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Hassle to buy needles...
    #5302086 - 02/15/06 04:01 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Anyone else have probs buying needles from pharmacy's?? I went to a huge one today and they said they would sell syringes but wouldnt sell me needles. I went home after getting the rest of my supplies and phoned 2 other stores before i went, both said the same thing. I FINALY found a place that would sell them to me, and they were completely cool about it, as if i was there to buy barocca or sumthing. Wats the deal?! BTW, the first pharmacy said they cant sell 91% Isopropyl Alcohol anymore cos they need a license or sumthing, so i got a Sergical Solution with 96% alcohol and sum other anti-bacterial type chemicals in it, would this work in the place of 91% Isopropyl for making spore syringes (for steralising the needle and shot glass).


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Re: Hassle to buy needles... [Re: AkashaPrinciple] * 1
    #5302129 - 02/15/06 04:42 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

For big bore needles, try feed & seed supply stores for farms, cattle & ranches. They handle them & don't even blink when you inquire. As, farmers / ranchers use them for livestock, all the time.

I prefer & use 70% alc. The reason being, it evaporates slower than 90++% alc. Meaning, that gives it a little more time to work, effectively.

What you have should suffice.


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Re: Hassle to buy needles... [Re: agar]
    #5302137 - 02/15/06 04:48 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

oh ok cool, thanks for the advice. I also bought a bottle of rubbing alcohol, would this be better to use on the needles and shotglass too maybe?? And another idea, if i dipped the needle into the sergical solution and then burnt it with a lighter, would this work better? Sorry for all the questions, i just want to make sure i do it right the first time.


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Re: Hassle to buy needles... [Re: AkashaPrinciple]
    #5302151 - 02/15/06 05:03 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Rubbing alc works fine.

I assume the needles you bought are in STERILE wraps.
So, they are sterile, to begin with.

I would NOT dip needles in a solution. Simply because, if any residual remains inside a needle. It could/would potentially harm or kill some spores.

I don't flame needles,especially with a cigarette lighter. As doing so can leave soot on them.

If you pour a little rubbing alc on a gauze pad (or paper towel), then after unsheathing a needle & attaching to a syringe, keep the needle wrapped in the pad. That minimizes all needle exposure to open air.

I hope you have cobbled together some sort of glove box, to make your first syringes, from prints. That greatly increases you chance of getting clean syringes.



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Re: Hassle to buy needles... [Re: agar]
    #5302169 - 02/15/06 05:17 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yes the needles are in sterile wraps. Im not using a glove box, ive seen a lot of grow logs and teks which were done successfully without them so i will take my chances. I will still be taking all precautions like spraying the area with anti-bacterial, rubbing all surfaces down with alcohol first, got a very good face mask filter thing (not just the ones with the metal filter things, its got a plastic filter built in, almost like a mini gas mask typa thing, proly overkill but hey lol). Will be doing this with clenliness as the main priority. Thanks for clearing that all up tho, i think ill just use the rubbing alcohol, or maybe a bit of both if the 96% evaporates really fast.


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Re: Hassle to buy needles... [Re: agar]
    #5302223 - 02/15/06 06:13 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Flaming sucks ...i do mine just like you do Agar :thumbup:
I havent gotten a contammed jar in a long time


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Re: Hassle to buy needles... [Re: AkashaPrinciple]
    #5302236 - 02/15/06 06:18 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Trick to open air work, is to do it in the smallest possible uncarpted room, with smooth, easy to sanitize surfaces.

Usualy, a bathroom. Be sure to close any vents. Remove all posible cloth. Wear freshly laundered clothing, mask & hair covering.

Simply wipe down every possible thing with a sanitizer. Spray a fine mist of sanitizer high in the air, repeatedly, let it settle & go to work.

When, I first started out, I did MANY G2G's like that, with about a 97% sucsess rate.


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Re: Hassle to buy needles... [Re: agar]
    #5302244 - 02/15/06 06:24 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Should the spore solution in the syringue be as dark as the one agar posted in this thread? Because the one I bought was pretty much as clear as water and nothing grew. I thought it was my jars that had dried but could it be the syringue that's fake? (bought from a sponsor)


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Re: Hassle to buy needles... [Re: le_cerne_brun]
    #5302316 - 02/15/06 07:29 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

No need for dark at all. If you can see a few spores in it, there is probably many - many thousand, if not hundreds of thousands. As what you see, may be 500 or 1000 in a single pin point size clump.


