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OfflinepipeDream
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Air Pumps
    #5305187 - 02/16/06 12:00 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Today I decided to take a trip up to Petco to check out some air pumps (putting together a list so I can figure out my expenses here) and it seemed like to me that the "poor man's pod" terrarium is not exactly for the poor man. I was just curious how much a descent air pump was going to cost. Petco might just be on the expensive side but they sold 3 different air pumps, I believe the brand was "hi-tech" and they sold a 3500 (30-60ga.) 4500(40-80ga.) and a 7500(100ga.) airpumps ranging from $27-$37. Then an additional 8 bucks each for the bubblewalls, need 2 of them. This all seems fairly expensive to you b/c for what Ive heard about these things it did to me. I plan on using about a 50-60 ga. tupperware container, what do you guys suggest?

One other thing where would you guys suggest I look for geolite, (no luck at walmart). I did one other grow in the past using perlite and that stuff is pretty messy to work with, looking to see if I can switch to the geolite.


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Re: Air Pumps [Re: pipeDream]
    #5305239 - 02/16/06 12:27 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Try Wally World, they have heaters for really really cheap.


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Re: Air Pumps [Re: DIRTYMAN]
    #5305914 - 02/16/06 08:30 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Ya I looked over there but the best air pump they had was 20-60 ga, Dont know how well this will handle a tank pushing its end limits.

*Edit* haha sorry bout that i mix up my typing all the time. Im not talking about a heater, air pumps here.


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Re: Air Pumps [Re: pipeDream]
    #5305938 - 02/16/06 08:41 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I'm confused.. are you looking for an air pump or a heater? Or both? You don't need a heater for your PmP. Heaters are for TiT incubator setups. And the cheap 20-60 gallon heater from walmart works perfectly fine for TiT, even if the container is like 50 gallons, because you won't be filling it all the way up with water. youll probably only have like 10 gallons in there, the rest of the space will be filled by the tub within the tub.

So far as PmP and airpumps go, all I can advise is check walmart again. They've got a cheap pump for no more than 10 bucks. I don't know the specifications though.


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Re: Air Pumps [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
    #5306196 - 02/16/06 10:17 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

whatever you do go get a 60 gallon or higher pump. you really can't go too high with these pumps.

i went to petco and the cheapest pump i bought was $24.99 you can also hook additional binns up to it with some extra effort.

With a single outlet just run one line to the pump but for two outlet pumps here is my write up on it.




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Re: Air Pumps [Re: thenewguy05]
    #5306418 - 02/16/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I got a couple more questions to ask now enlight of the last post.

How many bins can that pump that you have, the profile 5500, handle at once? And I see there is an adjustment knob on these profile airpumps. Are you able to control how much air it pumps through because I was thinking of just getting a nice big 100 ga. air pump so I would be able to hook up plenty of additional tubs later on down the road.

Also lastly I see you also are doing casings that way, how do you keep the humidity from getting too high?


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Re: Air Pumps [Re: pipeDream]
    #5306531 - 02/16/06 11:47 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

never had the problem of too high humidity. the mushrooms may come out sopping wet but never had that problem.

the profile pump has no adjustments for air but i would do like you said and get the 100 gallon pump and you could run quite a harvest.

my profile5500 pump can just barley support 4 66 quart rubbermaid bins. you may have to do some math to figure out how many gallons your binns are; all added up together. that way you can figure out what size pump you want or need. as for the profile pump don't go out and look for one, they got taken off the shelfs of petco and now i know why all of them were on sale. i have had success using the tetra whisper. the bigger the better IMO/IME.

just never go under the pump rating. this will possibley support life but not encourage it. that is taken from my notes on a cambodian grow that recently helped me learn that four bins works but three binns works better.


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Re: Air Pumps [Re: thenewguy05]
    #5306563 - 02/16/06 11:55 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Haha ya ive been searching around for the profile pumps b/c ive seen a lot of pictures of people using them. Good to know to let that idea go. Is there such thing as pumping too much air through the terrarium though? Say I only started out with 1 tub with a 100 ga pump, I know its overkill, but is it bad for the growing enviornment? Wasn't sure if it would pump all the humidity out of the tub or anything of such that might deteriorate the quality of the terrariums?


