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gregorio
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Re: the pain of Jesus, that I could not bear [Re: DeathCompany]
#5302098 - 02/15/06 04:19 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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DeathCompany said: you can tell jesus thankyou...o wait no one has ever seen him nevermind
Thousands of people have seen, 2,000 years ago, it is a historical fact that Jesus was a real person who walked among men.
Whether or not this Jesus is God or not----I couldn't tell you.
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DeathCompany
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Re: the pain of Jesus, that I could not bear [Re: gregorio]
#5302743 - 02/15/06 11:14 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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well gues you proved me wrong so if someone would build a time machine and go back 2000 years and tell jesus thankyou for loving a guy hes never even met or born yet would be greatly apreciated.
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Re: the pain of Jesus, that I could not bear [Re: DeathCompany]
#5302816 - 02/15/06 11:34 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Jesus the man may have died 2000 years ago, but Christ is eternal. He lives here and now.
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Re: the pain of Jesus, that I could not bear [Re: DeathCompany]
#5302889 - 02/15/06 12:01 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Jesus the man may have died 2000 years ago, but Christ is eternal. He lives here and now, the Christed self, In our Higher Hearts.
By higher heart, I don't mean the lower heart that knows jealousy, possessiveness, pain, resentment, guilt or anger. I mean the higher heart that just knows compassionate unconditional love for all and forgiveness. We all have a Christed self to tap into. Jesus was just one of many humans over time who showed us the way into the sacred heart.
-------------------- Ahuwale ka nane huna.
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blaze2
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yup read one of the gospels nerdwombater then tell me jesus virtues are not better than yours?
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Re: the pain of Jesus, that I could not bear [Re: Silversoul]
#5303740 - 02/15/06 04:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Paradigm said: Jesus the man may have died 2000 years ago, but Christ is eternal. He lives here and now.
Eh, yup.
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Re: the pain of Jesus, that I could not bear [Re: DeathCompany]
#5304023 - 02/15/06 06:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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DeathCompany said: yeah same with all these other jesus loving retards
Love is godly, and if any man can find love through a being, so be it. Jesus is a tool, aside from a man- of which many have bettered their lives. Bettering is good & good is sure alright, I say. It is the twisting of faith that you should really consider "retarded". Expand, man...c'mon now.
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leery11
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Re: the pain of Jesus, that I could not bear [Re: RainbowDrops]
#5304104 - 02/15/06 06:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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there isn't particularly a ton of evidence that says Jesus even existed in the first place.
the whole thing is very controversial, but at any rate, why do you feel that you have to harm yourself in order to attain salvation? That's a self-destructive drive and I can't see it leading you anywhere.
This is why I do not like Christianity, heaven and hell are equally infathomable dualities that paralyze the intellect and people wind up becoming Christian not because of all the good aspects, but because the bad aspects of the religion have scared them very badly.
If the whole Jesus thing is how people think it is, then it means that you don't have to go through what he went through, you just need to let him repalce your ego with his pure being.
The concept of a savior is meaningless unless you FIRST create a hell for people to be afraid of. This keeps them operating in a constant paradox where their lives are controlled with fear. It's similar to how the war on terror and the media work.
Though I do see symbolic beauty in the Christ figure, willing to step through HUMANITIES shadow, not just his own, and attempting to let others gain merit from his work. In actuality though if he beared the burdens of the very nature of sin itself, why should it matter that we believe in him? He is lodged deeper into the collective mind than anything else ever could be, is he not? Why then is he not there to lead EVERYONE into salvation no matter what they have come to believe? Why need faith in something that is really unfathonably confusing, unreasonable, and shourded in the corruptions of the world.
Christianity as a movement has done much harm to the entire world..... is it supposed to be that way, to truely test people's faith? See, the questioning never ends.
Where are the answers? If there is a Jesus I would more than like to feel a firm conviction so that I could allow him to heal and transform me, but I'm very skeptical. I find it easier to put faith in universal love than in a hypothetical man.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
Edited by leery11 (02/15/06 06:27 PM)
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gettinjiggywithit
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Re: the pain of Jesus, that I could not bear [Re: leery11]
#5304463 - 02/15/06 07:49 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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there isn't particularly a ton of evidence that says Jesus even existed in the first place.
The dead Sea Scrolls were discovered in a cave in 1942 containing the gospels of Mary Magdalene where all she does is talk about the teachings of the man known as Jesus. The scrolls were carbon dated back to that time period.
She made mention that he taught there was no such thing as sin. Its a no wonder the church kept them out and stashed them away.
For plays sake, lets say many people of the distant past made his WHOLE life story up. Whoever, wrote the words of what he taught, wrote some WISE stuff. Thats what people appeal to, the teachings themselves, no matter who taught them.
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leery11
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find me some sources. Right now you're just relying on tenacity....
I'm trying to dig one up from the "he isn't real" side.
http://www.truthbeknown.com/origins.htm
I don't know what to believe, and I don't think it's safe for anyone to assume that they do with matters like these. It would help if Jesus had made his own writings I suppose.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
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Re: the pain of Jesus, that I could not bear [Re: leery11]
#5304584 - 02/15/06 08:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Anyone can google up translated copies of the Dead Sea scrolls and reasearch information about them.