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Re: Hassle to buy needles... [Re: agar]
    #5302349 - 02/15/06 07:59 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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When, I first started out, I did MANY G2G's like that, with about a 97% sucsess rate.




:thumbup:  i still do my g2g like this, works fine.  just clean the hell out of whatever room youre using, and use alcohol swabs religiously.  cake.


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Re: Hassle to buy needles... [Re: Omnicracker]
    #5302555 - 02/15/06 10:03 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

rigs can be bought online for cheap. This whole thing is bull shit imo. Cali wont sell you rigs with out a licance saying you need them. I guess they like to spread aids. You can get rigs from groups of poeple in cali that distrubute "clean rigs" but you need drity ones to trade with them. Here in wa state any one can buy rigs no questions asked. We would rather have our junkies useing clean rigs than reuseing them. Online is your best bet. I am not sure if mikeological is still open but they had the cheapest 10$ for 12.


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Re: Hassle to buy needles... [Re: onetime]
    #5302570 - 02/15/06 10:11 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Hassle to buy needles... [Re: onetime]
    #5302575 - 02/15/06 10:14 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

i bought like 1000 16g needles on ebay for dirt fucking cheap.


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Re: Hassle to buy needles... [Re: onetime]
    #5302578 - 02/15/06 10:15 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

hmm i never had problems buying in a pharmacy, i dont think they are allowed to deny me syringes and needles here in norway. but i get strange looks sometimes. last time i had my kid with me, and i got this weird ass look and I said does it look like i shoot up heroin with a 20 ml sytinge? and explained it was for my mushroom growing. (i grow and sell gourmet mushrooms)


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Re: Hassle to buy needles... [Re: onetime]
    #5302583 - 02/15/06 10:15 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

onetime.
that link in your signature is bogus...


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Re: Hassle to buy needles... [Re: Omnicracker]
    #5302612 - 02/15/06 10:31 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

It must have gone away somebody from this site started a few years ago it was a ethogen store/fourm. Must not have sold much. I was about to check that to see if it still works.


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Re: Hassle to buy needles... [Re: Solidcell]
    #5302671 - 02/15/06 10:52 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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http://ryvmed.com/detail.aspx?ID=26




really good price too!


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Re: Hassle to buy needles... [Re: CapCaptain]
    #5303418 - 02/15/06 02:49 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

if ever asked what i am using them for... i tell em they are for injecting fruit with Alcahol.

they sell em to me no prob... (I look like a frat guy)


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Re: Hassle to buy needles... [Re: Solidcell]
    #5303439 - 02/15/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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http://ryvmed.com/detail.aspx?ID=26




WOW, thats the best price i've ever seen. whats the catch???


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Re: Hassle to buy needles... [Re: shroomsynergy]
    #5303692 - 02/15/06 04:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

21g


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Re: Hassle to buy needles... [Re: le_cerne_brun]
    #5303862 - 02/15/06 05:17 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Trick to open air work, is to do it in the smallest possible uncarpted room, with smooth, easy to sanitize surfaces.

Usualy, a bathroom. Be sure to close any vents. Remove all posible cloth. Wear freshly laundered clothing, mask & hair covering.

Simply wipe down every possible thing with a sanitizer. Spray a fine mist of sanitizer high in the air, repeatedly, let it settle & go to work.

When, I first started out, I did MANY G2G's like that, with about a 97% sucsess rate.




Awesome, thanks for the advice, i was going to do it in my room but im gonna use the bathroom now, Didnt think about the whole uncarpeted thing. Also, i had an idea, say i just used a tub turned on its side, so the open top (without lid) is facing me, and i did everything inside of there, with the insides wiped with alcohol, would this also help sumwat? i know its nothing like a sealed glovebox, but i spose it gives protection from more sides than if it was in open air completely. thnks for all the advice, starting my grow in an hr or 2!!! Will post pics soon!


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A million light reflections pass over me, It's source is bright and endless"


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Re: Hassle to buy needles... [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5305231 - 02/16/06 12:23 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

(21g) is that too small for spores, or just a slow uptake???


