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Re: How long will I yearn for cigarettes? [Re: kotik]
    #5302400 - 02/15/06 08:45 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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my current technique is to not buy cigs, only bum them. that way i am either limited to smoking in social situations, and it limits how many I smoke (mostly because my friends start to get more and more pissy about it as I keep bumming).





LOL! I can remember my parents saying about certain people, "He didn't quit smoking, he just quit buying!" They would always get angry at those folks.

But yeah, I really do plan to keep up with this. I'm just planning for the long haul, and i"m wondering just how long that "haul' will be.

I got to thinking about it the other day, and I realized that although I had been smoking for 17 years, I'd really been smoking all my life, since I was born to smokers and lived with second hand smoke all those years. Heck, I was swimming in nicotine soup in the womb!

MMMM... nicotine soup.....


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Re: How long will I yearn for cigarettes? [Re: kotik]
    #5302410 - 02/15/06 08:54 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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yes but that is almost like saying snorting flour is nearly harmless for you if you are trying to quit cocaine.




What?! Thats ridiculous!

Cigarettes are loaded with chemicals, nicotine, and all sorts of CRAP. It sounds like you are saying all smoke is bad. How many people would say get cancer from smoking only cannabis?

I'm not saying that smoking herbs is necessarily good for you, but certainly FAR less dangerous than cigarettes, and may help with extreme cravings to just "light up".


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Re: How long will I yearn for cigarettes? [Re: Christoph teh goat luvr]
    #5302531 - 02/15/06 09:50 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

then the analogy worked.  When put in contrast with things like cocaine and the chemicals in cigarettes, snorting pixie sticks and smoking cloves don't seem to be ridiculous.

I would argue that snorting sugar or flour would be FAR less dangerous than cocaine, and would help with extreme cravings just to "snort up."

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Re: How long will I yearn for cigarettes? [Re: kotik]
    #5303194 - 02/15/06 01:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You really think so? I am willing to bet that if you railed a line of sugar you would cause extreme nasal damage. Their is a big difference man. Not to mention that's just disgusting. Smoking herbs isn't uncommon, but have you ever heard of people trying to snort sugar?!


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Re: How long will I yearn for cigarettes? [Re: Christoph teh goat luvr]
    #5303288 - 02/15/06 01:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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have you ever heard of people trying to snort sugar?!




heard of it? ive seen that and much worse. in fact, when i was still in middle school there was a group of kids that got kicked out of school for snorting koolaid in class.

recently (well a few years ago) my roommate (who was a crackhead) snorted who knows how much baby laxative because he kept going to his cousins house for free coke, and he got sick of it and started giving him whatever.

I'm not throwing out what-ifs, im trying to relate the same situation on much more dramatic terms.


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Re: How long will I yearn for cigarettes? [Re: kotik]
    #5303359 - 02/15/06 02:25 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, we snorted everything in middle school....

The point is, you said that smoking herbs to help cig addiction is the same as snorting sugar etc. That is a very stupid analogy. I would never recommend anyone to snort sugar or flower. That is not only idiotic but it's dangerous. Smoking herbs in moderation is FAR less dangerous than cigarettes or snorting sugar!

I'm not sure I even understand the point of your posts. Are you saying that smoking herbs is dangerous and bad advice? Please don't post if you don't have anything usefully to say....


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Re: How long will I yearn for cigarettes? [Re: Christoph teh goat luvr]
    #5303867 - 02/15/06 05:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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The point is, you said that smoking herbs to help cig addiction is the same as snorting sugar etc. That is a very stupid analogy.





no, you are missing one element of it.  I am saying that smoking herbs to help a cig addiction is the same as snorting sugar to help a cocaine addiction.  i fail to see why it is so "stupid."  just as the smoker yearns to light up *something* and inhale it to give rest to the physical / tactile sensations that come about from the addiction.. the snorting of a placebo-type compound (much like the herb replacing the tobacco) is an accurate analogy.  Perhaps you are just being close minded.

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Are you saying that smoking herbs is dangerous and bad advice? Please don't post if you don't have anything usefully to say....




smoking anything is dangerous.  telling someone who is trying to avoid smoking (I assume for the health risks associated with it) to smoke something else in its place is in fact bad advice.  Maybe not lethal advice that could kill someone, but it undermines the entire point of quitting smoking.

How about this analogy: a Heroin addict goes to a clinic and is prescribed Oxycontin to help him with his addiction.  Now, instad of being addicted to heroin, he is addicted to Oxycontin.  The doctors (who are getting paid by the way) would all argue that it is all for the best, however the addict ( say this with some experience, personal and close friends have been very much affected by OC) would probably argue that the cravings, the ups and the downs are all pretty much the same, its just a different pusher, and it comes in a different package.

same thing..  you are still feeding into your addiction, just putting a different face on it.  I hope that was "usefully to say"

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Re: How long will I yearn for cigarettes? [Re: kotik]
    #5305494 - 02/16/06 04:09 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

> While nicotine is borderline poison

Corretion, nicotine is an extremly toxic poison... it is used as a pesticide... I used to have a bottle of pure nicotine in my lab and treated it with the same respect that I did the potassium cyanide.

LD50 of alcohol is around 9000 mg/kg (oral/rat)
LD50 of asprin is around 1500 mg/kg (oral/rat)
LD50 of MDMA is around 350 mg/kg (oral/rat)
LD50 of nicotine is around 50 mg/kg (oral/rat)
LD50 of strychnine is around 16 mg/kg (oral/rat)
LD50 of potassium cyanide is 10 mg/kg (oral/rat)

(Remember, rats are not people, thus the LD50s in people may be somewhat different.)


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Re: How long will I yearn for cigarettes? [Re: Seuss]
    #5305506 - 02/16/06 04:25 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

yes while i was in the military they actually taught us how to make an odorless, tasteless poison out of a single pack of skoal. There is enough nicotine in a single pack of cigs, or a single skoal to kill a human being.


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Re: How long will I yearn for cigarettes? [Re: Gliders]
    #5308186 - 02/16/06 06:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

The initial days are easy (well, easier than one would think).

The hard part is to not have one after rationalizing "I got this beat, I can have ONE." As you already know this, I would say as someone already recommended, just keep realizing how good you smell without the aroma of burnt dirty tobacco lingering with you all day.

Remember that although a cig someone is smoking looks tasty, and you yearn for a puff or whatever, you can't keep it to a minimum. You'll most likely have another in a short time. Then another. Then another.

It's easy to view it as tasty looking, but after seeing someone suck down a pack throughout the course of a night, (and hear that plegthm they are hacking up), it definetly (IMO) loses its luster.

That being said, I'm on day 2 of my new quit..I had quit for about a month and a half, then bummed one, (while hammered), then bought a pack, then got back in the groove for two weeks.

It's hard shit.


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Re: How long will I yearn for cigarettes? [Re: Boom]
    #5308368 - 02/16/06 07:36 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

It really is hard shit. Good luck to you, Boom. Amazing how that one cig leads inevitably towards another, isn't it? I swear it has to be the most addictive substance there is.


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Re: How long will I yearn for cigarettes? [Re: Gliders]
    #5309044 - 02/16/06 10:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

well techinically sugar is a more addictive drug, which is also approved by society. but they both really suck.


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