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danlennon3
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going to a shrink
#5294733 - 02/13/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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well i think its time for me to get some counseling... my entire life is falling apart and i need fix it before i do something extremely stupid. the thing is when i talk to a doctor, its the same crappy advice. i tell them about my problems, and they tell me the most obvious way around the problem. something a five year old could tell me... and it just doesn't help.. but there is now way out other out. i don't know what to do with myself anymore. Anyone else go to a doctor? Does it help you? Any advice would be helpful
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Re: going to a shrink [Re: danlennon3]
#5294746 - 02/13/06 01:15 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have adegree in psychology and my advice is not to waste your money. Think about it. Why would you pay someone to tell you what to do? Thats just retarded. You seem smart enough to figure out your own problems.
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Re: going to a shrink [Re: DoctorJ]
#5294779 - 02/13/06 01:25 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Psychologists IMO are more for people unable to think in rational maners for themselves. People who already suffer from some form of mental illness that effects their activities of daily living. That's where I see them make the largest impact.
Psychiatrists are a bit more effective in helping those with subtle medical issues affecting mental health, thusly they have prescription writing ability and a medical PhD. These guys are more $$$ but can do the work to get down to the root cause of the problem medically.
A lot of times I've found that you already know what needs to be done, it just isn't always the easiest thing to actually do... if that's the case, you don't need a doc, you need a friend willing to push you to do the right thing. Motivation isn't always easy when you're already down in the dumps.
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Re: going to a shrink [Re: danlennon3]
#5294785 - 02/13/06 01:28 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm going to disagree with the Doc seeing a professional and getting help saved my life.
I internalized everything for years to the point that no one had any clue. It wore me down and grinded my life to halt, it nearly mentally crippled me.
Asking for help and seeing a professional helped me immensely and I know that alot of pharms are demonized on this site but they were instrumental in improving the situation.
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Re: going to a shrink [Re: DoctorJ]
#5294787 - 02/13/06 01:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm no genius but I do consider myself smart. I know a lot about the mind and psychology. but it cant help me when EVERY little thing in my life gets messed up in one way or another.. I should have been put into an insane asylum years ago... instead, I'm still battling my problems with little or no positive outcome. most of the people i hang out with are fucked up and have problems, yet they have money and girls. some insult me behind my back. i get back stabbed by my best friends.... and friends are the least of my problems
pot and hallucinogens is what gave me the fuel to keep going. It literally saved my life many times. but smoking pot every day is really getting to me too. i spent my whole life being made fun of,getting ridiculed, getting stepped on, and getting fucked over, all while seeing everyone else living their own happy lives... I am a caring and loving person, who puts other people before me. is pain what I should be getting in return?
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Re: going to a shrink [Re: Noetical]
#5294810 - 02/13/06 01:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sometimes the pharms give the person just enough of a grip on things to where they can start fixing stuff on their own. It's not necessarily a lifelong commitment. I say if they help, use 'em... but I also say don't overlook the possible side effects either. Some psyche drugs can have some rather nasty effects when used for prolonged periods of time. That said, I've seen people that are night and day when off and on their meds... It may do you a lot of good... and it may not. The best thing for you to do is be perfectly honest with yourself and determine whether you have the capability of handling the situation or if you genuinely need help.
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Don't let "friends" who are anything but get to you, bro. There are people out there who won't pee in ya cornflakes every chance they get... pull yourself away from them, find something or somewhere you like and then socialize with people you can honestly relate to. AND DON'T TAKE SHIT FROM OTHERS. You deserve just as much respect as the next man. You know this, man.
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thats the thing. the only social places around me are bars with shady people. i dont know anywhere to meet new friends.
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Re: going to a shrink [Re: danlennon3]
#5294882 - 02/13/06 01:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Time to find out. Bars ain't the greatest place to find friends... I can relate though. This shithole town I'm in right now has ZERO fun stuff to do if your a 21+ person other than the damn bar... or the local crack/meth houses... and those are only fun to watch get raided.
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danlennon3
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im in a bad loop.. ill just keep trying until i go mentally crazy and have to be taken away or until my pulse stops
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Re: going to a shrink [Re: danlennon3]
#5294919 - 02/13/06 01:54 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Don't do it man. They wont really care about your problems, or sympathize with them at all. They will put you on mind-bending pills, which WILL change your outlook, but maybe not like how you expect. They will tell you things, things you may not agree with, things you may not think are right, but they will tell you. They will tell you what to do, what pills to take, and how to think. You don't need that. You don't want that.
You made the right choice by making a post on the shroomery. A good first step. We are better than any psychologist.
