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Smoking Dust, Taking Pills [CT]
    #5309219 - 02/16/06 11:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Ecstasy is still hot around here, says the Institute for Community Research on the eve of the release of its study on club drugs
February 16, 2006 - hartfordadvocate.com/

According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse, the use of MDMA, the club drug popularly known as Ecstasy, is down nationwide. However, researchers at the Hartford-based information-gathering organization the Institute for Community Research (ICR) say that around here, people are are still popping those pills.

?Ecstasy use has remained steady in the Hartford area,? says project director Raul Pino.

ICR has been monitoring Ecstasy use here since 2001. While some of the information collected by ICR is taken from academic papers, government sources and media reports, a large part of the study was conducted in the streets. ICR researchers went into the field and talked with Hartford-area residents about drugs. It wasn?t the sort of study you can conduct with a clipboard.

?We went to social settings where people get together,? Rey Bermudez, one of the researchers, said. That meant clubs and parties, places where people in the age group the study was targeting -- 16 to 30 -- gather and use club drugs.

?When you?re doing observations, you don?t want to intrude on people?s behavior,? ICR community researcher Orlando Velazco added.

The people they spoke with knew they were taking part in a study.

?We made it clear to people that they were being observed,? said Bermudez. ?I got in there with connections I had on a personal and professional level.?

The study didn?t explore demographics; I was told ICR was wary of profiling people (though a staff member told me the majority of the people interviewed were Hispanic males.

?The population is very specific. We have a lot of factors in Hartford that other cities don?t have,? Velazco said.

Hartford Police public information officer Nancy Mulroy said Ecstasy arrests are low in the city, indicating that Ecstasy use may be more prevalent with suburban kids.

?Once in a while, intermittently, we?ll do a drug sting and we?ll bring in some Ecstasy,? Mulroy said. ?But the preponderance of the drugs seized [in Hartford] are heroin, cocaine and marijuana.?

I CR has been tracking Ecstasy since soon after it began to gain popularity in the Hartford area in the late 1990s. Late into the study, a drug relatively unique to the region began being noticed.

Dust, an offspring of PCP or Angel Dust popular in the 1970s, is a new concern.

?What we didn?t see until recently was that Dust had become a much bigger problem,? ICR senior scientist and founding director Jean J. Schensul said.

Often considered a relic from the ?70s or the substance abuse equivalent of an urban legend, Schensul said Dust is popular locally. ?PCP dropped nationally, but it?s still popular in areas. You don?t find it everywhere. It?s in New Jersey, Texas, Philadelphia and here.?

But the dust used today isn?t the same PCP -- or Angel Dust -- that scared the Bejesus out of America in the ?70s. The modern version is composed mostly of embalming fluid -- a mixture of formaldehyde, methanol, ethanol and other chemicals. It sometimes contains Phencyclidine (PCP), but dust?s effects are reportedly closer to Ketamine. The term ?getting stuck? refers to the immobilizing effect of the drug, a corollary to the ?K-hole? described by users of ketamine.

Considering PCP?s reputation, its popularity is vexing. Velazco suggests that the myriad nicknames for Dust confuses people. The drug?s nicknames include ?heemee,? ?tical,? ?illy? and ?wet? -- it?s also called Matrix because the sensation of moving in slow motion reminds users of the Keanu Reeves movie.

Because Dust is typically liquid, users dip cigarettes or joints into it. In theory, an unsuspecting user could be passed a joint or a cigarette dipped in Dust, and smoke it without realizing they are ingesting anything besides tobacco or marijuana.

?If you use one or more drugs, chances are you use Dust, ? Velazco said.

ICR presents ?Rollin? and Dustin? in Hartford,? an animated, interactive presentation of the study?s findings, in the Jean J. Schensul Community Gallery at the Institute for Community Research, 2 Hartford Square West, Ste. 100, Hartford, on Thursday, Feb. 16, from 5 p.m. to 8 p.m. The exhibit is open until March 27.


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Re: Smoking Dust, Taking Pills [CT] [Re: veggie]
    #5309260 - 02/16/06 11:49 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

?If you use one or more drugs, chances are you use Dust, ? Velazco said



dont you jsut love wild assumptions, taken as fact?


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Re: Smoking Dust, Taking Pills [CT] [Re: veggie]
    #5309282 - 02/16/06 11:56 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

The modern version is composed mostly of embalming fluid -- a mixture of formaldehyde, methanol, ethanol and other chemicals.

?If you use one or more drugs, chances are you use Dust, ? Velazco said.

(scratches head?)


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Re: Smoking Dust, Taking Pills [CT] [Re: veggie]
    #5309364 - 02/17/06 12:41 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

you just don't know it because it was dipped and you thought it was normal :shocked:

all the marijuana is laced with pcp and crystal meth!


