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Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline)
#5298346 - 02/14/06 07:55 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Anyone know what the average life expectancy of a Vicks cool mist Impeller type humidifier?
I have bought these brand new from the store, and they only seem to last a month...
All of a sudden, it just stops working, and won't power on. I have tried to take it apart but have been unsuccessfull....
Anyone know what the problem is? I have had to replace the humidifiers about once a month.... and I have 3 greenhouses. This kinda sux.
But the big kick in the ass.... is i made a new one 5 days ago, and it's alreay Bunk. I can't take it back because i drilled a hole in it! Please advise??!?
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Re: Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline) [Re: Oatman2000]
#5298362 - 02/14/06 08:05 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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How many cool mist humidifiers have you gone through now? That seems extremely short of a time period, and pretty worthless if you ask me. I dont think it would have ever made it into a tek if they all only last 1 month. I havent used one yet but was planning on it when I made my setup and am curious to know too.
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Re: Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline) [Re: Oatman2000]
#5298377 - 02/14/06 08:11 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline) [Re: HippieChick]
#5298485 - 02/14/06 09:26 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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^^^
they do tend to break a lot, i probably went throuh 1 every 6 weeks. but thats the beauty of the "mart" stores, unlimited exchanges forever! suckas
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Re: Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline) [Re: Omnicracker]
#5298500 - 02/14/06 09:37 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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i have tried to take the screws out.... i think there is one i am missing????
anyone know how to take a vicks cool mist apart?
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Re: Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline) [Re: Oatman2000]
#5298590 - 02/14/06 10:14 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Putting them back together is the hard part. There is a metal plate above the motor with the holes tapped into it for those screws. It's a real bitch to line up that plate. The motor itself is a common 'fart fan' motor available at lowes or home depot, but really not worth the effort to change out unless it's all you can afford. You can get the motor for $8.
Here's the deal. The hose you're running is creating backpressure which forces mist into the motor bushings, ruining them. I was going through humidifiers just like you are before I discovered this. Simply place the humidifier on a shelf in your greenhouse. It will last a year that way. However, they have a two year warranty. As long as you don't drill holes in it, you can return for credit when it fails. The main problem inside the greenhouse is the bushings will get coated with spores and they will also ruin it, but not for a year or so. If it's full of spores, and that is what caused the motor to fail, I'd recommend playing it safe by just tossing it out and buying another though. RR
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Re: Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline) [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5298705 - 02/14/06 10:47 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Could it be that most people have them on the floor and outlet way above making the cool mist work harder in forcing the mist upwards in thin tubing? Maybe if the cool mist was placed above the stress on the motor could be reduced?
Just guessing....
/Dr.
EDIT: I have to type faster... and finish the post before leaving the computer, RR was faster...
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Re: Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline) [Re: Dr_Demented]
#5298863 - 02/14/06 11:35 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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"Could it be that most people have them on the floor and outlet way above making the cool mist work harder in forcing the mist upwards in thin tubing? Maybe if the cool mist was placed above the stress on the motor could be reduced?"
i had mine above my FC...
 and i still had that problem. then again, i recall now that of the two that broke; one of them got filled too high with water (motor submerged) and the other was already used from goodwill.
so maybe that is the case, i dont know.
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Re: Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline) [Re: Omnicracker]
#5298937 - 02/14/06 11:51 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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What size hoses are you guys using?
Omni it looks like your using a pool filter hose correct? 1-1/4" or 1-1/2"
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Re: Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline) [Re: JustK]
#5298975 - 02/14/06 12:01 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah, pool hose. 1-1/4" i think a smooth hose would be more effecient, but the pool hose is just so damn cheap.
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Re: Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline) [Re: Omnicracker]
#5299186 - 02/14/06 01:15 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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What about stepping up to an 1-1/2" Pool Hose? that might help to cut down on the back pressure the smaller hose is creating.
You can also try using flexible PVC from a hardware or pool store. It can be purchased per ft, is smooth on the inside, and comes in wider range of sizes up to 2-1/2"
I am interested in building a Martha too, but do not want to encounter this problem of cool mist machines breaking down on me left and right. Plus I like modding things anyways...
If you don't want to fool with it anymore just follow RR's advice and put the unit inside of the FC. It seems the best solution to me.
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Re: Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline) [Re: JustK]
#5299571 - 02/14/06 03:14 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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go with RR's advice and put it inside. i never got to try this before i stopped using mine, but it seems to work just fine.
