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SooperShroomer
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First Grow!
#5298033 - 02/14/06 04:01 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hi guys, Im about to start my first grow, and I have been reading up for a couple weeks and Im finally confident that I have the understanding to pull this off! But first I need to clarify a few things. Im going to use the bag tek, i ordered bags with filter patches and impulse sealer and have my pressure cooker, incubator, and am in the process of building a controlled greenhouse. The only thing that I am confused about is what substrate to put in the bags, i ordered 2 texas strain and 2 b+ syringes. Im thinking WBS but after full colonization would i need to remove it from the bag and simply let it grow or would i need to use a casing over it. some teks I have read stated if you put the optimal mixture in the bag in the beginning no casing is needed. These had manure, compost and stuff like that which is not readily available to me. (which is why using wbs and some casing was attractive.) also if i did need to use casing, would i break up the contents of the bag and put casing all around it, or simply just add it around the sides, top and bottom? lastly, if i have 4 syringes (40cc's right?) would it be better to do 2 bags with more substrate and 20cc's each, or do a little less substrate and do 10 to each bag and do 4 bags? Thanks guys! cant wait to get started and get you guys some more coveted mycoporn!
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Well, the spawn bag tek you're talking about involves using an LC to inoculate the bags. With spores, growth would be slower. Either way, you need to make sure that the water content is correct to account for the added water from the syringes. You don't want any standing water in the bags after inoculation.
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Re: First Grow! [Re: FooMan]
#5298260 - 02/14/06 07:13 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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You could inoculate some spores from a syringe into a grow-bag. I have done it. Had a bag with rye, squirted some spores in and shaked the bag thoroughly. It works. But don't do a full syringe in each bag! If you fail you will have no spores left. You don't say how big the bags are or how much you will put in them.
As for your casing question. Once your bags is fully colonized. Just break the substrate apart. Place in opaque containers and top with a casing layer such as the 50/50 tek.
Cover the containers with saran wrap or tin foil. Place your containers back in incubator for 24 hour. Remove saran/tin foil and place container in fruiting chamber.
Be sure to read Hypheas "pinning strategy" and "casing 101" for a good understanding how to case.
Good Luck.
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SooperShroomer
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Im sorry what is an LC, also the spawn bags I was planning on using measure Measuring 21 x 8.25 x 4.75 inches, these bags are larger than most spawn bags, allowing them to hold more material. Widely used by mushroom growers throughout the world. Would WBS still be a viable substrate or would something better work? Awesome info guys thanks!
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LC= Liquid Culture
WBS is a great substrate. I would mix it with vermiculite or coir to help regulate and maintain moisture, especially with a large amount of WBS. Remember, bags that are packed that full of substrate will need to be PC'd for a long time, not just an hour or two.
I would do a test run with a small batch before possibly wasting all of your spores in one shot.
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BTW, where did you get such large bags?
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SooperShroomer
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Re: First Grow! [Re: FooMan]
#5299390 - 02/14/06 02:15 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I do have a really good pressure cooker, and believe me, im going to cook them for several hours! no contams is my goal!!! The bags are from mycosupply, I was going to get the impulse sealer there as well but I found a good buy on ebay for 30 bux shipped! I was thinking that since i will have a seperate incubator from my greenhouse, I could stagger the process and do one bag to test it out, then if all goes well start on the next one a week or so later. Would there be problems with them being in the same greenhouse at different levels of development? I wouldnt think so considering the enviroment is the same througout the process but I could be wrong. Also any reccomendations on how many bags to do of this size with the amount of spores I have available? (ie 2, 3, 4) Thanks Guys!!
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SooperShroomer
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Also I would like to apologize in advance for what may be some stupid questions. I know you experts hate answering the same bullhonky all the time, but some of the more specialized information was harder to find simply because yall have so much on here! Im so glad I found this site, It really is the best info source on the net
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SooperShroomer
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bump! Anyone??
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Well I thing staggering your grow could work, but then you have to keep a few things in mind.
I do it but, keeping everyone happy different stages of growth is difficult.
You should only need to PC for [Email]60min@15psi[/Email], no need for more it could only cause problems.
Yes making a test run is the way to go, more the better but the bags are not cheap.
You should look into LC, by the time you make knock up the bags with spores, the LC could be ready.
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SooperShroomer
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True keeping them all happy would be difficult, but im using a 4 shelf rack with a humidifier at the bottom. Ive got temp and hum readers on the top and bottom levels So as long as I kept the enviroment ideal wouldnt they all grow just fine? Also about the LC, is that a more efficient method than just using the spores? Thanks guys great info!
Edited by SooperShroomer (02/16/06 02:40 PM)
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