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radioactive mutants?
    #5294796 - 02/13/06 01:31 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Would the radioactive disk from a smoke detector be hot enough to cause mutations?
Has anyone tried puting some Autum Crocus in the substate?
Lysol Has been known to cause mutations. Does it seem to have consistant results?
I am considering a new line of experimentation. Can anyone suggest easily obtainble mutatgens.
Has anyone here been involved in experimentation like this?

I wouldn't plan on consuming any of the results. Just curious what might happen.


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Re: radioactive mutants? [Re: cricket]
    #5295260 - 02/13/06 03:07 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

It has been known for a long time that LYSOL contains a substance called PHENOL. The ingestion of which even in small amounts can cause nausea, vomiting, circulatory collapse, paralysis, convulsions,
coma, respiratory failure and cardiac arrest
LYSOL also contains DIOXIN. That's the deadly ingredient used in Agent Orange that can cause genetic mutation, birth defects and cancer

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Re: radioactive mutants? [Re: creamrocks]
    #5298914 - 02/14/06 11:45 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

PHENOL.
How many people realize that is the main ingedient in Chloraseptic.
"Here kid, pour this down your throat and gargle. You'll feel better in no time"

I allready have this one on my list of mutagens.
Any oteher ideas?


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Re: radioactive mutants? [Re: cricket]
    #5299583 - 02/14/06 03:19 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

how about a mushroom tries to pour all sorts a chems on ya see if you look funny :smile:

be nice to the mushrooms, I know they've been nice to you  :rastamon:


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Re: radioactive mutants? [Re: lardnar]
    #5302358 - 02/15/06 08:07 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Shrooms use chems to make everything look funny. I'm just trying to return the favore.

Not all mutations are visible. Imagine, tickling the gene that would allow an increase in potency, faster grow time, higher contam resistance, lower temp growth.

You have to admit... Atray full of mushies standing on thier heads would look pretty neat.


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Re: radioactive mutants? [Re: cricket]
    #5303277 - 02/15/06 01:54 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

well good luck! mutations really don't work that way, thats why we don't have mutated food we have genetically altered food, you don't try to make it randomly change for the better you replace one gene with a new with better action etc. secondly most all mutants cant reproduce
so even of you did get a positive change you may have a hard time getting it to breed, you would almost have to do this on a single spore level and after it germinated mate that mono mycelia etc and then try to stabilize it etc . plus ah never mind there are some many problems with that. i think its a huge wast or your time unless you are going to school for genetics other Wise you would have a better chance at building a space ship.
there is one industry that make mutants with radioactive elements and uses teratogenic chemicals and that is the ponseta plant industry ( the red Christmas flowers ) thats how you get all those funky types
but if you must you have allot of studying to do

lastly what most people call mutation with mushrooms is not at all
if you get a little petroleum on mushrooms you can get all kinds of funky growth , but that is no more mutation than a person with really bad burns or polio

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Re: radioactive mutants? [Re: Dem_Bones]
    #5305679 - 02/16/06 06:51 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Mutations ARE genetic alterations ARE Mutations.
Some mutants CAN reproduce sexualy, others must be cloned.
I never stated my goal. How would you know if it is a waist of time or not.
I am not trying to make random changes for the better.
I am not trying to stabilize mutant strains.
I am charting reactions, trying to find influences with consistant effects .
I have been studying genetics for a few years. 3
Have you seem the purple "poinsettia" with white viens and silver edges? It was originaly developed at the Lab-greenhouse I worked for.
I'm not claiming to know it all, but I know more then most people.


By the way... I built a space ship 6 years ago.
http://www.kloudbusters.org/
It's easier then you think.


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Re: radioactive mutants? [Re: cricket]
    #5307655 - 02/16/06 04:17 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

well good luck i hope something good come out if it

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Re: radioactive mutants? [Re: cricket]
    #5328022 - 02/22/06 01:08 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Duuuude....Kloudbusters ROCKS!!!!

