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PF Cake and Poo Questions
    #5308808 - 02/16/06 09:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Hey everyone I just completed my first shroom grow using Ecuador PF Cakes I started 5 of them and all 5 were harvested yesterday. It only took 1 month exactly from innoc to harvest. I got about 10 grams dry off the first flush. Not very good I know but that was without dunking them or double end casing so Im sure that will improve the yield on the next flush since they were way too dry. Ill post some pics of them at the bottom of the post on is of the biggest cake the other is a smaller on with less water Im guessing but first I need some questions answered. Ok ive got perlite for humidity at the bottom of my fc how much water do I need at the bottom does it need to be saturated or can there be a small pool of water at the bottom too. Also how many cakes would it take to spawn to 10 lbs of horse poo. And how much coco coir and verm as a casing layer would I need to use ontop of the the horse poo. Also I have 3 cakes that are colinizing right now one is about 100% and the other 2 are 50-70% and look stalled its been about 21 days since innoc so there taking a long time to colinize is this becuase I packed the substrate to much? I took my first spore print and it looks a bit faint I think it should be darker is this because it was a small cap and do you think I will be able to fill a 10cc syringe with that many spores? Also from now on should I dunk and double end case my cakes right after birth or only on the second flush? I thought the potency was a little weak on these shrooms because I ate a 1/8 and tripped but not as hard as other 1/8's ive bought before is there something I did wrong like humidity wise or was it just cuz it was short on water. Well thats all the questions I got for now heres the pics of two cakes.







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Re: PF Cake and Poo Questions [Re: Radiant]
    #5308835 - 02/16/06 09:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

1.25 cakes per pound of poo.
Thus 8 cakes for 10lbs.

Just make sure you dunked and strained your perlite....no need to leave it sitting in water. Give the cakes a couple of mists a day and it should be good enough to maintain the RH.

The casing layer should be about three quarters of an inch thick. For recommended ratios check out the different coco-coir teks.

Dunk cakes after each flush, but ONLY roll them the first time.

A good print can yield 10+or- syringes. So I am sure a faint sprint will be fine for a single syringe.

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Re: PF Cake and Poo Questions [Re: Radiant]
    #5308853 - 02/16/06 09:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

A spawn ratio of 1:5 to hpoo is optimal

You can use more spawn but not less.  :thumbup:


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Re: PF Cake and Poo Questions [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5308865 - 02/16/06 09:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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A spawn ratio of 1:5 to hpoo is optimal

You can use more spawn but not less.  :thumbup:




Maybe you can't use less.... but I can :grin:


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Re: PF Cake and Poo Questions [Re: Bamaman]
    #5308882 - 02/16/06 09:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah I did not elaborate on it, did not mean that is was not possible.

But such a low spawn rate (though I don't know what that would be) can mean an increased incubation time, and the risk of contaminates is greater then a faster spawn run.....


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Re: PF Cake and Poo Questions [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5309031 - 02/16/06 10:25 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks guys so how do I do I do the verm roll on the cakes that Im going to be birthing soon. How many grams did u get on those cakes in your signature bamaman? Also what kind of a casing layer do I put ontop of the hpoo and does anyone know were I can get a cheap rh meter. And does anyone know why those 2 cakes I have going are stalled like 50% through. There still growing I think but its slow so is this from packin it to much or not enough water?


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Re: PF Cake and Poo Questions [Re: Radiant]
    #5309047 - 02/16/06 10:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

For a casing layer the 50/50 is the easiest, no Ph buffer needed.

But peat is the way to go 50/50 Coco Coir versus 50/50 Peat Moss

Casing Mix 101

And of course Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy.


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Re: PF Cake and Poo Questions [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5309074 - 02/16/06 10:41 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

thanks for those links snaggletooth I havent seen those yet and would you happen to know why the 2 cakes ive got in my incubator are slowing down colinzation?


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Re: PF Cake and Poo Questions [Re: Bamaman]
    #5309098 - 02/16/06 10:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Give the cakes a couple of mists a day and it should be good enough to maintain the RH.






Do you mean, mist the cakes directly?

I've heard to mist the sides as well. But, I've also heard to mist the cakes. I was just wondering what you did.


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Re: PF Cake and Poo Questions [Re: Radiant]
    #5309114 - 02/16/06 10:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well I think it's like you said, the jars I have had slow where either to moist not moist enough or I had packed to much in.

There is not much you can do but to wait it out. Too dry you could add moister but I don't recommend it. To wet you could pore some out, but again your risking contamines.

Though I assume you have a filter for gas exchange?


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Re: PF Cake and Poo Questions [Re: Radiant]
    #5309148 - 02/16/06 11:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

For spite?

haha, no just kidding.

I don't know the statistics of your incubabtion times, but if they are slowing. a) flip the jars upside-down....forces CO2 out and b) fan the incubation chamber once a day....


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Re: PF Cake and Poo Questions [Re: tokey666]
    #5309396 - 02/17/06 01:16 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

ok thanks for the suggestions and yes Im using tyvek for the gas filter snaggletooth. The thing thats kinda weird about it though is I used a different spore syringe with less spores so this could also be why im seeing alot slower times this time around.


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