I'm just giving one example of something that acts as a piece of possible evidence. If it may for you and you are sincerely interested, you can research it for yourself.
Ultimately, like I said, its the words of the teachings themselves that matter most to people, not the lump of flesh they came out of.
Say a group of people made it all up. How does that effect the golden rule "do unto others as you would have them do unto you"?
Does it really matter who said that or when?
Its one of the dozens of pathways forged into our higher hearts of compassion, fellow feeling, and putting ourselves in someone else shoes. We can choose to follow it there and see how it changes life for us or ignore it.
I doubt anyone here cares to convince you of anything, at least I know I don't. People are just sharing their beleifs and reasons why they have them about him and or the teachings made in his name.
-------------------- Ahuwale ka nane huna.
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leery11
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It matters very much if he is or isn't real, because if he is just a fiction then it's just another example of people being controlled by nefarious agencies.
His teachings are valuable, yes, absolutely, but the religion that has built up underneath has served to almost make him look like a false idol in my eyes, because though his teachings are great, so many "devout" followers don't listen to them at all.
So I mean, if Christ is real then it has a lot to say for Christianity and I would hope for a Christian revolution for people to get tuned into Christ-consciousness and detach from their governments and churches..... however if he isn't real then it just sickens me that the religion is carrying on the way it is and I'm not sure if there is much hope in it.
But all in all its just philosophy and it doesn't matter. Jesus had some good teachings, and that's all that matters. You are right there. All religous figures have great teachings.
I'm just really hung up because I surely do want to be able to believe in Christ and Amitabha and the various Buddhas, and Christ is the focus of my doubt right now. I suppose for some they NEED to believe in the literal Jesus in order to live good lives, but for some it's just about the messages that all religions share in common.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
Edited by leery11 (02/15/06 08:38 PM)
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NerdleWombanger
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Re: the pain of Jesus, that I could not bear [Re: blaze2]
#5304703 - 02/15/06 08:59 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Jesus's virtues are not better than mine.
Edited by NerdleWombanger (02/15/06 09:03 PM)
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gettinjiggywithit
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Re: the pain of Jesus, that I could not bear [Re: leery11]
#5304713 - 02/15/06 09:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I hear you there. 
I don't know of any regular in this forum that appreciates what Christs Consciousness has to offer us that belong to any religion or go to and support a church.
People who do must for other reasons. In the Gospels of Mary she says Jesus said something to the effect of, "Do not beleive what you are told to go here or there looking for me. I am within you. Follow me there."
I hear you about church corruption. That should be able to stand independent of following his teachings that even stated for his followers not to start religions in his name because he said they would become corrupt.
I have no idea how or why the church insitutions have lasted this long. I don't think it has much to do with Jesus's existance though. Look at the Church of Scientology which has millions of members and nothing to do with Jesus.
I think some need to turn to an external authority source to tell them right from wrong, or how it is, or how to be or live, because they havn't learned how to trust what's in their hearts yet. 
-------------------- Ahuwale ka nane huna.
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leery11
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I haven't learned how to trust that either.
everything below my navel is painful and disruptive. The two are directly related though I don't know if that makes sense to most. Maybe I should tell my yoga teacher about it.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
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Re: the pain of Jesus, that I could not bear [Re: four_winds]
#5304943 - 02/15/06 10:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Jesus is just our modern day dead Osiris and live Horus.
Instead of trying to reenact Jesus' suffering, why don't you try for the Egyptian gods? They were the originals, after all, and the stories are much better.
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Re: the pain of Jesus, that I could not bear [Re: leery11]
#5304968 - 02/15/06 10:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sure blockages are easily understandable. The heart is usually the first people shut down. The pain felt in the lower heart can be the most excruciating. Some have that open, yet it gets clogged up and blocked with anger, resentment or guilt or all of them. Thats probably why the J-man taught non judgment and forgiveness so much. It opens the way into the higher heart.
I have found it is a primo way for allowing your feelings to be open, exposed and vulnerable. If you can be self compassionate, understanding and forgiving, it's easier to keep the heart open and energy flowing.
I don't know what your Yoga teacher knows about releasing energy blocks, but it can't hurt to bring it up and it may help if she/he has some methods.
-------------------- Ahuwale ka nane huna.
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Re: the pain of Jesus, that I could not bear [Re: Ravus]
#5305047 - 02/15/06 10:54 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ravus said: Jesus is just our modern day dead Osiris and live Horus.
Instead of trying to reenact Jesus' suffering, why don't you try for the Egyptian gods? They were the originals, after all, and the stories are much better.
  Our gods the fun god! Our gods the sun god! Ra! Ra! Ra!
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Re: the pain of Jesus, that I could not bear [Re: NerdleWombanger]
#5305189 - 02/16/06 12:00 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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do you mind if i call it potato crisps instead of christ, or perhaps mahogony.. yeah i like that word.
mahogony is eternal and is with us now and forever.
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eligal
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Re: the pain of Jesus, that I could not bear [Re: faslimy]
#5305207 - 02/16/06 12:10 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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faslimy said: do you mind if i call it potato crisps instead of christ, or perhaps mahogony.. yeah i like that word.
mahogony is eternal and is with us now and forever.
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