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Re: Smoking Dust, Taking Pills [CT] [Re: Wysefool]
    #5309574 - 02/17/06 05:51 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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But the dust used today isn?t the same PCP -- or Angel Dust -- that scared the Bejesus out of America in the ?70s. The modern version is composed mostly of embalming fluid -- a mixture of formaldehyde, methanol, ethanol and other chemicals.



Bullshit!!! I call shenanigans.
This guy doesn't know what he's talking about.


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Re: Smoking Dust, Taking Pills [CT] [Re: Ekstaza]
    #5309940 - 02/17/06 10:02 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Because Dust is typically liquid, users dip cigarettes or joints into it. In theory, an unsuspecting user could be passed a joint or a cigarette dipped in Dust, and smoke it without realizing they are ingesting anything besides tobacco or marijuana.




Thats utter SHIT. Anyone who has smoke or just been NEAR someone smoking wet knows the smell IMMEDIATELY. Wet was mega popular in the dance scene during the late 90's, you could be dancing in one area and move to the next and BAM you'd hit this literal wall of stench of wet smoke. Hell, you can fucking taste the difference, if you get a laced anything with wet you'll know you're smoking it.


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Re: Smoking Dust, Taking Pills [CT] [Re: coda]
    #6979470 - 05/28/07 08:55 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

OK assholes...

First off - yes, I am the guy who is quoted in the article posted. And yes, this thread is old, but I have to clear this shit up for y'all.

I was taken out of context, and just like the simple-minded morons you are, you simply take what you read as truth, and come to a conclusion instead of asking the person who said it to clarify. If you have any further questions, you can contact me directly at en.la.sangre@gmail.com.

Firstly, the panels being described are clearly labeled on the bottom of the page as being a presentation about Hartford. It is also mentioned that we're Hartford based. Hartford. Not Cleveland. Not New York. Not yo mama. This wasn't a national study, it was a local one.

Secondly, as you can plainly read, we began the study in 2001, and the way I'm quoted is more about the beginnings of the study. As I was reading it, I was talking to my friend sitting next to me that that entire drug and party scene had shifted from the clubs to the streets (i.e., hotel parties, home parties, etc), and that the information was outdated. Then I get to read all y'all inane replies.

All I have to say is that you guys are all retarded. Whenever I get a chance to ask someone to clarify themselves, I take it. It's OK to question it, but instead of just saying: "Oh, this guy doesn't know what he's talking about...", you fucking ask. It's also plain to find where I work...a simple Google search would have sufficed.

PS-Yes, I am an angry individual. But I know what I do at my job, and trust me, I still do it well. You want more information, I will personally give you a private viewing of the panels if you live anywhere near the Hartford area, and then if you have any questions, I would be more than glad to address them. My email is above.


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Re: Smoking Dust, Taking Pills [CT] [Re: OrlandoVelazco]
    #6980370 - 05/28/07 11:55 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

:rolleyes:

Yes I'm sure the majority of polydrug users in Hartford were using embalming fluid and that it is very pharmacologically similar to the dissociative anesthetics....
DERP.


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Re: Smoking Dust, Taking Pills [CT] [Re: OrlandoVelazco]
    #6980753 - 05/29/07 03:43 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Nice puppet.
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erowid: Embalming Fluid:
There appears to be a current trend of the use of substances known alternately by the slang names 'embalming fluid', 'fry', 'formaldehyde', 'wet', 'water', or 'amp'. These are sold in a variety of forms including cannabis joints or regular cigarettes dipped in liquid and cannabis leaf or tea leaves dipped in liquid. In all of these forms, the material is then smoked. Despite the variety of names, there is good reason to believe that these are all various preparations containing PCP.

In most instances PCP is not mentioned when the substance is sold or discussed. In fact, there are constantly re-circulating rumors that substances being sold by these names do not contain PCP, but are instead actually the fluid (formaldehyde) used for embalming as would be used in a mortuary. But there is evidence to support that this is primarily a case of confused slang terms. 'Embalming Fluid' is a common street slang term for PCP and has been for many years. PCP can come in liquid form, so the term 'fluid' is fitting. It is entirely possible (actually quite likely) that the confusion between PCP and embalming fluid (formaldehyde) has gone so far as to cause a new trend where PCP is actually mixed with formaldehye (or other 'embalming fluids') and used as a recreational psychoactive. But there is little evidence that the formaldehyde itself causes any pleasant or desirable effects.

Embalming fluid, as used in a mortuary, is traditionally made from formaldehyde. It does not contain PCP. Formaldehyde and PCP are completely different chemicals, which are not related. Formaldehyde is a known carcinogen linked to nasal and lung cancer, and with possible links to brain cancer and leukemia and should not be smoked.




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Re: Smoking Dust, Taking Pills [CT] [Re: OrlandoVelazco]
    #6980999 - 05/29/07 07:24 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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OrlandoVelazco said:
OK assholes...

