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llopez00
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LEVEL of Casing Colonization
#5299797 - 02/14/06 04:10 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I, as well as quite a few others here, am confused as to what people mean by "let the casing layer colonize before fruiting". When you guys say that, do you mean to let it colonize to where the top is completely white, as it is when you are letting WBS jars "fully colonize"? I'm confused about this because I've seen pics of "properly" colonized casing layers and they range from just a little bit of white being seen to the top of the casing looking like it has snow on it. What does "fully colonized" mean when it comes to a casing layer?
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Re: LEVEL of Casing Colonization [Re: llopez00]
#5299834 - 02/14/06 04:18 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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As soon as I see mycelium poking through, my trays go straight to my FC.
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Re: LEVEL of Casing Colonization [Re: srgtm1a]
#5299942 - 02/14/06 04:37 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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correct . in lamens terms:
Let the dirt and stuff that you injected become fully white. then go ahead and put it in the FC to fruit.
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Quote:
RemainRandom50 said: correct . in lamens terms:
Let the dirt and stuff that you injected become fully white. then go ahead and put it in the FC to fruit.
WTF???
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Re: LEVEL of Casing Colonization [Re: Premedman1]
#5300323 - 02/14/06 06:45 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: LEVEL of Casing Colonization [Re: llopez00]
#5300578 - 02/14/06 08:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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After a substrate is fully colonized, I add casing material (approximately 45 peat, 50 Vern, 5% coir, Ph adjusted & oyster shell flour added).
No exacting measurements, just eyeball approximations, excepting the Ph. Which I adjust to as close to 7.5 as possible).

With a substrate depth of 3.5 inches (in 12 quart trays), my casing cover thickness is approximately 1/2 or 5/8ths inch. Thinner substrates, slightly less, thicker substrates, slightly more.
After casing, I continue to incubate the tray until a even spread of rhizo appears across the trays surface.

If any one particular surface area shows excessive rhizo growth. I lightly sprinkle a very thin layer of new casing material over that spot, commonly refereed to as "patching". Hoping, it will all even out.
Once I have as even a spread of rhizo showing, as I think possible. I expose the tray to pinning triggers. (12/12 off/on light cycle, slight drop in temperature, 85 / 90% Rh & constant mild fresh air exchange).
At which time, primordia begins to form.
  
There are many differing casing mix recipes, numerous opinions on depth & when to expose a cased substrate to pinning triggers.
You just have to experiment, to find which works best for you.
It is astute, at the casing stage of the grow, to be VERY patient. New cultivators have a tendency to rush things, at this stage. Which most often leads to poor and/or uneven pinning.
Ponder, proverbs like, "the big dog gets the bone", or "the early bird gets the worm".
In a way, isolated first, or early pins that form, are able to draw more moisture / nutrients from the substrate, than those that are about to, or just beginning to form.
Meaning, isolated early bloomers, can/will tend to draw a disproportionately larger share of fruit body building essentials from a substrate, than those just beginning to form, or far less developed.
Often resulting a few scattered big dogs, and the remainder much smaller, many runts & aborts.
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Re: LEVEL of Casing Colonization [Re: agar]
#5302356 - 02/15/06 08:06 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks guys, that was very helpful. I guess I've been doing it right, I just need to get the pH from 6.5 to 7.5 and make the casing layer more even. So far, my best flush (2.5 oz dry ) was from one of my double tubs with a 5" substrate depth with a 3/4" casing layer that was allowed to go almost white on top before fruiting. I've heard of people getting 8-10 oz. dry per flush in the double tubs with a rare 16 oz. flush sometimes. I'm obviously doing something wrong but like you said, I just need to experiment I guess.
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