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Re: Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline) [Re: Omnicracker]
#5302661 - 02/15/06 10:49 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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i also saw a post where someone taped a funnell to the opening with a hose comming out of that... this way, if you experience a prob. take the funnell off and, just take it back.
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Re: Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline) [Re: Oatman2000]
#5302698 - 02/15/06 11:00 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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you could try ultrasonics on a timer, mine has been running for like 2 months and still no problems, it doesn't do much for the FAE
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Re: Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline) [Re: CapCaptain]
#5303397 - 02/15/06 02:38 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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yea i know.... i migrated from a ultrasonic.
i don't like em... but they work as a backup. (WITH A TIMER)
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Re: Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline) [Re: Oatman2000]
#5303592 - 02/15/06 03:36 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Is the problem just with the cool mists? The motors burn up b/c of the back pressure? How would an ultrasonic with say an aquarium air pump sitting at the bottom do? Would an aquarium air pump do enough FAE for a shelve system?
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Re: Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline) [Re: pipeDream]
#5303646 - 02/15/06 03:49 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Not in such a large area. I think the volume of these Martha and greenhouse setups have a much larger volume than most fishtanks. There are some huge ass tanks out there and I'm sure air pumps exist that could work for such volume (or by using multiple pumps), but it's not efficient costwise IMO.
Coolmists can be had cheaply and they work...for a period of time.
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Re: Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline) [Re: JustK]
#5303844 - 02/15/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have accumulated a closet full of coolmists & coolmist clones from thrift stores, all for $2, or $3 apiece. Bigger outlet hose extends the motor life, as that lowers back pressure.
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Re: Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline) [Re: agar]
#5304608 - 02/15/06 08:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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ya I went looking down at all the local thrift shops here and no cool mists. Most of the guys there are a bunch of old hacks and weren't too friendly when I went in there. Then the local walgreens sells the vicks coolmist impeller type for 27 bucks. Like taking a kick to the groin. I dont know if all this coolmist stuff is worth the hassle. What other methods are there that can keep the humidity up and offer great FAE in a martha type setup without using a coolmist?
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Re: Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline) [Re: pipeDream]
#5305247 - 02/16/06 12:30 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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The cool mists do not burn out because of back pressure. Who thought that one up? These are induction motors, not brush motors. There is nothing to burn up in there. What usually happens is that the motor freezes up with rust and won't spin up one day. The best way to prevent it is to never store a cool mist with water in the chamber. And if you are running a cool mist off and on, you are asking for it. They won't last long like that because when they are off with water in the chamber, they are rusting.
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Re: Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline) [Re: Blue Helix]
#5305706 - 02/16/06 07:03 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I said it first. The backpressure forces water into the bushings, which ruins them, and the increased load burns out the motor. That is a fact. Nobody thought it up. Also, an induction motor is very capable of 'burning up'. It has windings and current flow. The presence of brushes has nothing to do with whether a motor can burn up or not. With bad bushings, the excess current flow caused by the increased load smokes the windings. RR
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Re: Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline) [Re: Blue Helix]
#5305857 - 02/16/06 08:04 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
Blue Helix said: The cool mists do not burn out because of back pressure. Who thought that one up? These are induction motors, not brush motors. There is nothing to burn up in there. What usually happens is that the motor freezes up with rust and won't spin up one day. The best way to prevent it is to never store a cool mist with water in the chamber. And if you are running a cool mist off and on, you are asking for it. They won't last long like that because when they are off with water in the chamber, they are rusting.
Maybe that's why ultrasonics last longer, because the motor is only used to shake a flat piece of metal and it doesn't come in contact with water
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Re: Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline) [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5306050 - 02/16/06 09:25 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I guess I never have a problem because I never run with super high back pressure like that then. I have always covered the intake about 80% with masking tape. If I run my unit without covering the input like that, water drips out of the water seal anyway from all the back pressure. Stop running them with all that back pressure and maybe they would stop freezing up. I've been using the same Kaz unit for two years and thousands of hours. Before that I froze two units before I figured out that you can't let them sit even for a week with water in them.
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Re: Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline) [Re: Blue Helix]
#5306390 - 02/16/06 11:03 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hold on so are you saying you covered the intake about 80% or the original exhaust about 80%? Wasn't sure if you kept it from sucking in the maximum amount of air or if you let some air out the original exhaust while pumping air up through a hose.
My apologies for my denseness if this question seems stupid.
