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    #5299473 - 02/14/06 02:40 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I got my test back for nutrition class. And i totally questioned how i got a zero on one of the short answers, in class... and he still wouldn't give me points, then i got an e-mail about giving me 2 points. and i replied back with an e-mail, then he replies back and tells me i have disrespected him from the tone of the e-mail.

TONE OF A FUCKING E-MAIL give me a break.

email 1:


Mr. XXXXXX:

I have reconsidered your request. I added two points to your score because
verbally you seem to have some idea of what the question asked.

I hope you find this satisfactory.


NO I DID NOT FIND THIS SATISFACTORY.

Replied e-mail.

I don't like losing points on material that i know. Its my fault if i didn't know the material but i knew it. 4 points is 8% of the test. That can mean a huge difference between an A and a B.

Without the 4 questions you deleted i would have been stuck at 41 points. that would be an 82% requiring me to reach at least a 98% on my next test to break even to 90% mark. With the 4 points i would be at the 90% mark making life much easier for the next test. big difference 4 points make. There is no guareentee that you will even remove questions. Do you see my point on how points count? Not even taking into account homework and quizzes. The point scale is so small that these things matter.

You said even in lecture that mechanical digestion is to make things smaller for better chemical digestion which does increase surface area. And all the notes that i have implies that its to make food smaller and easier for chemical digestion. Thats a big difference compared to what chemical digestion does that actually seperate the nutrients that i stated. Mechinical doesn't seperate the nutrients down to the molecules like chemical digestion. So the test question asked a difference. I stated one.

Your question wasn't crystal clear then.


Replied e-mail to mine:

Mr XXXXXX:

I understand the point scale unquestionably. What troubles me here are
several things. First, your overwhelming lack of respect for me and the
clear absence of a simple "Thank you" for granting you two additional
points, bringing your exam score to 48 out of 50. I strongly suggest
you watch your tone via the emails you send or any other time you
address me. Are we clear on that sir?

In regards to the question about mechanical and chemical digestion, most
students in class understood it just fine and got all four points. It's
unfortunate that you didn't but there is a long way to go in this class.


Reply e-mail to that e-mail:

Please explain the lack of respect i have given you. I am merely questioning the short answer and disagree with your findings with my opinion. And have broken down the points that you said i should not be worried about.

That could be disrespectful to me that you said to not be worried about my points. Undermining my intelligence.

Respect is all subjective.

And i don't understand how you can imply a TONE that i have given thru an e-mail.


I do want a clarification on your PERCEPTION of RESPECT, and what type of TONE you percieve i have had with you.


Thank you for the points.





So yeah.. I am nitpicky about my points in the beginning because i want to slack off at the end, and i will confront when i think things are fucked.

He wants war, i'll give him war. I am on the senate too, and we have powers to look over professors contracts. I'll be joining that commitee.


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Re: WOW [Re: Liquidkick]
    #5299475 - 02/14/06 02:41 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I hate bullheaded teachers.


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Re: WOW [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5299477 - 02/14/06 02:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Do you people think i was disrespectful?


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Re: WOW [Re: Liquidkick]
    #5299480 - 02/14/06 02:43 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

No. You just challenged his know-it-all position as a teacher. You implied that he did something wrong, that's why he's pissed. He's probably one of those teachers that thinks the student is always in the wrong and he can't be challenged.


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Re: WOW [Re: Liquidkick]
    #5299484 - 02/14/06 02:44 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

you're gonna have a hard time in this class

I suggest you really know your stuff


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Re: WOW [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5299489 - 02/14/06 02:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

ah, you guys so young...so naive.......


get used to this...it is life, ,it is the workplace...and a lot of times you will be right but not win...

its a bitter pill to swallow


but learn the lesson well


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    #5299494 - 02/14/06 02:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah definitely. THis class might jack my 4.0. Last semester i had another professor that thought they were the shit and what not giving me a damn B for computer art class. I was like hold up!.. this aint right, i rechecked all my assignments and averaged an A. Turns out that she marked me absent 6 times. I misssed 3 fucking classes. Had a little chat with her.. grade changed. I have her again this semseter. I don't take shit like this, i want what i earned. And i shouldn't need to give thanks to shit that i have earned.

Do you thank someone when you buy a fucking big ass screen tv with your hard earned money? THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY MONEY. BLAH BLAH BLAH.


