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Hypercube
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In theory...
#5306690 - 02/16/06 12:24 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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...a casing WOULD fruit if it was in an FC with 80% rh @ 70 degrees for two weeks, right?
RiGHt?!?! 
Or is it THAT BAD that the FC isn't optimal? My casing is verm and it seems as if the mycelium that actually popped out of it is starting to die away (i.e. from fluffy -> faint) This is pretty much just an experiment casing, my bulk wbs -> compost megatub op starts TODAY 
Thx tho for opinions of how far away you can stray from optimal and still get fruits.
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Re: In theory... [Re: Hypercube]
#5306706 - 02/16/06 12:26 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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you can stray pretty far on accident but i think those parameters sound pretty good. especially for a casing.good luck
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tiny_rabid_birds
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It should pin any time now. Fan the shit out of that casing. 6 times a day if you can manage it.
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hyphae
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They will fruit but it is totally relevant to optimum parameters. In otherwords the farther away from optimum the less optimum the results either in time or yield. There is a point which does vary slightly where spores will not germinate and cultures will stall. GL
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Re: In theory... [Re: hyphae]
#5307272 - 02/16/06 02:28 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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When waiting for fruits gets to you, then buy more jars and cook up more WBS in your spare time. Then one day you will be like "Shit, I got lots of casings I need to do" Then you'll be like "Damn, I need a bigger FC" ... Then eventually you'll be like "Damn, I need a dehydrator" and eventually you have pounds of cubes and get paranoid and dis assemble your gro-op and bury your vaccum sealed boomers in the woods in various places.
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Re: In theory... [Re: Fraggin]
#5307330 - 02/16/06 02:40 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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What if you run out of cash before it develops that far?
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neglect... sometimes mushrooms thrive on varying conditions
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Re: In theory... [Re: Fraggin]
#5307638 - 02/16/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Fraggin said: When waiting for fruits gets to you, then buy more jars and cook up more WBS in your spare time. Then one day you will be like "Shit, I got lots of casings I need to do" Then you'll be like "Damn, I need a bigger FC" ... Then eventually you'll be like "Damn, I need a dehydrator" and eventually you have pounds of cubes and get paranoid and dis assemble your gro-op and bury your vaccum sealed boomers in the woods in various places.
haha ive heard it all before
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Re: In theory... [Re: LochRaven]
#5307992 - 02/16/06 05:45 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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sounds efficient , no doubt.
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hyphae
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oatman2000 said: neglect... sometimes mushrooms thrive on varying conditions
Ya know shrooms are funny that way, they like structure and stability they really aren't fond of change except where senescing is concerned. Like everything else when conditions are right they will thrive!
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Hypercube
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Re: In theory... [Re: hyphae]
#5310302 - 02/17/06 12:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Meh, I think the casing is fucked....1 quart wbs, 2 weeks, no pins = waste of my time.
I just did up 20 litres of compost with BRA and KC, I've got 40 more pounds of *free* compost to spawn up, I'll let y'all know how it works. Preferably with optimal parameters, this time
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Re: In theory... [Re: Hypercube]
#5310312 - 02/17/06 12:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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have you tried raising the humidity?
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Re: In theory... [Re: coda]
#5310879 - 02/17/06 03:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ya sounds like you just need to raise the RH and maybe mist a little until the casing layer just glistens then just relay on your higher RH until pins are set. I see your missing the most important aspect of this hobby....Patience. Are you seeing myc on the surface? Nice thing with pins are they come all of a sudden then you'll notice more and more! It's like total magic bro! SWEET!!!! I alway think wow did I miss them or what they're everywhere!!!!
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Re: In theory... [Re: Fraggin]
#5310902 - 02/17/06 03:59 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hypercube
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Re: In theory... [Re: coda]
#5310906 - 02/17/06 04:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've got perlite on the bottom and an air pump feeding into 2 cups of water in the chamber. I think it's so dry because I'm using a space heater to heat it (room temp 60...I know...) and the dry as hell air (20% rh) coming from the heater is somehow sucking the humidity out of the chamber.
To jack my own thread, I'd like to ask if it's ok to place a sub heater on a bed of perlite, submerged by water. Sorta like: ------------------------ <-- above water perlite, with casings on top ------------------------ <-- water level, still perlite ~~~~~~~~~~~~ <-- sub heater, with perlite underneath _______________ <-- bottom of tub, bubble walls attached
Sorta like a PMP, but I need the heater cuz the house is so cold. Any problems with this?
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Hypercube
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Re: In theory... [Re: Hypercube]
#5310913 - 02/17/06 04:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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haha.
yeah, i'm seeing myc....as i said though it looks like it's dying out....becoming faint and matted to the verm. perhaps patience can wait another day.
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hyphae
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Re: In theory... [Re: Hypercube]
#5311411 - 02/17/06 06:03 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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You'd be much better off with two bubble wands under that perlite with water at half the depth or slightly more like your diagram. And an aquarium heater will create localized heat (not good). You may have to construct a TiT of sorts or buy yourself a seedling mat with temp probe/thermostat.
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Hypercube
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Re: In theory... [Re: hyphae]
#5312217 - 02/17/06 10:19 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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hyphae said: You'd be much better off with two bubble wands under that perlite with water at half the depth or slightly more like your diagram. And an aquarium heater will create localized heat (not good). You may have to construct a TiT of sorts or buy yourself a seedling mat with temp probe/thermostat.
Sorry, I'm confused. Are you saying I shouldn't place the bubble wands on the bottom of the tub, but rather closer to the surface of the water? I'm aware that a sub heater will localize the heat source, but so would a heat bomb, and I'm assuming the bubbling air will circulate the water around more effectively. I just need it to maintain a constant 74, and the FC itself will be insulated from the cold room slightly.
Hah, guess I should've turned this into another thread, eh?
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hyphae
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Re: In theory... [Re: Hypercube]
#5313009 - 02/18/06 09:58 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Put the wands on the bottom and your heater, you'll have to run the perlite deeper for best results and you'll want plenty of water around that heater, and still be at half the depth of the perlite or slightly more. It wouldn't hurt to raise your cakes/casings off the perlite slightly also. GL and sorry for the confusion.
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