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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: agoutihead]
    #5299037 - 02/14/06 12:18 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: abrad84]
    #5299713 - 02/14/06 03:53 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Traditionally they're taken together. People find it works better to take the MAOI first though. It makes sense... but you might find it hard to down another drink after the first one.

Oh, I think I misread you... both consisted of adding them together.

Most people brew the caapi 2 or 3 times for a couple hours each time. The dmt plant can be added towards the end, as to not give it a major pounding. I'm not sure what the absolute best thing to do would be.

As for erowid's recipes: Good if you want to use mimosa/rue. Not so great if you want the traditional blends. But, I figure rue is in the equation.

If you're using rue, I suggest just grinding and gel capping. If you use veggie gels pack HALVES and swallow those. The vegan gel stuff takes too long to break down, and won't work well otherwise. Then you've just got some nasty mimosa tea to drink.


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5300294 - 02/14/06 06:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

really so just grinding the rue seeds and swallowing them is effective enough?

if i were to do it that way... how long should i take it before i ingest the shrooms?


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: agoutihead]
    #5300310 - 02/14/06 06:41 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

yep.

40 minutes or so. Never done it with mushrooms. Try to read some erowid reports and see what you're in for, and be careful about it.


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5302272 - 02/15/06 06:38 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

hey thanks!

would it benefit me to use lemon juice first to extract the akaloids in the rue seeds?

i think i read some where on erowid some guy did it and made MAOI lemonade.

i think he used his way of extraction... it was a little more involved than just lemon juice.. bu if lemon juice by itself would work i might try it.

will i notice any effects from just the rue seeds themselves after 40 minutes?


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: agoutihead]
    #5302919 - 02/15/06 12:10 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

That would not be as effective as eating them. It could be I guess, but the best way to know how much your eating is to just use the raw seeds.

And ya, you should feel the rue by its self after 40 min. More so in an hour or 1 1/2 hours.
I have never known anyone that is not able to feel 3 grams of rue.
For some people even that dose can be quite psychadelic.
2.5-3 grams is the average dose used for mao inhibition.

I would warn anybody about the powerful effects of rue when mixed with other drugs(and even by its self). It can get very serious, and not in a way you have experienced before without maois. Thats why ayahuasca is put on such a high pedistal.
Get to know your herbs first before you use some one elses recipe. These plants very in potency greatly. SO start low, not average, but low, or you may regret it. Its like going the way of the shaman when you figure it out for yourself. You can learn alot about ayahuasca even after the first time you use it. You may find you know all you need to know after your first "experiment". Then you are ready for the "experience".


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: stemmer]
    #5303133 - 02/15/06 01:16 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I definitely agree with stemmer about how rough rue can be. Don't just hop in with a crazy combination of drugs. There's a good chance you'll dislike the experience.

I highly suggest you try it alone first before combining it with anything. Follow the diet guidelines, and don't take it lightly.

Start low indeed. 3 grams of stuff from one vendor was the most intense horrible experience ever. Sometimes it takes more though.

Be careful.


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5303324 - 02/15/06 02:10 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

One last pointer to anyone who reads this.
Dont ever mix salvia(smoked or chewed) with maois. I have not tried it and will never. Im sure plenty of people have gone ahead and done that to themselves. I wouldnt recommend it. It just seems like a VERY bad idea for most people. Those drugs would have an ugly synergy, there is no telling how completely out there you might be for a long time after doing that.
In other words, you can really blow a fuse with that mix Im sure. Basically, just dont use Phenethylamines or atypical hallucinogens(salvia) with maois(and certainly no harder drugs). As far as Phenethylamines go, mescaline is supposed to be ok. It is said to be really great actually.

I just get a sick feeling in my stomach when I think about people combining maois and salvia. I just had to say this because salvia is so commonly used.


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: stemmer]
    #5303560 - 02/15/06 03:30 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Fasting + 3gm Rue + Salvia 5x was my weekly ritual for a long time, but I take 5-HTP daily, so no more Rue for me :tongue:


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: schmutzen]
    #5303858 - 02/15/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

It just sounds crazy to me to use rue every week like that. To each his own though, Im sure you did that because you liked the mix.

If that was a weekly thing for you, for how many days would you fast? One day of fasting has little effects except for fatigue and hunger(some wouldnt consider that to be fasting). Thats why I ask.


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Re: help me identify these herbs i received from shamanspalace.com please..... [Re: stemmer]
    #5304387 - 02/15/06 07:26 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, the mix was very enjoyable for me, I have never had the hot flashes, pins and needles, or any other side effects that others describe.

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One day of fasting has little effects except for fatigue and hunger




I found that out the hard way. Now I juice-fast three days in the spring and three days in the fall and smoke about once a moon.


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