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Cradle of Filth
    #5309704 - 02/17/06 07:45 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

of you who know Cradle of Filth (the band), what are your opinions on the image they use (this underground satanism)? a friend of mine says they dont even deserve to take it as their image because they lack certain knowledge or whatever of satanism. but im saying hes lookin too deep into it.
(btw, no my friend is not a satanism or anything, he just takes this whole image usage by rock n roll artists to seriously...)

he says all these symbols and images they use they shouldnt because they dont even know the basics about them... he says they use these symbols on thier albums n posters n stuff and use them incorrectly. he says they are using them just too look cool and to make money and that if you use symbols you should use them for the correct reasons. i understand waht hes sayin, but he takes it too far... hes way to technical about it (just as he is with everything... lol).

like above, cradle of filth is like the most extreme satanic musicians i can think of (the most extreme satanics period), so how would them using satanic symbols be incorrect?? and cradle of filth doesnt exactly exploit itself, atleast not from what i know of...
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what do i say?? its like tellin some shroomered dude he cant use rainbows or buddahs in his artwork unless he has a phd in buddism and , i dont know, a phd in rainbow formation....

what would your response be??


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Re: Cradle of Filth [Re: eligal]
    #5309710 - 02/17/06 07:48 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

all they are doing is creating an image, it sells records and show, ,they got it right

if your buddy is all knowing about satanism maybe he should call the church of satan and tell them he's Anton Levey reincarnate


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Re: Cradle of Filth [Re: goobler]
    #5309715 - 02/17/06 07:50 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

my friend isnt saying he is all knowing about satanism, but he is saying that people shouldnt use symbols or icons for their own publicity unless they actually know something about it


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Re: Cradle of Filth [Re: eligal]
    #5309725 - 02/17/06 07:54 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

???

thats funny

so we all need to remove our avatars, etc.


symbols are interpretive....get your friend on here to explain some of the things he sees wrong , I am interested


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Re: Cradle of Filth [Re: goobler]
    #5309736 - 02/17/06 08:00 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

exactly, i cant seem to get to the bottom of his argument...

hmm, lets see,
the last thing he said was,
"they dont use the things they do out of intrest, respect or faithfulness, they just use it"

my reply,
"maybe they have a deep connection with that style
maybe that style has become their life, who they are"

him,
"authinticity has been lost with these symbol abusing peple"

me,
"is it abuse, or do they really feel connected with these symbols? maybe they have been influenced to where they want to spread the beliefs that they love.
everyone is influenced by someone or something."

him,
"how can they feel connected when the dont know what those symobls really are?"

me,
"dude... im sure they know what the symbols mean...."

and now im waiting on his reply


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Re: Cradle of Filth [Re: eligal]
    #5309750 - 02/17/06 08:13 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Corruption.

Look at Christianity. It's symbols have been abused, and that's part of the reason why Christians gain little respect from seculars. Any self-respecting "religious" person does not want that to happen to their own "religion". Human opinion is hard to reverse when it hits the mainstream.

Your friend feels like I do. We may not be Satanists, but we hate to see almost "sacred" beliefs corrupted into banal concepts. "Sacred", meaning they are very important to the one practicing those beliefs.

I'm not sure if CoF screws them up, but I know that Slipknot and a few other bands fuck the meanings up completely.


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Re: Cradle of Filth [Re: Darkcloud]
    #5309757 - 02/17/06 08:18 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

cradle of filth is much much different than slipknot. had he said slipknot or something, id understand, but cradle of filth is the purest of satanic followers ive heard of (except for that one guy that wrote his own satanic bible...)

he also complains about ozzy osbourne. now, ozzy is mainstream and not underground like cradle of filth, but ozzy was the one who made the first heavy metal. he started it all right?


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Re: Cradle of Filth [Re: eligal]
    #5309759 - 02/17/06 08:20 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

the thing is, he sees a band which he has no idea about, sees how they are dressed and their logos or whatever, and then says that they are posers and what not, without knowing anything about the band... he says they use the symbols and dont knwo what they mean. but how would he know what the band does and does not know??