I was in Southern Cal a few years ago at IRT working on a x-ray densitometer for measureing duh.. density, in .. well, real rocket nose cones, when some of the guys there invited me out to the desert that weekend to watch them play with thier model rockets..
I thought it would be a bore..
well, Baby, these model rockets were......BIG
really big, huge rockets....man
the Doctor likes big rockets
yup Kloudbusters ROCKS!

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Re: radioactive mutants? [Re: cricket]
    #5328490 - 02/22/06 04:06 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Why not get one of these and put it under a tray...

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Re: radioactive mutants? [Re: Tien]
    #5330787 - 02/23/06 07:51 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you Plutoniom
I don't know why I didn't think of that before. A chunk like that would open the door for a long list of experiments.
I could gind some and mix right with the substate, in differing amounts.
Place a chunk under the tray. Measuring the change with distance from the source.
Orange, white, and green fluorescence. If the shrooms glow they wouldn't be biolumes. Would that make them Chemolumes?
Just kidding. I wouldn't expect that to pass on to the fruits.

Does anyone know of any other research involing plant based mutagens, or radiation and mushrooms? I can't find much info on this anywhere?


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Re: radioactive mutants? [Re: cricket]
    #5330964 - 02/23/06 09:22 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Ive seen some research concerning survival rate of exposed spores
exposed to high energy ionizing particales something around a 2 to 3 percent survival rate
there is a paper... nope
I'll try to find that reference for you

as I recall it was a paper on panspermia
ahh yes Benjamin Weiss, assistant prof. of planetary sciences at the Mass Institute for technology....recent studies of various meteorite fragments from Mars suggest that they were not heat sterilized during their transfer from mars to earth....cant find the citation
but included some radiation tests on spores, rna, dna , etc.

also a European study using nassa's long duration exposure facility, deployed by the space shuttle in 1984 and retrieved from orbit six years later, had, 1 in 10000 spores stay viable after exposure to intense radiation and the vacuum of space, and the survival rate was increased by the presence of glucose.....dont have the cite for that either and not sure about the species used, but I bet you can find something about it somewhere



hope this helps

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Re: radioactive mutants? [Re: cricket]
    #5331269 - 02/23/06 11:15 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

If you want to mutate mushrooms there is a VERY easy way.

Take a blacklight fluorescent tube (they have handheld ones for a few dollars for checking money) and expose a spore solution to it until 90-99% die. The ones that live will have a very high likelyness to be mutated.

If you want an OTC mutagen get a bottle of "poppers" which is an organic nitrite inhalant.

The UV tube method is easiest and safest tho.


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Re: radioactive mutants? [Re: Asante]
    #5331391 - 02/23/06 11:55 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks guy's.
I will be looking into the solar+ Uv radiation. I already have a handheld blacklight I use for scorpion hunting.

Are Poppers still avalible in the states?


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Re: radioactive mutants? [Re: cricket]
    #5332268 - 02/23/06 04:50 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)
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I believe modified poppers (cyclohexyl nitrite and such) still are. It's the nitrite part that f*cks with the basepairs tho, so all nitrites, organic or inorganic, are good.

Your best bet is the UV tho, especially when you have a portable tube already. I dunno from the top of my head but I believe UV goes straight through most plastics, allowing irradiation of capped spore syringes.

And! if you got a microscope you can by the germination rate check if you delivered enough radiation.

I've attached a Sandoz paper which details UV/Mutagen treatment of ergot spores to yield higher amounts of lysergic acid amides. It's a must-read for all because its a historic document on lysergic acid production which now is almost entirely in the reach of the amateur mycologist. The mutations program is the same for Ergot or Psilocybe.


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Re: radioactive mutants? [Re: Asante]
    #5333743 - 02/23/06 11:54 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Well, I know this is common knowledge, but many petrolium products have a tendency to mutate fungi (I learned this the hard way once).

What about small doses of microwave radiation, eg. popping in the micro for a few seconds at a time, but not enough to kill from overheating?

You could also put some spores near a tesla coil or some other high voltage source and see if the EM waves produce a mutation.


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