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help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please.....
    #5296155 - 02/13/06 06:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

ok guys its finally here my 10x salvia from shamans palace.

They also send along a free gift with every order... well they sent me 4 EXTRA gifts... i was really surprised... this place is awesome!

my only complaint is that the salvia came in a mini ziplock... i was hoping for a little glass jar because their just extra cool ya know?

but anyways... the following is what i also recieved... i know nothing about them... so if you guys could help me out and tell me exactly what they are.. what they do... and if any of you have tried them... they are as follows:

1)petunia violacea - shanin argentina - free seeds

2)sacred lotus - standardized 5x extract

3)peganum harmala - syrian rue seeds

4)sacred lotus - nelumbo nuctfera stamen

i typed them exactly how they are spelled on the labels.

any thoughts?

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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: agoutihead]
    #5296188 - 02/13/06 06:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

go to erowid.com and click on the plant and drugs link then click more to see the whole list... all your questions will be answered througly


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: agoutihead]
    #5296194 - 02/13/06 06:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Syrian Rue is an MAOI sometimes used to potentiate a trip, but i hear it can be an interesting trip on its own. Lotus, i believe is a mild euphoriant, never heard of the first one.


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: sublime22]
    #5296288 - 02/13/06 06:40 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

what is an MAOI?

ive seen the term used here... but i have no idea what exactly it is or what it does.


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: agoutihead]
    #5296302 - 02/13/06 06:43 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

erowid doesnt have the sacred lotus... only the blue lotus... are they the same?


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: agoutihead]
    #5296320 - 02/13/06 06:45 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Im also interested to know what a MAOI is, if anyone can enlighten us.

thanks!


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: djalexr]
    #5296439 - 02/13/06 07:05 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

It's a compound that stops certain enzymes for metabolizing chems like serotonin, psyilocybin, and dmt.

an MAOI is one half of ayahuasca.


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5296461 - 02/13/06 07:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

hmm still confused.

so should it be taken along with another psychedelic to enhance the experience?

or taken by itself?


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: agoutihead]
    #5296479 - 02/13/06 07:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

when discussing MAOI's... do you say it like its a word... or do you say... M A O I 'S.... like each letter separatly?


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: agoutihead]
    #5296520 - 02/13/06 07:19 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

and unless the things i mentioned above are called something different... i cant seem to find them on erowids plant list.

any helpers?


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: agoutihead]
    #5296553 - 02/13/06 07:25 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

BBB go here and use their search bar, you,ll find what you seek too know.


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: agoutihead]
    #5296562 - 02/13/06 07:27 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

some guy wrote a story on erowid about him doing blue lotus and salvia and how salvia breaks the world apart and blue lotus puts it back together... he said they were the two parts of the code.

i hope the "sacred lotus extract" i have is in fact from the "blue lotus" does anyone know for sure?

also has anyone tried blue lotus (sacred lotus) and salvia together?

what about just blue lotus separatly?


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: agoutihead]
    #5296575 - 02/13/06 07:30 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

i just looked at the picture of dried blue lotus that is sold commercially on erowid.. and mine looks similar... but does not have the purple or yellow parts of the flower like on erowid... its just a bunch of brown looking stuff.

any thoughts?


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: agoutihead]
    #5296581 - 02/13/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Syrian rue is an M.A.O.I. (monoamine oxidase inhibitors) about 3 to 5 grams of crushed/ground seeds can be used to acheive an ihibition of the enzyme in your stomache which breaks down certain chems. It (the enzyme) also breaks down tyramine which is found in many aged foods, beer, wine, cheese, sausage and when this is inhibited eating food high in tyramine will cause a tyramine overdose to accour and this can be very unpleasent, heart racing, vomiting, headache...ect.

MAOI's enhance psycedelics, it is to be used with caution. They can be eaten by themselves, but it in no way makes an "interesting" trip by themselves, in fact it is most unpleasent. Best taken with DMT, Mescaline, or Mushrooms.


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: agoutihead]
    #5296582 - 02/13/06 07:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Many people would disagree about them not being interesting by themselves. SOme would think that is an ignorant point of view. Its not a very typical hallucinogen though, thats for sure.

