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tokey666
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anyone use a monotub without lining the bottom w/ substrate?
#5303993 - 02/15/06 06:01 PM (18 years, 4 days ago) |
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Ahoy everybody. Basically, I was just wanting to inquire about whether anyone has had casings in seperate containers inside a monotub (lid closed, only holes with polyfill for air exchange and no fanning.)
I don't want to line the bottom of the tub w/ substrate. I prefer just picking up the smaller casings.
So, is there enough air exchange to have casings inside a monotub rather then lining it with substrate?
Thanks for any help!
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Re: anyone use a monotub without lining the bottom w/ substrate? [Re: tokey666]
#5304035 - 02/15/06 06:08 PM (18 years, 4 days ago) |
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Yeah, that will work. It'd work best if you can find a couple of smaller casings that fit in there really well.. like nearly touching the walls. That way the co2 still flows out the polyfil holes.
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Re: anyone use a monotub without lining the bottom w/ substrate? [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
#5304134 - 02/15/06 06:29 PM (18 years, 4 days ago) |
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^^That's key...
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Re: anyone use a monotub without lining the bottom w/ substrate? [Re: xxanxx]
#5304182 - 02/15/06 06:38 PM (18 years, 4 days ago) |
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Re: anyone use a monotub without lining the bottom w/ substrate? [Re: skeletor]
#5304313 - 02/15/06 07:06 PM (18 years, 4 days ago) |
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I use 68L monotubs like you mentioned, and they work well for casings. IME though, the more casings, and the tighter they fit into your perlite humidified tubs, the lower the RH. If you have too many casings covering your perlite layer, it cannot transpire enough water into the air for sufficiently high RH. I had 2 dishpans that fit perfectly into my tubs, but ended up having to remove one of them from each monotub for just that reason.
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Re: anyone use a monotub without lining the bottom w/ substrate? [Re: Premedman1]
#5304329 - 02/15/06 07:11 PM (18 years, 4 days ago) |
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Premed, I think he was referring to setting it up like a monotub in that there's no bottom layer of perlite, just the humidity maintained by the bulk substrate and casing layer.
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Re: anyone use a monotub without lining the bottom w/ substrate? [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
#5304368 - 02/15/06 07:22 PM (18 years, 4 days ago) |
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tokey666 said: anyone has had casings in seperate containers inside a monotub
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tiny_rabid_birds said: Premed, I think he was referring to setting it up like a monotub in that there's no bottom layer of perlite, just the humidity maintained by the bulk substrate and casing layer.
Unless I misunderstood, he's not wanting to go bulk. Separate smaller casings inside a larger tub. If this is the case, small casings could not maintain the RH needed for optimal growth without help from perlite, a humidifier, etc.
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Re: anyone use a monotub without lining the bottom w/ substrate? [Re: Premedman1]
#5304438 - 02/15/06 07:37 PM (18 years, 4 days ago) |
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Well you both are right!
Mainly, my first question is that will there be enough fresh air exchange for a good pinset/growth.
Then, will humidity be at an optimum level? I don't mind adding/changing perlite. Not a problem. My main concern in FAE.
And yes, I will have the smaller tubs fitting quite well, but yet leave cracks to up the humidity level a bit.
Sound cool?
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Re: anyone use a monotub without lining the bottom w/ substrate? [Re: tokey666]
#5304455 - 02/15/06 07:45 PM (18 years, 4 days ago) |
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So are you going bulk or not? I was under the impression that you wanted to do a monotub exactly like the monotub (meaning bulk substrate spawned with grain), except you just wanted the substrate to rest in individual casing containers. If you're just going to be casing grain, then I'd say use the perlite and take premed's advice.
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Re: anyone use a monotub without lining the bottom w/ substrate? [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
#5304462 - 02/15/06 07:49 PM (18 years, 4 days ago) |
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Yes, your holes stuffed with polyfill (or preferrably covered with micropore tape) would support growth, though far from optimal. A small aquarium air pump equipped with an airstone submersed in a small bowl of water would take care of FAE and help to raise your RH.
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Re: anyone use a monotub without lining the bottom w/ substrate? [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
#5304491 - 02/15/06 07:59 PM (18 years, 4 days ago) |
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Well I still think its considered "bulk"....
I am going to use POO in containers that fit almost perfectly along the bottom of the tub. Less risk of contams, easier to handle, etc.
Its only a 16 gallon tub, so I can fit two large shoebox sized casings in there.
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tokey666
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Re: anyone use a monotub without lining the bottom w/ substrate? [Re: tokey666]
#5304501 - 02/15/06 08:03 PM (18 years, 4 days ago) |
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Air pumps make noise, which causes suspicion. I wanted to pursue an "al-natur-al" thing. 
Also, do they make thick ductape width micropore tape?
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Re: anyone use a monotub without lining the bottom w/ substrate? [Re: tokey666]
#5304517 - 02/15/06 08:09 PM (18 years, 4 days ago) |
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Tokey, have you read the "Bulk Neglect Tek" before? It's pretty damn discreet and did very well for Mycofile. Check it out if you haven't already.
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Re: anyone use a monotub without lining the bottom w/ substrate? [Re: tokey666]
#5304525 - 02/15/06 08:12 PM (18 years, 4 days ago) |
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tokey666 said: Also, do they make thick ductape width micropore tape?
http://woundcareshop.safeshopper.com/638/4658.htm?879
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Re: anyone use a monotub without lining the bottom w/ substrate? [Re: FooMan]
#5304536 - 02/15/06 08:16 PM (18 years, 4 days ago) |
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Well since you're still using bulk substrate, you should be perfectly fine using the monotub design, assuming the casing containers fit in there so it's virtually wall to wall substrate. I can't see why it wouldn't work, it'd be functioning on the same principal as a regular monotub.
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Re: anyone use a monotub without lining the bottom w/ substrate? [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
#5304552 - 02/15/06 08:21 PM (18 years, 4 days ago) |
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Don't get me wrong, I wasn't knocking the mono tub. I have just seen that Tokey likes stealthy setups and I'm just throwing another idea out there for him.
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tokey666
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Re: anyone use a monotub without lining the bottom w/ substrate? [Re: tokey666]
#5304567 - 02/15/06 08:25 PM (18 years, 4 days ago) |
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Sounds good! ANd thanks for the link!
I actually havn't seen the ORIGINAL bulk neglect report. I have seen discussion of it in places too, but never thought much about it. Is this up my alley? And do you have a link to the original?
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tokey666
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Re: anyone use a monotub without lining the bottom w/ substrate? [Re: tokey666]
#5304576 - 02/15/06 08:26 PM (18 years, 4 days ago) |
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GOD, nevermind. Found it.
*kicks self in ass* duh...sorry!
Thanks!
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