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Fospher
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Pain and altered states of consciousness
#5305984 - 02/16/06 09:01 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Most people cant stand pain. I like it, I see it as a natural part of life. Pain drives us to do things, complacency robs us of our motivation. When we are in pain, we are learning.
If you're not in pain when you work out for example, when your muscles dont ache, you dont grow. No pain, no gain right?
If you just want to get some chips and browse the shroomery, but instead push yourself to study or read even though you're tired, you feel a sense of self-fulfilment and learn.
We cant change by always being the same.
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dblaney
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Re: Pain and altered states of consciousness [Re: Fospher]
#5306108 - 02/16/06 09:44 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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We cant change by always being the same.
Clearly. But are you arguing that change is not only a good thing, but essential to mankind?
-------------------- "What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?" "Belief is a beautiful armor But makes for the heaviest sword" - John Mayer Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin. "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
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Bobnasty
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Re: Pain and altered states of consciousness [Re: dblaney]
#5306115 - 02/16/06 09:46 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I also love pain
It's a wonderful thing
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fireworks_god
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Re: Pain and altered states of consciousness [Re: dblaney]
#5306127 - 02/16/06 09:51 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
dblaney said: Clearly. But are you arguing that change is not only a good thing, but essential to mankind?
Essential in so much as that it is undeniably constant.
 Peace.
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dblaney
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Re: Pain and altered states of consciousness [Re: fireworks_god]
#5306153 - 02/16/06 10:02 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Indeed. My phrasing was poor, I meant change in the vein of progress or change as in advancing forward. Progress is not essential to human society, and in fact over the course of human history very little progress has been made. We have had technological achievements, such as creating fire, the wheel, computers, space travel, etc. But these are not, as many seem to conceive them as, means to some ultimate end.
They may function to achieve an immediate goal, such as using a computer to discover a cure or treatment for cancer, but there is no such thing as an ultimate goal.
You could argue that immortality would be an ultimate goal, or to know everything possible would be an ultimate goal, but I say that these are illusory. A desire for immortality is based on excessive attachment and worship to what is called Life. And the desire for total knowledge is based on excessive attachment to rationality and well, knowledge.
So yeah, just to clarify my above post.
-------------------- "What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?" "Belief is a beautiful armor But makes for the heaviest sword" - John Mayer Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin. "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
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