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Re: Witchcraft [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5320655 - 02/20/06 04:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You also forgot to mention Crowley was a heavy heroin addict. LMAO!


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Re: Witchcraft [Re: FungusMan]
    #5321378 - 02/20/06 07:40 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Couldn't care less about his self-destruction (unless he was jacking old ladies for smack money). It's his legacy that has sucked in so many magickally-fascinated individuals that has caused harm. The only reasons I'm reading his autobiography is 1) to get residual fascination of his character out of my system (which seems to be working) and 2) Will Parfitt who wrote an awesome little book on Qabbalism, stated that 'whatever else one might think of Crowley, he was a knowledgable Qabbalist.'



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Re: Witchcraft [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5322826 - 02/21/06 02:27 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Magickly, I have to admit that he was an overachiever. I only recently got obsessed with him cuz of that damned Ozzy song, lol. I love the Cradle of Filth version more. But, like alot of great thinkers, he lead a shabby existence. Hell, Einstein was an addict. Now Im starting to feel a slight Edgar Cayce obsession coming on,lol. Back to reading....

Mr. Crowley, what went on in your head
(Oh) Mr. Crowley, did you talk to the dead
Your lifestyle to me seemed so tragic
With the thrill of it all
You fooled all the people with magic
(Yea)You waited on Satan's call

Mr. Charming, did you think you were pure
Mr. Alarming, in nocturnal rapport
Uncovering things that were sacred, manifest on this earth
(Ah)Conceived in the eye of a secret
Yeah, they scattered the afterbirth

Solo

Mr. Crowley, won't you ride my white horse?
Mr. Crowley, it's symbolic of course
Approaching a time that is classic
I hear that maidens call
Approaching a time that is drastic
Standing with their backs to the wall

Was it polemically sent
I wanna know what you meant
I wanna know
I wanna know what you meant, yeah!


Edited by FungusMan (02/21/06 03:01 AM)


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Re: Witchcraft [Re: FungusMan]
    #5325134 - 02/21/06 06:16 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Einstein was an addict to what, mathematics?


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Re: Witchcraft [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5326039 - 02/21/06 09:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Either opium or heroin, I cant remember.


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Re: Witchcraft [Re: FungusMan]
    #5326043 - 02/21/06 09:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I think you are mistaken.


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Re: Witchcraft [Re: koppie]
    #5330137 - 02/22/06 11:36 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Hey thanks Koppie, the sigil magic is definetly something easy to get started with... hehe. I made my first sigil today. This is sure to be a momentous occasion of my existence.


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Re: Witchcraft [Re: Druginduced]
    #5360806 - 03/03/06 06:59 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Many people conflate "witchcraft" with wicca. Wicca is a dualist religion in which "God" is replaced by "The God" and "The Goddesss". Not really all that different from mystical christianity. A significant number of folks who use the name witch are animists; they believe All Things are alive, aware and responsive. There is an unexamined bias in modern mysticism assuming that the most evolved perspective is unity with "The One". I think more important is awareness of "The Many".

As I've said to folks many times, it's all about relationships. Lots of practicing witches use shamanic tools to become more aware of relationships or potential relationships. I also lean heavily on Buddhism and the concept of "mutually dependant co-arising". Are you living your relationships with the human, nature and spirit realms in alignment with your values?

Isn't it interesting that many shroom users percieve something called an entelechy (sp?) which I've seen described as a multitude of beings who are also One. Like light being a particle and a wave Mystery is both and probably also something else we don't have the concepts to envision.

Sometimes magic is defined as "altering consciousness at will". I believe magic is "altering relationships with will".

I'm a big fan of the Reclaiming tradition of witchcraft and the intensive teaching camps local communities have around the world. Just too much fun! But not very focused on the dusty British Trads...


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Re: Witchcraft [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #5386909 - 03/10/06 06:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Yes they are different.
Satanist whorship satan. he is their leader
Atheist are non-whorhipers and non-believers of someother kind of force.
And to be true, a part of them can believe in a higher force, but they sustain they are atheists because no religon stisfies them and their beliefs and they can't still come in touch with the God they feel, another part of them are so because some rebelion, need to be different, and so on.




I'm very catholic on this "Stanism" is "Atheism" because it's logical conclusion can only be self-contradiction.


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"Arafel."
She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources.
"Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""


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Re: Witchcraft [Re: Tsinaglou]
    #5386974 - 03/10/06 06:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Tsinaglou said:
Many people conflate "witchcraft" with wicca. Wicca is a dualist religion in which "God" is replaced by "The God" and "The Goddesss". Not really all that different from mystical christianity. A significant number of folks who use the name witch are animists; they believe All Things are alive, aware and responsive. There is an unexamined bias in modern mysticism assuming that the most evolved perspective is unity with "The One". I think more important is awareness of "The Many".

As I've said to folks many times, it's all about relationships. Lots of practicing witches use shamanic tools to become more aware of relationships or potential relationships. I also lean heavily on Buddhism and the concept of "mutually dependant co-arising". Are you living your relationships with the human, nature and spirit realms in alignment with your values?

Isn't it interesting that many shroom users percieve something called an entelechy (sp?) which I've seen described as a multitude of beings who are also One. Like light being a particle and a wave Mystery is both and probably also something else we don't have the concepts to envision.

Sometimes magic is defined as "altering consciousness at will". I believe magic is "altering relationships with will".

I'm a big fan of the Reclaiming tradition of witchcraft and the intensive teaching camps local communities have around the world. Just too much fun! But not very focused on the dusty British Trads...




"Dusty British Trads"? Hmmpphhh....


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"Odrade read the word silently and then aloud.
"Arafel."
She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources.
"Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""


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Re: Witchcraft [Re: Silverwolf]
    #5386998 - 03/10/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I invite anyone interested in generally serious discussions of the occult to www.occultforums.com, where I am a mod. We have forums on wicca, ceremonial magick, satanism, chaos magick (the sigil stuff) and more.

And as a historical point AC was prescribed herion as a cure for asthma (as was a common practice in those days) and that was how he became addicted to it.


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