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Woot! Freeloaders booted.
    #5299150 - 02/14/06 01:04 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Woot! Freeloaders booted. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #5299509 - 02/14/06 02:53 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

they never should have gotten government assistance in the first place. if you build your home in a flood-prone area, or a hurricane-prone area, or a fault line, or a volcano, that's your risk. this is a government subsidy encouraging living in disaster-prone areas.


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Re: Woot! Freeloaders booted. [Re: wilshire]
    #5299569 - 02/14/06 03:14 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

is there anywhere you can live thats not at some risk of a natural disaster occuring??...by your logic..if "the terrorists" did manage to get hold of a bomb..and you were left homeless as a result..then its your fault...strike that..in the case of both posters above..it *is* their fault...


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Re: Woot! Freeloaders booted. [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5299815 - 02/14/06 04:14 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Annapurna1 said:
is there anywhere you can live thats not at some risk of a natural disaster occuring??...by your logic..if "the terrorists" did manage to get hold of a bomb..and you were left homeless as a result..then its your fault...strike that..in the case of both posters above..it *is* their fault...




I think if you take a moment and think, you'll see that there is a substantial amount of stupidity involved in living in a flood plain. Near the ocean (or gulf). Below sea level. In an area known for huge storms.

That rises to a special level of stupidity.

And pray tell.... how is a group of terrorists detonating a bomb a "natural disaster"?

Perhaps counting by ones, to say..... 150,000,000 might be in order before you post.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: Woot! Freeloaders booted. [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5299853 - 02/14/06 04:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Risks vary. For instance, the chance that San Francisco will be whacked with a massive earthquake in the next hundred years is very high. The chance of it happening in NYC is very low.

It is very sad that you equate the actions of malicious humans with a force of nature. You have already given up. You have entered the Dhimmi zone. I'm glad that I have not yet realized my defeat and blissfully continue to try to affect the things that I can. Two questions (well four actually):

Has anyone ever successfully deflected a hurricane or tornado or earthquake?

Has anyone ever successfully deterred or otherwise prevented an attack by humans?

Are you a sub? Will you put this on?


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Re: Woot! Freeloaders booted. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #5299892 - 02/14/06 04:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yea, how great the big government racists are for abandoning their fellow countrymen because they're black.


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Re: Woot! Freeloaders booted. [Re: daimyo]
    #5300024 - 02/14/06 04:56 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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daimyo said:
Yea, how great the big government racists are for abandoning their fellow countrymen because they're black.


:rofl2:


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Re: Woot! Freeloaders booted. [Re: daimyo]
    #5300187 - 02/14/06 05:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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daimyo said:
Yea, how great the big government racists are for abandoning their fellow countrymen because they're black.




Pretty sad that you automaticly assume the freeloaders are black.


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Re: Woot! Freeloaders booted. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5300202 - 02/14/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Pretty sad that you automaticly assume the freeloaders are black.




It is hard not to when the idea has been pounded into our heads by those who are supposedly "looking out for the best interests of african americans". Appearantly, it is in the african american community's best interests to appear helpless and dependent.

That was sarcasm for those of you who will undoubtedly not understand.


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Re: Woot! Freeloaders booted. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5300305 - 02/14/06 06:37 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Pretty sad that you automaticly assume the freeloaders are black.



I blame the media.


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Re: Woot! Freeloaders booted. [Re: daimyo]
    #5300318 - 02/14/06 06:43 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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daimyo said:
Yea, how great the big government racists are for abandoning their fellow countrymen because they're black.




No, actually, you seemed to be blaming someone other than the media. Or are you catching on?


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InvisibleAnnapurna1
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Re: Woot! Freeloaders booted. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5300348 - 02/14/06 06:56 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Quote:

daimyo said:
Yea, how great the big government racists are for abandoning their fellow countrymen because they're black.




Pretty sad that you automaticly assume the freeloaders are black.




even sadder that you automaticly assume that victims of govt negligence are freeloaders...


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Re: Woot! Freeloaders booted. [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5300388 - 02/14/06 07:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

even sadder that you automaticly assume that victims of govt negligence are freeloaders...

i thought there was a hurricane, no?


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Re: Woot! Freeloaders booted. [Re: wilshire]
    #5300406 - 02/14/06 07:16 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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wilshire said:
even sadder that you automaticly assume that victims of govt negligence are freeloaders...

i thought there was a hurricane, no?



Yes, but GW waved his magic wand and caused it.

All by himself.

No, really.

Stop laughing!

He did.

I know because the Loch Ness monster told me so.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: Woot! Freeloaders booted. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5300534 - 02/14/06 07:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

daimyo said:
Yea, how great the big government racists are for abandoning their fellow countrymen because they're black.