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Re: Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline) [Re: Oatman2000]
#5307280 - 02/16/06 02:30 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes, I restricted the intake by covering it most of the way with masking tape to prevent the backpressure from splashing water all over the place. If you are restricting the output, you might as well restrict the intake too.
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Re: Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline) [Re: Blue Helix]
#5307547 - 02/16/06 03:41 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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i have some pool (blue) hose like omnicracker
do you think this will help out? i'm getting real good at moddin these humidifiers. (rotozip)
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Blue Helix said: Yes, I restricted the intake by covering it most of the way with masking tape to prevent the backpressure from splashing water all over the place. If you are restricting the output, you might as well restrict the intake too.
so i should cover 80% of the intake? sounds wierd, but for now i'll try anything.... i buy new one's each time, and 3 greenhouses. Yikes! $$$
all my 2nd hand stores have nothing, either that or i just go at bad times. There's another mycofan in my town i know it!
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Re: Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline) [Re: Oatman2000]
#5307567 - 02/16/06 03:49 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I would not restrict an intake.
I try to match the outlet size hose/pipe or whatever.
To the same dimension of the original outlet, before adapting it to hose.
That way you stay near what it's design spec's are.
For instance, if the outlet size is 3 square inches.
3...... separate 1 inch hoses would be about equal.
Ribbed pool type hose works great & doesn't kink. (found it at truevalue hardware store for cheap.)
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Re: Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline) [Re: agar]
#5307587 - 02/16/06 03:52 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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yes, but i also have a distance to travel... should i decrease this distance?

I also got these a while ago, but have never use them..,..

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Re: Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline) [Re: Oatman2000]
#5307597 - 02/16/06 03:56 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I would suggest you do.
Less distance = less restriction.
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Re: Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline) [Re: agar]
#5307618 - 02/16/06 04:03 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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That's my G/f's setup... i have mine sitting on a 5 gal bucket.
When i get home from work, i will move her's to a 5 gal bucket too...
Thanks!! hopefully this will help out, and maybee i'll add mor hose outlets to relieve pressure.
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Re: Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline) [Re: Oatman2000]
#5308231 - 02/16/06 07:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Might sound weird, but there are about three ways to reduce these puppies:
1) Re-direct some of the output to a different place keeping the overall output non-restricted. This sucks because now you have to refill the water daily.
2) Restrict the output only - this sucks because the water splashed out of the unit from the back pressure and, in some cases I guess, water is driven into the bearings.
3) Restrict the input and output proportionally - this is great because it works without any bad effects and you don't have the fill the chamber much.
You can do what you want, but I can tell you that restricting the input doesn't hurt these units. We aren't dealing with a water pump here where the input restriction is going to burn it up. Besides, I already have proven it works fine. Just do it and stop worrying about it.
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Re: Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline) [Re: Blue Helix]
#5311003 - 02/17/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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i'll try it out... no complaints from me. i am runnig out of things to buy for this hobby anyway. i just hate going in there being like " Hiya shirley... getting another coolmist today...haha"
"ok...have a nice day!"
taping it as we speak.... intake being same diameter as output,.
(also, i placed it up on a 5 gal bucket) - Thanks Agar, and Blue Helix
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Re: Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline) [Re: Oatman2000]
#5311084 - 02/17/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Dont make it the same diameter if they werent the same diameter to start with though. Like blue helix said "proportionally," Say if you tape of the output 50% then tape off the input 50% too, making them the same diameter if they werent to start with is going to throw it all off and you might just end up with another broken cool mist depending on the diameters.
And to RR's post above, it seems like if you put it inside the greenhouse there will be no FAE, instead just recirculating the air inside, and in the big picture kind of destroying one of the big reasons for using a cool mist all together. Don't know if thats true, since I have not used one that way before but in theory it seems to be kind of counterproductive.
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Re: Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline) [Re: pipeDream]
#5312917 - 02/18/06 08:48 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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also i don't wanna waste the space. sitting on the shelf could be another casing tray.
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Re: Cool Mist Lifespan.........____ (Flatline) [Re: Oatman2000]
#5328250 - 02/22/06 02:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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ya know! i am getting sick of this!
Another one down the drain! Broken, as of yesterday.
** I am not going to modify these anymore, just STUFF the hose in there and tape up the remaining open spots.
i thought there would be a problem with contams on the masking tape, but with the lifespan of these things anyway. there shouldn't be any worry... i would say they are lasting about 2 weeks.
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