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Re: Cradle of Filth [Re: eligal]
    #5309770 - 02/17/06 08:27 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

it continues:

him,
osburne calls himself Prince of Darkness, sure he might know that thats another name for the devil but do u think that blundering fool actuely knows the history, stories and purpose and placment of the devil?
knows anythign about, Judism, satanism, paganism, the bible, lucifer, satan, asmodues, baphomet, the goat of sin, beelzebub, astraoth or the roll snt.Micheal had?

me,
im sure he knows the general stuff about satanism and the bible stuff. but does he really need to be a proffessor in it?

him,
well yes if he wants to claim it as his style

me,
what..?? that doesnt make sense? if i like the image of buddah being a gentle and friendly guy and i turn hippy and start wearin dreads and smelling of incense, would i really have to go and study the whole history of buddism?

him,
only if u say ur buddist and use biddistic symoblos.
otherwise it just show u dont really care enough about the topic and are just using it

me,
but no, if i wanna follow the buddist religion i dont have to know the whole freakin history, jsut how it is used
him,
plus satanism isnt exactly like any other religion, its a much wider spectrum of beliefs and attitudes

him,
if u respect and care enough about it you should know these things willingly
and
thats no exscuse for ignorrence of the topic

me,
but what im saying with that is that its hard to be ignorant of the topic when the topic can be warped into your own beliefs...

him,
how can u claim to be satanic when u know nothing about it? using the symbols doesnt make u satanic

me,
who says they dont know anythign about it?!?!

him,
i do! i say most of these followwers dont know aht theyre talking baout!


so i get his general idea, and for alot of goth heads and metal heads its relevant, but he even imposes this on everyone from a genre of music. sure theres alot of kids who just follow and have no idea, but not everyone, especialyl the people hes mentioned
(btw, yea i know m replies sucked... but its 7:30 in the am and ive been up all night with my insomnia bullshitz...)


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Re: Cradle of Filth [Re: eligal]
    #5309803 - 02/17/06 08:50 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

eligal said:
exactly, i cant seem to get to the bottom of his argument...

hmm, lets see,
the last thing he said was,
"they dont use the things they do out of intrest, respect or faithfulness, they just use it"

my reply,
"maybe they have a deep connection with that style
maybe that style has become their life, who they are"

him,
"authinticity has been lost with these symbol abusing peple"

me,
"is it abuse, or do they really feel connected with these symbols? maybe they have been influenced to where they want to spread the beliefs that they love.
everyone is influenced by someone or something."

him,
"how can they feel connected when the dont know what those symobls really are?"

me,
"dude... im sure they know what the symbols mean...."

and now im waiting on his reply




hes a poser looking for an argument

tell him to detail some symbols SPECIFICALLY and their proper meaning and how he knows they are misusing them


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Re: Cradle of Filth [Re: goobler]
    #5309809 - 02/17/06 08:52 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

"him,
osburne calls himself Prince of Darkness, sure he might know that thats another name for the devil but do u think that blundering fool actuely knows the history, stories and purpose and placment of the devil?
knows anythign about, Judism, satanism, paganism, the bible, lucifer, satan, asmodues, baphomet, the goat of sin, beelzebub, astraoth or the roll snt.Micheal had?"


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Re: Cradle of Filth [Re: eligal]
    #5309812 - 02/17/06 08:53 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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eligal said:
cradle of filth is much much different than slipknot. had he said slipknot or something, id understand, but cradle of filth is the purest of satanic followers ive heard of (except for that one guy that wrote his own satanic bible...)

he also complains about ozzy osbourne. now, ozzy is mainstream and not underground like cradle of filth, but ozzy was the one who made the first heavy metal. he started it all right?




WOAH!