No, actually, you seemed to be blaming someone other than the media. Or are you catching on?




Now now, are you deliberately trying to twist my words? I blame the government for abandoning blacks(sarcastically of course), and the media for programming me into thinking the freeloaders are black.

Besides, I was being serious. I really am glad they took this baby step. Now they just have to stop giving them stipends altogether and I will have no qualms.


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Re: Woot! Freeloaders booted. [Re: daimyo]
    #5301263 - 02/14/06 10:41 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I live in a city that has virtually no natural disasters. Id say there is no major city in the country (US) that is safer from natural disaster than Phoenix. Our biggest natural advertisy is lack of water, and a perpetual drought (going on ten years). We are at about 117 days without rain now.

If the water dried up, which is my citys biggest danger, I would expect the federal government to help out during the emergency, but not for years to come. The water problem is Phoenix's problem, just as the flood problem is the coasts problem and tornados are the midwests problem. Helping for a few days in an emergency life and death situation where local authorities are swamped is what the federal governemt should do. Building resivoirs, levys, and shelters to prevent further destruction is what local governemtns should do.

I dont know if that made sense im stoned


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Re: Woot! Freeloaders booted. [Re: DieCommie]
    #5301296 - 02/14/06 10:50 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
Helping for a few days in an emergency life and death situation where local authorities are swamped is what the federal governemt should do.  Building resivoirs, levys, and shelters to prevent further destruction is what local governemtns should do.



Agreed 110% :thumbup:


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Re: Woot! Freeloaders booted. [Re: DieCommie]
    #5302154 - 02/15/06 05:06 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

SO are you saying, at any time, the federal gov shouldn't provide assistance to localities who've suffered severely from a national disaster. If Phoenix's citizens, who have paid for federal assistance for years to other areas of the country, run into some kind of water crisis you say they deserve no fed government assistance?

Don't take this into a New Orleans-type scenario, stick to your hypothetical. If Phoenix got struck by some freak disaster I would not blame its citizens for living there, except for their bad taste. And I would not object to the federal government giving Phoenix assistance to rebuild its economy. Phoenix did its part in the past and when its their turn they will get it, despite your feigned rejections.



At what point does a locality deserve federal assistance because of a natural disaster? How are you going to implement any kind of way of discerning this without having a federal agency rate and qualify local lands, therefore altering land values, creating a whole new bureaucracy, and further bloating the federal government's power?


This kinda thing is the whole point of federalism, and the only thing it is good for. Without it you might as well suggest we dissolve the federal government completely, in which case you might be onto something.


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Re: Woot! Freeloaders booted. [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #5303514 - 02/15/06 03:18 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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DirtMcgirt said:
SO are you saying, at any time, the federal gov shouldn't provide assistance to localities who've suffered severely from a national [natural] disaster[?]


  No not at all.  Either you didnt read my post or didnt understand it.
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DirtMcgirt said: If Phoenix's citizens, who have paid for federal assistance for years to other areas of the country, run into some kind of water crisis you say they deserve no fed government assistance? 


Again, no.  If you dont want to read my whole post, just read the area Paradigm quoted.

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DirtMcgirt said:I would not blame its citizens for living there, except for their bad taste. 


low blow...:thebird:


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Re: Woot! Freeloaders booted. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #5312256 - 02/17/06 10:40 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

Annapurna1 said:
is there anywhere you can live thats not at some risk of a natural disaster occuring??...by your logic..if "the terrorists" did manage to get hold of a bomb..and you were left homeless as a result..then its your fault...strike that..in the case of both posters above..it *is* their fault...




I think if you take a moment and think, you'll see that there is a substantial amount of stupidity involved in living in a flood plain. Near the ocean (or gulf). Below sea level. In an area known for huge storms.

That rises to a special level of stupidity.

And pray tell.... how is a group of terrorists detonating a bomb a "natural disaster"?




Hi, everybody!
(Hello, Doctor Gern!)

I think what Annapurna is trying to get at here is that by natural extension of your logic, the following could be concluded:
Since 2 major cities have been struck by terrorist actions in the United States, killing many.
Since this is a known occurrence and the probability of another attack is, at the very least, moderate, all people who live in big cities live there knowing that their city could be attacked.
Since they know this, IF an attack ever comes, it's their own fault for living in a big city, and as such, the federal government has little or no responsibility to said people. They should have known better.

I'm not sure that attempting to differentiate between "natural disaster" and "terrorist attack" has any relevance in the nature of the argument. Either the government has some responsibility to its citizens in case of "disaster", or it doesn't. The nature of the disaster is irrelevant.


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