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Re: Hassle to buy needles... [Re: shroomsynergy]
    #5305537 - 02/16/06 04:55 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I got 18ga needles and they were a good size, but i think 21 would also be fine, and yeh i would suspect it would have a slower uptake, especially if its taking in spores along with the water.


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Re: Hassle to buy needles... [Re: AkashaPrinciple]
    #5305545 - 02/16/06 04:59 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

21g will be fine for spores, but it may prove to be too thin for LCs.  I'd go 18g if you can.  The same site has fifty 20cc syringes with 18g 1.5" needles for 5 bucks cheaper.  http://ryvmed.com/searchresult.aspx?CategoryID=32
You get half the number of syringes, but each holds twice as much.  :thumbup:


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Re: Hassle to buy needles... [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
    #5305575 - 02/16/06 05:29 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well just to let u all know ive started my first grow. Made my syringes and pf-tek jars, you can chek out the log here: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5305156/an/0/page/0

Thanks for all the advice everyone gave on sanitising the needles :thumbup: :syringe: :mushroom2:. Hopefully they will be contam free and everything will go to plan, hopefully, lol.


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Re: Hassle to buy needles... [Re: AkashaPrinciple]
    #5305862 - 02/16/06 08:07 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I think they made Needles much easier to get around because the Junkys were all sharing needles and getting sick


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Re: Hassle to buy needles... [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
    #5307667 - 02/16/06 04:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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21g will be fine for spores, but it may prove to be too thin for LCs.  I'd go 18g if you can.  The same site has fifty 20cc syringes with 18g 1.5" needles for 5 bucks cheaper.  http://ryvmed.com/searchresult.aspx?CategoryID=32
You get half the number of syringes, but each holds twice as much.  :thumbup:




I have a hard time getting spores through 18G needles if i make them with a print or two they tend to group up. Some popele use jet dry or "uber secert magic no clump formula" or ultra sonic waves. I dont.


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Re: Hassle to buy needles... [Re: onetime]
    #5307674 - 02/16/06 04:24 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

:eek:ASTROGLIDE :grin:..... is the super secret formula.
(5 drops in 100ml of water)


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Re: Hassle to buy needles... [Re: agar]
    #5307685 - 02/16/06 04:30 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

isnt Maintain preferred?


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Re: Hassle to buy needles... [Re: agar]
    #5307690 - 02/16/06 04:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

NO WAY do you use astroglide!

hahahah! what about KY?


anywho - i get my 12cc's from sporeworks. ok prices for what they are worth


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Re: Hassle to buy needles... [Re: agar]
    #5307693 - 02/16/06 04:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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:eek:ASTROGLIDE :grin:..... is the super secret formula.
(5 drops in 100ml of water)




Your kidding right?
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Re: Hassle to buy needles... [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5308096 - 02/16/06 06:15 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

the ingrediants seem like it should work. Water-based
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Water-based personal lubricants are water soluble, and are generally the type which is least irritating to body surfaces. These are descended from a cellulose and water combination, originally labeled as 'Surgilube', released in the 1950s. Subsequent products have added various agents for spreading, water retention, and resistance to contamination. The viscosity of these products can be adjusted by adjusting their water content and concentration of cellulose (or other gel forming macromolecule). They do have a tendency to dry out during use, but application of additional water is sufficient to re-activate them. These properties lead to their frequent use for sexual activity.

Since the 1980s, a few companies have used a water soluble, silicon co-polymer (dimethicone), for a prolonged slippery effect. While these contain a silicone component they are still water based products. They are very slippery, which can be a disadvantage because a certain amount of friction is necessary for optimal sensation, their viscosity cannot be adjusted, and they can stain clothing and sheets.

Water-based lubricants are incompatible with sex acts which occur in water (such as in a bath) as they can be dissolved or dispersed in water.

Popular brands include K-Y Jelly, Astroglide and Sliquid H2O.

The veterinary lubricant and special-effects slime ingredient J-Lube is sometimes used as a sexual lubricant, especially in some sexual subcommunities. It is usually purchased as a powder, which consists of polyethylene oxide mixed with sucrose as a dispersing agent, and produces an inexpensive and extremely slippery lubricant when mixed with water.




all I could find on jet dry was this from the jet dry offical site

What are the ingredients in JET-DRY? products?
Answer:
JET-DRY? products are a special combination of nonionic surfactants, a chelating agent, fragrance and dye.


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