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Re: WOW [Re: Liquidkick]
    #5299500 - 02/14/06 02:50 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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First, your overwhelming lack of respect for me





I think this = k3y.
I believe there is an issue that stretches further than the content of those emails. It's an interpersonal matter you two should best resolve, and no matter how right you think you are I'd say it's best to be humble and hear out what the problem is. If I listen to your posdting comments here:

Quote:

TONE OF A FUCKING E-MAIL give me a break. (..) NO I DID NOT FIND THIS SATISFACTORY.





You didnt write this but if this is your attitude then you might indeed have low respect for the man which provides fuel for conflict. And like it or not: the chips on the table are your grades. So try to be humble and work this out, there will probably be a reasonable way to do this.

Soulsearch, admit your wrongs and carefully point out this isn't exactly fair.

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Re: WOW [Re: Liquidkick]
    #5299502 - 02/14/06 02:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

learn to play the game


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    #5299513 - 02/14/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Wiccan:
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Quote:

Goobler:
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learn to play the game




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Re: WOW [Re: Liquidkick]
    #5299529 - 02/14/06 03:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Skip the email BS and just slash his tires.

Aside from that, he controls your grade, so as said above just take it like a child molester in prison.


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Re: WOW [Re: Asante]
    #5299532 - 02/14/06 03:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Ok, during the talk when i was disagreeing with him, i did say whatever a few times and thought he is full of shit. I never said he was full of shit though, i did storm off cause i was pissed.

And yeah, i'll play the game. I'll play the game with his job.

I did thank him for the points at the end of the e-mail.


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Re: WOW [Re: Liquidkick]
    #5299539 - 02/14/06 03:04 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I bet if you apologize - even though you've done nothing wrong - you'll score higher on the next exam.


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Re: WOW [Re: Adden]
    #5299551 - 02/14/06 03:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Man what 'college' do you go to? If I ever wrote one of my electrical engineering professors an email like that, theyd straight up kick me out of class. Or theyd make sure I never get into grad school. Honestly it was you who was being rude. I mean granted its a nutrition class which is bullshit, sorry if thats your major, but even still that would never fly here. Many professors are top people in their fields, and arent worried at fucking all about giving you some more points, or keeping your inflated GPA up, hell id probably take off all the points for an email like that.


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    #5299558 - 02/14/06 03:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Explain how i am being rude. EXPLAIN! I would have never ever questioned it if i didn't know jack shit about the short answer.

He wanted me to state specifically the exact difference which wasn't at all stated in the question.

It was only stated that describe a difference between mechanical and chemical digestion.

Yeah i could have thrown in all the terms, but the question didn't ask for it. He even said I don't want a long response. And i wrote done as brief as i could to ge the point across.


Am i undermining his intelligence? I am questioning the question itself.


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    #5299574 - 02/14/06 03:15 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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I bet if you apologize (..) you'll score higher on the next exam.




Exactemundo.
You can succumb to anger of anime-like proportions



but sometimes you got to let it slide. Your interactions with the guy now probably are not so important ten years after. But your grades will be!

I'm seeing alot of anger and, yes, contempt in the way you write about him. Just or unjust, that has rubbed off on him and, just or unjust, he took offense. That makes it your problem.
Swallow your pride now or flip burgers later.

Tone down your anger, young padawan. Years later you'll be so happy you did :thumbup:


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Re: WOW [Re: Asante]
    #5299587 - 02/14/06 03:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Learning to play the game sucks, and can be humiliating. However, you (or someone) is paying a good amount of money to play that game. If it isn't what you want, try another path in life. But have a plan.


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Re: WOW [Re: Liquidkick]
    #5299590 - 02/14/06 03:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Liquidkick said:
Explain how i am being rude. EXPLAIN! I would have never ever questioned it if i didn't know jack shit about the short answer.

He wanted me to state specifically the exact difference which wasn't at all stated in the question.

It was only stated that describe a difference between mechanical and chemical digestion.

Yeah i could have thrown in all the terms, but the question didn't ask for it. He even said I don't want a long response. And i wrote done as brief as i could to ge the point across.


Am i undermining his intelligence? I am questioning the question itself.




What are you kidding me? Are you even in a university? Is your 4.0 beause you are a dance major? You have to put the fucking terms down, thats the whole fucking point. You cant just idly explain the shit, he wants 'exactly' what is going on. Itd be like me on a physics final just saying, so like we all know the wave function does this and this, and so I mean while Im not gonna do the mathand shit, we all know what kinda answer will come out, I mean isnt it obvious.


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Re: WOW [Re: Liquidkick]
    #5299591 - 02/14/06 03:22 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

yes i am angry. I'll chill out, i await his clarification e-mail.