CoF are not satanists, they are shock rockers

Ozzy, 1st heavy metal??? no, if you mean Black Sabbath, perhaps some thing so....

they just call Ozzy the father of metal...because he's been around so long


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Re: Cradle of Filth [Re: goobler]
    #5309819 - 02/17/06 08:56 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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goobler said:
Quote:

eligal said:
cradle of filth is much much different than slipknot. had he said slipknot or something, id understand, but cradle of filth is the purest of satanic followers ive heard of (except for that one guy that wrote his own satanic bible...)

he also complains about ozzy osbourne. now, ozzy is mainstream and not underground like cradle of filth, but ozzy was the one who made the first heavy metal. he started it all right?




WOAH!

CoF are not satanists, they are shock rockers

Ozzy, 1st heavy metal??? no, if you mean Black Sabbath, perhaps some thing so....

they just call Ozzy the father of metal...because he's been around so long




i would definately categorize cof as satanist.
and ozzy was the very first while he was in black sabbath (its in the history of metal book/bible thingy)


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Re: Cradle of Filth [Re: eligal]
    #5309877 - 02/17/06 09:36 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I don't think COF would even consider themselves satanists, they just ripped off Norwegian Black metal band such as Emperor and to a lesser extent Mayhem, Burzum etc. None of these bands consider themselves Satanists they are more about the old Nordic religions. The only metal band that are actual satanists are Ackercocke.


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Re: Cradle of Filth [Re: eligal]
    #5310062 - 02/17/06 10:59 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

ive read an interview with Danni. I used to be real big on them. He isnt satanic, he dwells in chaos magic, and he did revleal that he places his own hexes on peoples.

He is a really great writter thats why Cradle deserves the attention. His lyrics blow me away, alot of the old ones at least. Some of the new ones.

As for the satanic look, I think alot of it is just his hate of religion and a metal trend.

Black Dahlia Murder used to be kinda like that, but their new cd kicks way ass. they put away alot of that gothic satanic crap and came on with drugs, booz, sex, and there is still some mention of religion.


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Re: Cradle of Filth [Re: eligal]
    #5310095 - 02/17/06 11:15 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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eligal said:

like above, cradle of filth is like the most extreme satanic musicians i can think of (the most extreme satanics period),  :confused:

what would your response be??




If you think cradle of filth is bad look into, anal cunt, anal blast, dark funeral, vaginal vampire, vital remains, decapitated cattle, mortitian, aborted, bloodbath, or dying fetus .... they are all 10x more hardcore then cradle of filth,,,,,

I think cradle are a bunch of poser pussies,,, fuckin guy sounds like his balls are in a jar somewhere


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Re: Cradle of Filth [Re: benrules92]
    #5310156 - 02/17/06 11:37 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Cradle Of Filth is the most extreme satanic music you've heard ? Maye you just don't listen to metal :confused:

Theres Testament - Deicide - Kreator - Cannibal Corpse...

The thing with cradle using those symbols is that they use them to shock people and seem like bad-ass satan worshipers.

OTHER BANDS use them because they sing about how much Christianity sucks - OR they actually worship satan - DEATH comes to mind...

What I'm trying to say is that other bands use them along with their lyrics and have them for reasons - according to the religion they are signing about or bashing..

Difference,
Cradle = Shock Value
Other Bands = Know what they are talking about - Hence use the symbols.

I guess I just said what your friend was trying to - But in a more descriptive way? :smile:

Am I getting through to you here?


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Re: Cradle of Filth [Re: TheDudeAbides]
    #5310233 - 02/17/06 12:07 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

damn you bastards....


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Re: Cradle of Filth [Re: eligal]
    #5310251 - 02/17/06 12:15 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Who even cares. I like CoF, not because they are shock, but just because as a musician, I dont understand how the hell they do that for hours at that blurring fucking speed, lol. And whoever said they were "underground", is hilarious. They definately arent "underground", they are just European,lol. And if your friend thinks CoF is bad, Hook him up with Dimmu Borgir.


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Re: Cradle of Filth [Re: eligal]
    #5310258 - 02/17/06 12:17 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Satanic imagery is nothing new to rock, and certainly not new to metal. Your friend needs to chill. It's part of an image. That's the way metal is supposed to be.


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