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Re: Air Pumps [Re: pipeDream]
    #5307378 - 02/16/06 02:59 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Suggest you all look on ebay for used nebulizers.

The better ones pump out air around 20 / 25 psi @ 12 to 20 liters a minute.

These are small medical grade air pumps.

A comparable one for an aquarium would cost you $200 +.

On ebay, they can be had sometimes from $15 to $20 bucks :grin:


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Re: Air Pumps [Re: agar]
    #5307510 - 02/16/06 03:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)



The stats:
Maximum Pressure: 3psi
Maximum Capacity: 22 lpm / 1,320 lites pre hour
394 gph /6.5 gpm
24,800 cc/minute capacities
Power Consumption: 8w

My FC area:
26' Length
36' Height
23' Depth

Total cubic inches: 21528
cubic feet: 12.4
gallon: 93 / 351 liters

2 FAE pre hour 12.4 cu. ft. divided by 60 = 4.8 CFM cubic feet pre minute / 135.8 liters minuets / 35.9 gpm


So this air pump will exchange the volume of air 3.7 times an hour in my FC through 4 hoses. So far no cracking of the caps and RH is fine.


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Re: Air Pumps [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5308296 - 02/16/06 07:18 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I'll have to look into those nebulizer's, thanks for the info. Can you over do it with an air pump though? pump too much air through the terrarium?


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Re: Air Pumps [Re: pipeDream]
    #5308350 - 02/16/06 07:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

not really, if you can keep your Rh up and consistent with the air flow then you should be fine unless it gets  'windy' :wink:


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Re: Air Pumps [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5308480 - 02/16/06 08:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Ive looked more into these air pumps and has anyone tried these Eco plus Eco Air line of air pumps. The are specifically for hydroponics and fishtanks but I cant get any specs or gallons size? http://www.plantlighting.com/Eco-Air-8-24W-8-Outlet-Variable-Control-Air-Pump-D_1518.html

Also about those nebulizers, im looking on ebay, it says operating RH is 10-95%, so does that mean that these things wont work if the humidity is above 95%?


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Re: Air Pumps [Re: pipeDream]
    #5310313 - 02/17/06 12:38 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

bump - almost got it all figure out


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Re: Air Pumps [Re: pipeDream]
    #5311302 - 02/17/06 05:41 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Whoops, I meant air pumps. I got one the other day for under 10 bucks. I should've gotten the double air pump...


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Re: Air Pumps [Re: DIRTYMAN]
    #5311908 - 02/17/06 08:26 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

60 gal wisper dual outlet air pump per 2 30gal tubs
more is better
wisper is the quietest


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Re: Air Pumps [Re: boosthappyvw]
    #5312003 - 02/17/06 08:58 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

ya, i think I can get my hands on a Tetra Whisper 100, suppose to be good for up to 100 gal, for about 20 bucks but then its about 8 bucks for shipping and handling. Gonna take a look around some pet stores but so far no luck.

I was wondering, what stores can you find geolite in. Is it strictly gardening supply stores, b/c none of the gardening departments in walmart seemed to carry it, not from what I could see atleast.


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Re: Air Pumps [Re: pipeDream]
    #5312017 - 02/17/06 09:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Hydroponic stores :wink:


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Re: Air Pumps [Re: agar]
    #5312369 - 02/17/06 11:24 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

i don't know about the whole 2 ports going in one hose i thought it was the same power.  i mean 2 ports just say 1/2" going in 1 1/2" hose dosen't add up to me. 

what i did was take one port "t" it and put one hose in each tubs only 22gall each  then took the other port and also "t"ed it and put to in my bigger tub about 45gal.  but i know every one dose shit diffrent and i have not yet tryed my set up about to in a week or less.  whisper 100 gal free :wink:


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