I don't get angry too often, but seriously this is ridiculous, its the question and wording, and he was like tough shit at first. I'll give in since it is my grade, for now.

But if i feel injustice again, i won't sit back.


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Re: WOW [Re: Liquidkick]
    #5299603 - 02/14/06 03:24 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

email him lemonparty


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Re: WOW [Re: Asante]
    #5299613 - 02/14/06 03:28 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You failed to question just the question when you attacked his whole class. The grading scale, and all of that. You got off track immediately. That is where you were rude. You didn't handle it in a way that was respectful. If you can't see that, nobody can explain it to you.

Now, a tangent, that has absolutely nothing to do with you, or your professor. You can take it as though it does, if you wish.

What the fuck is up with the self-righteousness of American students now-a-days? They don't deserve shit, but since they've been well-fed and pampered for their entire life, the feel like they don't have dues to pay. Undergraduate students are on the bottom of the wrung. They have everything to prove, and have no basis to rely on besides their personality and intellect.

Education isn't easy, whether the material is easy to comprehend or not. Most of it is inane and trivial, but that isn't what it's about. This is about the student coming into themselves, and somehow evolving into a human that can use the information gathered and further it.

I'm an angry engineering student.. but somehow, my professors love me.

Edit: There is absolutely NO injustice here. None. You have no say in that.


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Re: WOW [Re: TheCow]
    #5299615 - 02/14/06 03:28 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

No i am not some dance major, and i was a Comp E before i switched. I just switched last semester!

61 credits of general/IT Comp E. 4.0!

IT Physics 1/2
Calculas 1/2/3/4
Csci(Scheme)
Csci(Java)
Circuts 1

19 credits of Business. 4.0

All tests i have had that wanted specifics, stated so in the question.
I am only taking this nutrition class beacause i need health class, and i actually wouldn't mind knowing how nutrients work, so that i could myself tweak my food intake.


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Re: WOW [Re: Liquidkick]
    #5299622 - 02/14/06 03:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

He wanted me to state specifically the exact difference which wasn't at all stated in the question.
It was only stated that describe a difference between mechanical and chemical digestion.





Walk out of the logic and into the feeling. Chemical vs Mechanical digestion is the stuff the "Lemon Experience" thread in the Psychedelic Experience Forum is all about.
Forget digestion. You lost that battle and you can't undo that. Period.

You probably are under high stress and it's showing by hostile ways of addressing people.

Quote:


Explain how i am being rude. EXPLAIN! I would have never ever questioned it if i didn't know jack shit about the short answer.




Chill out a bit man!

Look, I'm telling you i'm noticing some stress and short-fuse temper in the way you post in this thread. It is a very important topic, you realize that. Focus on the feeling the guy has that you disrespect him. That has to change. Not by rational argument (you really should not disprove it :wink:) but by chilling out, apologizing and communicating. If he's reasonable then, like S_2 said, things will improve.

If you find that you don't really respect him theres work for you to do to at least handle that in a way that doesnt endanger your grades.

I am the third person and I see that he feels disrespected and that he might have a point.
You are not equals, you must remember that when discussing. He's basically the boss and you're his employee.

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Re: WOW [Re: Liquidkick]
    #5299623 - 02/14/06 03:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I find it hard to believe you passed calculus if you can't spell it. But I'll let that slide.

(This personal attack, as rude as it was, was brought on by a perception of tone.)


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Re: WOW [Re: Meraok]
    #5299627 - 02/14/06 03:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

He told me 4 points didn't matter when i talked to him in class that i would be fine.

He told me straight up i dont need the points.

I like all my points so i can slack off when the weather is nice and play some basketball or chill out at the lake.


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Re: WOW [Re: Meraok]
    #5299636 - 02/14/06 03:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

whatever.


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Re: WOW [Re: Liquidkick]
    #5299641 - 02/14/06 03:36 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I'd like to drink you to aid in both my mechanical, and chemical digestion.

Maybe the four points didn't matter. You should know that your grade depends more on how good of a student you are, rather than the mathematics behind scales.

There have been multiple times in my collegiate career that I have gotten a C or worse in a class, but the grading scale, but due to my relationship with the professor, I've come out ahead. Humans are social animals. We like other people's brains.


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    #5299644 - 02/14/06 03:37 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You are in for a real shock when you get into upper division comp e. Ha, especially if you want to start doing research.


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    #5299685 - 02/14/06 03:45 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I wont ever be in upper division Comp E, i am a biz major now. I didn't want to declare it when i reached my 60 credit limit. Something happened with me in circuits. I couldn't take it anymore. I can't deal any more with equations all day long, and drawing circuits. I had to take C++ next and i didn't want to deal with writing code, i found all of it extremely boring.