It potentiates trips on Psychedelic Tryptamines. It requires a specific diet if you dont want to die or have a horrible time.
Dmt and maois = ayahuasca, (possibly the most breathtaking hallucinogen known to man). Though in some cultures they only use maois, which if taken in the right amounts can range from sedative/hypnotic, to intensely hallucinogenic(massive tracers for example, so intense in its own way that it is not meant to be taken for fun)

To rephrase what elger said, It's a compound that stops certain enzymes that metabolize chems like serotonin, psilocybin, and dmt.

So if you eat another hallucinogen like mushrooms or dmt in particulare, it does not potentiate the maoi, the maoi potentiates the tryptamine.
Eating it with mushrooms for example, makes the mushrooms FAR more intense, they last longer, and there is an extra element of depth due to the maoi being active in its self.
2.5 grams of rue is enough to inhibit the enzymes fully. Dmt plants are not orally active, but are VERY active when taken with an maoi.
I have years of experience and do believe that maois are one of the most important hallucinogens. They are not to be used for your typical laughy-good time. They are way too effective and are not to be joked around with.
I have tripped for weeks after a 2 day session with ayahuasca. Thats how serious this drug can be. Some shamans believe that maois are the spirit of ayahuasca, and the dmt is only used to add intensity, color and depth to the visions.


Edited by stemmer (02/13/06 07:36 PM)


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: pip182]
    #5296589 - 02/13/06 07:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

what about lsd with an MAOI??

also i looked at bouncing bear... and apparently the sacred lotus is different from the blue lotus.


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: pip182]
    #5296592 - 02/13/06 07:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well said. Don't even bother with mushrooms, I say. Unless you've done it with something else and really appreciate what it has to offer.

Works well with cactus if you want to eat less cactus, but it takes away from the whole clarity of the trip, which really makes it pointless to me. Additionally, cacti contain tyramine. Perhaps enough to make you feel uncomfortable.

DMT is the main thing. It won't do anything without an MAOI orally.


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: agoutihead]
    #5296595 - 02/13/06 07:36 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

what about using the sacred lotus 5x extract and mixing it with salvia once i am aware of the effects of salvia?

would this be an enjoyable combo?

i have sacred lotus that looks like tobacco.. and sacred lotus 5x extract.

do i just smoke them both?


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: agoutihead]
    #5296606 - 02/13/06 07:40 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

i have mushrooms so i would probably take the syriun rue with the mushrooms since dmt is not readily available to me.. and i have yet to get to the level of my own extractions.

so i just go to erowid and follow their directions on making an extract of the syrian rue seeds?

i seen one recipe that uses lemon juice... already sounds like a winner!

another question... how did they extract these chemcials back in the old days when the tribes were around and all this modern tech wasnt?


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: agoutihead]
    #5296613 - 02/13/06 07:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

wait i just re-read where stemmer said it works on psychedelic tryptamines... which i know are dmt shrooms and ayauwaska <--- i know i spelled that wrong.

so that answers my question about an MAOI with lsd.


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: agoutihead]
    #5296770 - 02/13/06 08:19 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You really won't want to mix l with rue. It will make it unpleasant, in my opinion. Not worth saving a hit with.

Oh, and check out the edit button... or someone will accuse you of post whoring one day. :smile: (just watched an extreme example in the cultivation forum... the guy seemed kind of offended when the mod told him.)


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5296820 - 02/13/06 08:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

It does work with lsd but not as much as a potentiating substance, but as more of a simple additive. Maois work well with mescaline but you need to be more careful with that mix. Its the only Psychedelic Phenethylamine that can be used with maois safely to my knowledge.


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: stemmer]
    #5296848 - 02/13/06 08:38 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

what kind of diet is recquired when taking an MAOI?


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: Freeker]
    #5296959 - 02/13/06 08:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

www.erowid.org

Sorry, but for this one you need a complete answer. Read up, it's your own health.


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5297249 - 02/13/06 09:54 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

so do you say MAOI or... M  -  A  -  O  --  I  ???


hmm edit button.. ill look into that.  :smile:

anyone ever mix rue or lotus with salvia?


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: agoutihead]
    #5297363 - 02/13/06 10:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I really wouldn't mix anything with salvia. Stop trying to use the free gifts as some sort of mega-high. Rue isn't really something to fuck around with. Most would agree the same about salvia.

"Syrian rue is an M.A.O.I. (monoamine oxidase inhibitors) "

On account of it is an abbreviation, how do you think you pronounce it? Hehe. Maoi? We're not just "shouting" it to you every time. hehe...


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5297843 - 02/14/06 01:23 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

It's not pronounced as a word. It's M-A-O-I.


