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Vermiculite alternatives in casing
    #5302419 - 02/15/06 08:59 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I have searched around but cant find a vermiculite alternative.  I can get plenty of vermiculite but I'm looking for something that isn't mined from the earth.  I was going to just use straight coir but I have seen a couple posts by RogerRabbit that say coir is a poor casing layer because it is nutritive(sp).  I'm just trying to be good to the earth.  Any ideas? :crazy2:


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Re: Vermiculite alternatives in casing [Re: mky]
    #5302530 - 02/15/06 09:49 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

How come you're looking for something that isn't mined from the Earth?

What RogerRabbit said is correct to a degree, but you can easily have a successful grow after casing with straight coir...people seem to recommend mixing it with vermiculite since it is better at holding water.

I would highly recommend using Jiffy Mix (Verm/Peat/lime) if you can find it around where you live (Home Depot)...but it has verm in it, and that might be a problem for you. It works very, very well though - so if you can find it, I would use that over any straight verm, straight coir, or mix of the two any day.


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Re: Vermiculite alternatives in casing [Re: Room4Shroom]
    #5304643 - 02/15/06 08:45 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

The reason I don't want to use verm is because everything else I use to grow is a reused waste product or renewable, but verm is neither.


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Re: Vermiculite alternatives in casing [Re: mky]
    #5304678 - 02/15/06 08:53 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I have heard about using some kind of crystals.......?

I don't remember more but it sounded interesting.

A far as coir goes.... Coir as substrate.

I think in the end you have to use Vermiculite unless you sacrifice quality and such

also why destroy the case/cake to reuse it, better off tossing it in the yard or something.


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Re: Vermiculite alternatives in casing [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5304790 - 02/15/06 09:24 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I don't want to reuse casings, I just don't want to use something that is a non renewable mineral. I like coir because it is made from coconuts, is renewable and thus better for the environment.


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Re: Vermiculite alternatives in casing [Re: mky]
    #5305917 - 02/16/06 08:32 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Straight coir dries rapidly and poses many problems for beginners. If your that concerned about it I recommend not using a casing at all bro. GL BTW verm is an excellent ammendment to most soils and makes for a very healthy rooting environment for any plant.


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Re: Vermiculite alternatives in casing [Re: hyphae]
    #5305940 - 02/16/06 08:42 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

why dont you try perlite its basically the same thing as vermiculite :stoned:


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Re: Vermiculite alternatives in casing [Re: ToKeNTuRtLe]
    #5305943 - 02/16/06 08:43 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Not for mycology it's not. Perlite and vermiculite are not interchangeable.


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Re: Vermiculite alternatives in casing [Re: ToKeNTuRtLe]
    #5305949 - 02/16/06 08:46 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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ToKeNTuRtLe said:
why dont you try perlite its basically the same thing as vermiculite :stoned:




WRONG........

Read this POST

Verm is FAR better suited.


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Re: Vermiculite alternatives in casing [Re: mky]
    #5306142 - 02/16/06 09:57 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

If you need it just for casings, use straight peat with crushed oyster shells as a pH buffer.


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Re: Vermiculite alternatives in casing [Re: FooMan]
    #5306263 - 02/16/06 10:31 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Verm and Perl have different uses because they have different properties.
Verm holds moisture.
Perl holds little moisture.

Why not use peat? It's bascially a decayed vegatable matter. So in a way you're 'recycling'.

BTW: I'm a mushroom growing noob so I don't know if it will work. It was just the first thing that popped into my head. It would be nice if a veteran cultivator confirmed this as a possibility.

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Re: Vermiculite alternatives in casing [Re: mky]
    #5306319 - 02/16/06 10:46 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Jiffy Mix will work much better than straight peat which does hold a little water but not anywhere close to that of verm which is required by the demand that maturing fruitbodies place on it. Theres a point in which being eco-minded will be crossed over to fanatically eco-minded please stay open minded and receptive to learning what actually is bad and which is good.


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