First off -


Firstly

Secondly

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nice structure :lol:


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Re: Smoking Dust, Taking Pills [CT] [Re: OrlandoVelazco]
    #6981003 - 05/29/07 07:25 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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OrlandoVelazco said:
OK assholes...

First off - yes, I am the FOOL who is quoted in the article posted. .




There ya go, fixed that for you. :wink:


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Re: Smoking Dust, Taking Pills [CT] [Re: OrlandoVelazco]
    #6981040 - 05/29/07 07:50 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

> All I have to say is that you guys are all retarded.

Thank you for generalizing me.  I appreciate it.  With such a display of maturity, I am very surprised that you have the education required to perform academic/medical based research.

> But I know what I do at my job, and trust me, I still do it well.

Perhaps, but statements such as:

"OK assholes..."
"I have to clear this shit up for y'all"
"just like the simple-minded morons you are"
"Not yo mama"
"Then I get to read all y'all inane replies"
"you guys are all retarded"
"you fucking ask"

... show the thinking of a childish mind.  Perhaps you are angry, but that is no reason to lower yourself.

Putting it into words that you can understand:

I read y'alls comments after the original post and the fuckers that replied to yer shit were all correct up to the point of y'alls fucking reply.  Ya know, asshole?  I'm down with the shit, and 'embalming fluid' is a slang term for PCP, nothing more, y'all understand?  Fuckin retards.

Hope that helped clear things up.  :rolleyes:


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Re: Smoking Dust, Taking Pills [CT] [Re: Seuss]
    #6981053 - 05/29/07 08:01 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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Seuss said:


Putting it into words that you can understand:

I read y'alls comments after the original post and the fuckers that replied to yer shit were all correct up to the point of y'alls fucking reply.  Ya know, asshole?  I'm down with the shit, and 'embalming fluid' is a slang term for PCP, nothing more, y'all understand?  Fuckin retards.

Hope that helped clear things up.  :rolleyes:




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Re: Smoking Dust, Taking Pills [CT] [Re: OrlandoVelazco]
    #6981445 - 05/29/07 10:37 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

sorry buddy, i've lived in hartford for 4 years and i've never smoked dust, and i am a daily pot smoker. only have 2 friends who have ever smoked that in the hartford area, and they both knew what they were smoking.


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Re: Smoking Dust, Taking Pills [CT] [Re: Seuss]
    #6981498 - 05/29/07 10:59 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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Seuss said:
Putting it into words that you can understand:

I read y'alls comments after the original post and the fuckers that replied to yer shit were all correct up to the point of y'alls fucking reply.  Ya know, asshole?  I'm down with the shit, and 'embalming fluid' is a slang term for PCP, nothing more, y'all understand?  Fuckin retards.

Hope that helped clear things up.  :rolleyes:




Once again, you are my hero :lol:


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Re: Smoking Dust, Taking Pills [CT] [Re: dedjam]
    #6993839 - 05/31/07 10:36 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

> But the dust used today isn't the same PCP that scared the Bejesus out of America in the 70s.

I hope not. That shit would be way expired.

> The modern version is composed mostly of embalming fluid

No, not really. Formaldehyde dipping has been around as long as PCP. It's just an urban legend except for the few times that people have read this utter bullshit and have been stupid enough to try it or the few degenerates that will use anything no matter how unpleasant the effects.

> Considering PCP's reputation, its popularity is vexing.

Really? It has a bad reputation and it isn't very popular. What's so hard to understand about that?

> Velazco suggests that the myriad nicknames for Dust confuses people.

I suggest that Velazco is the one who is confused. It's sad how uneducated today's so-called "drug researchers" are.

> In theory, an unsuspecting user could be passed a joint or a cigarette dipped in Dust, and smoke it without realizing they are ingesting anything besides tobacco or marijuana.

Wow Velazco! Did you steal that crap directly from "Reefer Madness" or are you pretending that you "discovered" this yourself. Perhaps you should actually think your "theories" through before you try to pass them off as fact.

Anyone who has ever used or smelled these substances would know that there is no chance of one being passed off as another. Nobody is going to mistake weed for tobacco, or dusted weed for straight weed, and they sure as hell aren't going to think anything dipped in formaldehyde is normal.

> "If you use one or more drugs, chances are you use Dust," Velazco said.

Taken out of context or not this statement shows such a poor understanding of drug usage and statistics that nothing from this guy's mouth should ever be believed again.

Also where the hell do you get off first redefining a slang term from it's normal meaning and then using it yourself ambiguously? Did they teach you a little too much ebonics in school?

> "Oh, this guy doesn't know what he's talking about...", you fucking ask.

Ok, then explain yourself. Just because your statements were out of context they are still wrong and flat out foolish.

But I don't think you'll post here again. The first time you're confronted by people who know what they're talking about you are immediately exposed as a fool. So now you'll turn tail and run but continue to spout your foolishness off to people who don't have a clue. It's a lot easier to sound smart when the people you're talking to don't have a clue.


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