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: BataviaVakereli]
    #5298223 - 02/14/06 06:42 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

but i am looking for the mega high. hehe.

ive done plenty of psychedelics... so i know what to expect from them.

obviously i would proceed with caution if i would be adding an maoi... i would like to try it with shrooms since dmt isnt available by me.

i will be doing salvia just on its own the first few times so i can get an idea of what its like.

how did they extract alkaloids hundreds of years ago?


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: agoutihead]
    #5298324 - 02/14/06 07:41 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

agoutihead said:

how did they extract alkaloids hundreds of years ago?




They didn't, they brewed it into Ayahuasca. You should be able to find recipes on Erowid.


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: abrad84]
    #5298413 - 02/14/06 08:36 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

They didnt do extracts, they made teas/brews or just ate them whole.
Now, how did they figure out that you needed to take a MAOI before the DMT would be orally active?

that is beyond me :smile:


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: abrad84]
    #5298431 - 02/14/06 08:47 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

what exactly is a TRYAMINE?


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: agoutihead]
    #5298435 - 02/14/06 08:50 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

kaniz...eating them whole isnt as effective as brewing or extracts though are they?


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: agoutihead]
    #5298444 - 02/14/06 08:56 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Back then, they wernt looking at 'the most effective ways of getting fucked up'


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: kaniz]
    #5298455 - 02/14/06 09:05 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

As far as effectiveness goes, one shouldn't question ayahuasca without having done it.

The "mega high" might be something work seeking. But it's just stupid to try to achieve it by mixing random botanical samples sent to you by a vendor. Rue and Salvia? No way man.


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5298654 - 02/14/06 10:33 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

come on now elgr... why do you think im here?

im asking what if... not... what happened.. big difference.. i always do my research on things..  :smile:

and remember.. im not some punk just trying to figure out the most effective way to get fucked up, i used to be like that yes... but now i dont do drugs just go get fucked up... yes its still a nice side effect... but now i am only interested in how far i can push my mind and the knowledge i can learn from such experiences.

and since there is no dmt around me... i wont be drinking an ayahuasca.


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: agoutihead]
    #5298723 - 02/14/06 10:51 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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and since there is no dmt around me... i wont be drinking an ayahuasca.




Just order some MHRB or some other DMT containg plant.


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: agoutihead]
    #5298730 - 02/14/06 10:53 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

well the first one is
SHANIN (Petunia violacea) is one of the most recently reported hallucinogens. It is taken by the Indians in Ecuador to induce the sensation of flight. Although an alkaloid of unknown identity has been reported from this species of petunia, phytochemical investigation of petunias is urgently needed.

Some 40 species of petunias grow in Sauth America and in warmer parts of North America. Members of the nightshade family, Solanaceae, they are closely allied to the genus Nicotiana (tobacco). Petunia violacea as well as other species are horticulturally important. Cultivated varieties, with their attractive, funnel-shaped blooms, are popular garden flowers that bloom profusely throughout the summer months aka its like belladona and sacred is much like white lotus euhporiate its pretty mellow and blissful i recomend drinking a couple bears then smoking some or mix with pot and it will give the pot a nice taste same goes for the blue lotus and rue stops break down of dmt,psilos,and other tryptamines althou on its own its has vaious effects you should really just go to erowid and look it up you got a really good spread there but i wouldnt touch the petunias maybe grow them just for fun to have a little plant


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: thedudenj]
    #5298810 - 02/14/06 11:21 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

the petunia seeds are REALLY small... maybe got 150 of them.... so thier not worth my time to try and extract anything?

as far as extracting my own dmt... i will probably one day... but im not at the level of understand and knowledge to make anything worth while.

so the sacred lotus is best smoked with weed? should i just put a pinch... or is there a way to weigh it out? i have sacred lotus that looks like tobacco and sacred lotus 5x extract.

i will reserve the rue seeds for when i want to make an extract for a mushroom trip.


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: agoutihead]
    #5298849 - 02/14/06 11:30 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You don't need to extract DMT to make Ayahuasca, in fact if you did it wouldn't strictly be Ayahuasca. Ayahuasca is brewed from the raw plant material.


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    #5299019 - 02/14/06 12:14 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

hmm intersting... so i brew the raw plant for the dmt... and then i brew the MAOI... do i brew them TOGETHER... or SEPARTLY... and then add once that is finsihed?