Its all about the money. Finance Major here.

I wouldnt mind being a pharmacist though... i probably should of went that route.


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Re: WOW [Re: Meraok]
    #5299732 - 02/14/06 03:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I'm chill 99% of the time. Some reason this bugged me.

Could be the extra alcohol lately.


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Re: WOW [Re: Liquidkick]
    #5300816 - 02/14/06 08:56 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

and here is the final e-mail, i'll have to do a face off with him in the office.

Mr. XXXXXX:

I absolutely refuse to have e-mail wars with you. My time is far too
valuable for such behavior. I'd like to see you in my office at 5:30 pm
February 27. You and I are clearly not on the same page.


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    #5300833 - 02/14/06 09:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Ouch.


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Re: WOW [Re: TheCow]
    #5301048 - 02/14/06 09:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

That's pretty fucking funny, I'm sorry man... but it is.


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Re: WOW [Re: Liquidkick]
    #5302061 - 02/15/06 03:26 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

haha

You need to learn not to piss off those who are in a position to piss on you. You were really pushing it over a couple of points on a test.


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Re: WOW [Re: Meraok]
    #5302125 - 02/15/06 04:41 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Meraok said:
You failed to question just the question when you attacked his whole class. The grading scale, and all of that. You got off track immediately. That is where you were rude. You didn't handle it in a way that was respectful. If you can't see that, nobody can explain it to you.





along with this, a few of the words or the way the words were used do give a literary offensive tone. im not sure how to describe it but the moment i started reading your email you sent to him went "uh oh". when dealing with teachers you must be very tactful. when ever i have any arguments with my teachers i try very hard to be respectful and careful with words used, along with body language. if youre not good at self control and need time to think of your responses then an email is a good method, but with face to face you can smile while actually saying (with careful wording) something contradictory to what he would want you to say and he wont be offended.

yes maybe youre right, but its just a few points and the only reason you want it is so you can be lazy later, maybe he sees that. if i was a teacher and a student started bitching about a few small points in a test where it could go either way, then id say screw him and not give him the points. if he came up politely instead of demanding getting the points back, if he said it would help alot if he could get those points or do extra credit work to make it up, then id give the points.

a teacher is just a person, so although what youre saying is mathematically correct, emotionally its wrong.

well the emails are over anyway, i advice sucking it up and trying to be careful of the words you use to prove a point and not to be agressive like you are in your posts (and a little bit in your email to him). you pissed him off, the only way you will be able to even discuss getting the points back is to make him feel less offended.


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    #5302994 - 02/15/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

we'll see how the meeting goes, and i understand he is in the position of power. But if he abuses any part of that in the future, i will fight back and try and get him removed.

Oh and i think he might be low on the scale of respect now, cause everytime i think about this, i get extremely hostile. Maybe some OCD or something.


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    #5303003 - 02/15/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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goobler said:
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    #5303005 - 02/15/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

maybe just sign his e-mail up too some lists?


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Re: WOW [Re: Liquidkick]
    #5303124 - 02/15/06 01:14 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

nah, you really just need to get off your trip your on...

oh and try to get him removed, unless there are MANY MANY reports of this all you will get is a reputation that the faculty will remember


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Re: WOW [Re: goobler]
    #5303682 - 02/15/06 03:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

you kidding me?

I work very closely with the president and all the people who run the place. Part of the senate dude. And the wonderful thing that the college gives us is power to review the professors and make decesions on who the college hires/keeps. Currently we are going over applicants for the new VP of the college. We literally are in the interview process.

I think i am gonna let him know that i took his comment of watching my tone with him as a threat. Cause i do think thats why i am going nuts.

And yeah, i do need to calm down... I have gotten to the point that i have thought about bodily harm on this dude.

Something really irritated me.


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OfflinePinballWizard
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Re: WOW [Re: Liquidkick]
    #5303703 - 02/15/06 04:03 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

In my experience, teachers thrive soley on the fact that they are infallible. Why would you want to emulate someone who makes mistakes?


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Re: WOW [Re: PinballWizard]
    #5306955 - 02/16/06 01:14 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

So yeah, i talked to the dean of students today, one of my advisors.

He was like well this dude is only filling in, he's a part timer.. we'll just let him go if needed.


:smile:  i am gonna talk to the dude 2 mondays from now and if he acts up, definitely gonna have to do something about it.


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Re: WOW [Re: Liquidkick]
    #5329499 - 02/22/06 08:59 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

woah, where do you go to school?


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