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wwonka
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A few questions
#5306271 - 02/16/06 10:33 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I am interested in trying a low cost grow before I dedicate a lot of money to a grow. Because of this I have been reading as many teks as I could and I have a few questions.
1. Have any of you used the "Easy Mycelium Tek" http://www.shroomery.org/index.php/par/8003 With any success? a. Is the wax paper held down with anything, or are you praying dt doesn't fall off. b. Do you still use the tek of placing the rubber edge up? 2. With the "Poor Man's Domed Terrarium with a Twist" http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Pictures&Number=1323317 a. I noted that Roadkill had placed his on top of a TV and Moniter, I was wondering if that was to maintain heat and humidity or if tucked away in a closet would work as well. b. MeneerCactus used a filter, was that a necessary component. It seemed the PMDT worked without it. Would not getting one substantially lower my chances of a successful grow?
That's it for now, thanks for all of your aide everyone.
-edited links to work-
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Edited by wwonka (02/16/06 10:58 AM)
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tiny_rabid_birds
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Re: A few questions [Re: wwonka]
#5306323 - 02/16/06 10:48 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Those links are both the same, both leading to poor man's dome. But the easy mycelium tek is basically just making Liquid Cultures [LC], which are good for inocculation, but there's no way you can get enough mycelium to get decent trips. Plus, it's just so easy to inject that mycelium into a substrate and fruit that and actually have mushrooms.
If you have a pressure cooker [PC] already, then I'd advise you do small individual casings with wild bird seed [WBS].
If you don't, then PF cakes will probably be the cheapest way for you to go, since you can get away with just steam sterilizing cakes with decent success.
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wwonka
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My intention was to possibly inoculate with the easy myc tek and transfer to the poor mans dome for fruiting.
I don't have a pressure cooker, would it be possible to use the same tek for the easy myc with birdseed?
The PF Tek says to steam clean with proffesional grade masking tape. If none of this is available would it be a viable substitution to poke the holes in afterwards, thus steaming the jars without holes?
Sorry to keep asking, but im gonna get this stuff down pat hopefully before i give it a shot.
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thenewguy05
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Re: A few questions [Re: wwonka]
#5306474 - 02/16/06 11:26 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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that would creat a vacume inturn, sucking in air as soon as you poked holes in the lid.
just boil the jars and cover the lids with tin foil to prvent additional water getting in the jars.
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Re: A few questions [Re: wwonka]
#5306475 - 02/16/06 11:27 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Don't be sorry for asking quesitons. It's how you learn. Okay, well one, you can't really do birdseed without a PC. Technically you could do fractional sterilization, but that's still iffy.
So far as PF cakes go, if you put a layer of pure vermiculite over top of your substrate at the top of the jar, then you don't have to worry about tape. That layer of pure vermiculite will act as your filter. Do not poke holes afterwards, always do it before, simply because when you poke hte holes afterwards, the tool you use to poke the hole will introduce possible contams to the jar. You need the holes when steaming anyways, or else you'd get major pressure build up and glass breakage.
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wwonka
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Re: A few questions [Re: wwonka]
#5306570 - 02/16/06 11:56 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Okay thanks guys, you answered a few major questions. Every day I'm a little closer to having the confidence necessary to put this stuff in action.
-Wonka
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wwonka
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Re: A few questions [Re: wwonka]
#5306630 - 02/16/06 12:13 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I was just reading a growlog, and the grower commented on "dunking and rolling" his cakes before adding them to the fruiting chamber. I looked back over the PF tek and don't recall any such procedure.
Could someone explain it to me, breifly?
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Re: A few questions [Re: wwonka]
#5306757 - 02/16/06 12:36 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Once your cakes look fully colonized on the outside, you let them sit in the incubator for another 4 days or so, to make sure they're colonized all the way through (this has nothing to do w/ dunk'n'roll, but it's good advice to follow anyways)
Then you basically submerged your cake in bottled/distilled water. You can do this by taking it out of the jar and putting in some other container like a ziploc bag or whatever. Or you can just give the jar one good rap on the counter, upside down so you hit with the lid, to loosen the myc from the jar walls, then slowly add water to the jar till the cake rises like halfway out. Then put the lid back on. It's fine if some of that water flows out when you put the lid back on, it'll still be fully submerged. At this point you just set the cake somewhere dark (some people like to put it in the fridge to cold shock it, but the effects are debatable) for 12-24 hours. At the end of that time, you take the cake out and roll it in some fresh/sterile dry vermiculite. Sometimes the vermiculite will stick better to the cake if you give the verm a really light spritz w/ your spray bottle. That's it.
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