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    #5299713 - 02/14/06 03:53 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Traditionally they're taken together. People find it works better to take the MAOI first though. It makes sense... but you might find it hard to down another drink after the first one.

Oh, I think I misread you... both consisted of adding them together.

Most people brew the caapi 2 or 3 times for a couple hours each time. The dmt plant can be added towards the end, as to not give it a major pounding. I'm not sure what the absolute best thing to do would be.

As for erowid's recipes: Good if you want to use mimosa/rue. Not so great if you want the traditional blends. But, I figure rue is in the equation.

If you're using rue, I suggest just grinding and gel capping. If you use veggie gels pack HALVES and swallow those. The vegan gel stuff takes too long to break down, and won't work well otherwise. Then you've just got some nasty mimosa tea to drink.


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    #5300294 - 02/14/06 06:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

really so just grinding the rue seeds and swallowing them is effective enough?

if i were to do it that way... how long should i take it before i ingest the shrooms?


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    #5300310 - 02/14/06 06:41 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

yep.

40 minutes or so. Never done it with mushrooms. Try to read some erowid reports and see what you're in for, and be careful about it.


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    #5302272 - 02/15/06 06:38 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

hey thanks!

would it benefit me to use lemon juice first to extract the akaloids in the rue seeds?

i think i read some where on erowid some guy did it and made MAOI lemonade.

i think he used his way of extraction... it was a little more involved than just lemon juice.. bu if lemon juice by itself would work i might try it.

will i notice any effects from just the rue seeds themselves after 40 minutes?


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    #5302919 - 02/15/06 12:10 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

That would not be as effective as eating them. It could be I guess, but the best way to know how much your eating is to just use the raw seeds.

And ya, you should feel the rue by its self after 40 min. More so in an hour or 1 1/2 hours.
I have never known anyone that is not able to feel 3 grams of rue.
For some people even that dose can be quite psychadelic.
2.5-3 grams is the average dose used for mao inhibition.

I would warn anybody about the powerful effects of rue when mixed with other drugs(and even by its self). It can get very serious, and not in a way you have experienced before without maois. Thats why ayahuasca is put on such a high pedistal.
Get to know your herbs first before you use some one elses recipe. These plants very in potency greatly. SO start low, not average, but low, or you may regret it. Its like going the way of the shaman when you figure it out for yourself. You can learn alot about ayahuasca even after the first time you use it. You may find you know all you need to know after your first "experiment". Then you are ready for the "experience".


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: stemmer]
    #5303133 - 02/15/06 01:16 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I definitely agree with stemmer about how rough rue can be. Don't just hop in with a crazy combination of drugs. There's a good chance you'll dislike the experience.

I highly suggest you try it alone first before combining it with anything. Follow the diet guidelines, and don't take it lightly.

Start low indeed. 3 grams of stuff from one vendor was the most intense horrible experience ever. Sometimes it takes more though.

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    #5303324 - 02/15/06 02:10 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

One last pointer to anyone who reads this.
Dont ever mix salvia(smoked or chewed) with maois. I have not tried it and will never. Im sure plenty of people have gone ahead and done that to themselves. I wouldnt recommend it. It just seems like a VERY bad idea for most people. Those drugs would have an ugly synergy, there is no telling how completely out there you might be for a long time after doing that.
In other words, you can really blow a fuse with that mix Im sure. Basically, just dont use Phenethylamines or atypical hallucinogens(salvia) with maois(and certainly no harder drugs). As far as Phenethylamines go, mescaline is supposed to be ok. It is said to be really great actually.

I just get a sick feeling in my stomach when I think about people combining maois and salvia. I just had to say this because salvia is so commonly used.


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: stemmer]
    #5303560 - 02/15/06 03:30 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Fasting + 3gm Rue + Salvia 5x was my weekly ritual for a long time, but I take 5-HTP daily, so no more Rue for me :tongue:


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    #5303858 - 02/15/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

It just sounds crazy to me to use rue every week like that. To each his own though, Im sure you did that because you liked the mix.

If that was a weekly thing for you, for how many days would you fast? One day of fasting has little effects except for fatigue and hunger(some wouldnt consider that to be fasting). Thats why I ask.


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    #5304387 - 02/15/06 07:26 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, the mix was very enjoyable for me, I have never had the hot flashes, pins and needles, or any other side effects that others describe.

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One day of fasting has little effects except for fatigue and hunger




I found that out the hard way. Now I juice-fast three days in the spring and three days in the fall and smoke about once a moon.


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