What you need is people to talk to, and people to relate to. People have had many experiences, and can often give advice on situations that may be similar to something they have experienced. You can learn from other people's mistakes, if you are receptive.
First of all.... all the good advice and best pharmaceuticals in the world, doesn't change anything about you. Only you can change you, the way you choose to perceive things, and so on. Well, pills can change the way you perceive things.. but that's a different story.. I'm talking about the story of self liberation. We are all in control of our minds, our thoughts.. our actions. We become who we be. The power is in you! Sure, going to a doctor might help you awaken this power, but I wouldn't bet on it. Doctors want money. What does your money have to do with your mental stability? I bet money has a lot to do with the problems. I bet there's a girl in there too. Maybe car problems, I dunno. Thing is.. there is a lot that life throws at us.. and it just makes us stronger in the end if you live through it. If you want some advice, I can give some.. dont go to a shrink. You want advice.. I'll give you advice.. there's tons of people here who will give you advice.. thoughtful insights.. for FREE. Ten times better than any shrink.. and I've been to them all.
Bottom line- You are in control. You make your problems as big or as small as you choose to perceive them, and when you overcome them, you are empowered by it. Keeping in mind that all 'challenges' in life, are mere obstacles to the game, and by mastering them you are mastering your life, and that's why we're here.. to master life. So without challenges life would suck... so charge at them with the fury. Don't hide them. Can't be passive. Anything lingering beneath the surface is bound to come out sooner or later... and better sooner than later.. so start digging.
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Re: going to a shrink [Re: danlennon3]
#5294929 - 02/13/06 01:56 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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So how do you break that loop? That's the question. There's a ton of ways to just drop your life and start a new one. My way was school... I just said fuck it, sold everything, and applied to college... once i was accepted, i was gone. New place, people, everything. It was hard at first, but I'm infinently better off for doing it. My previous life would've doubtlessly landed me in jail or dead eventually. It's not as hopeless as it appears, my friend... you can change everything if you think about it. No need to torture yourself needlessly. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO? Honestly? Then what will it take to do that? DO IT. That's it... 
(shroomism has a good point though.... this place could almost charge for the amount of decent advice I've seen on here... at least we're HONEST.... well, MOST of us anyway... )
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Yeah. Every once in a while you need a major life change. At least I do.
Based on my extensive studies and observations as a spiritual being physically incarnate in a human body on the planet Earth at this time, I have deduced that environment is the key factor in the morale and overall attitude and well-being of the patient if he is to sustain a long-lasting loving relationship with the self. By changing one's environment, one is given an entirely new spectrum of circumstances, and people to deal with.. this often has the effect of changing that person's perspective entirely. Drastic results are often obtained. How you go about this change in environment, is completely up to you.. but it is highly recommended. Whether it be a vacation to some weird place you've never been to, or moving across the country (world).. hell even camping trips have been known to change lives. The idea is to get somewhere else, to experience the same you, in different circumstances.. this not only teaches you about other people.. but most importantly.. how you work.. and how to fix whatever is the problem. Helps you see the "big picture". And realize the small shit is just that.
If it's not in your control.. so be it. Let it be. If it's in your control and you don't like it... change it. Or start taking the steps to make it change.
When in a physical body, everything is do-it-yourself. You fix it yourself. But other people can help guide you. You don't have to take their advice though.
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Re: going to a shrink [Re: danlennon3]
#5295007 - 02/13/06 02:19 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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danlennon3 said: I'm no genius but I do consider myself smart. I know a lot about the mind and psychology. but it cant help me when EVERY little thing in my life gets messed up in one way or another.. I should have been put into an insane asylum years ago... instead, I'm still battling my problems with little or no positive outcome. most of the people i hang out with are fucked up and have problems, yet they have money and girls. some insult me behind my back. i get back stabbed by my best friends.... and friends are the least of my problems pot and hallucinogens is what gave me the fuel to keep going. It literally saved my life many times. but smoking pot every day is really getting to me too. i spent my whole life being made fun of,getting ridiculed, getting stepped on, and getting fucked over, all while seeing everyone else living their own happy lives... I am a caring and loving person, who puts other people before me. is pain what I should be getting in return?
ditto
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Re: going to a shrink [Re: Shroomism]
#5295016 - 02/13/06 02:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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That sounded mighty scientifical... you sure your from VA? J/K man...
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I'm from northern virginia man.. we're a different country then the rest of the state.
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Re: going to a shrink [Re: Shroomism]
#5295794 - 02/13/06 04:55 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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thanks for the advice guys. shroomism, i had a lot of bad experiences with girls... now its the lack of a girl that gets to me... Picture this..
you are hanging out with friends and the most beutiful girl starts talking to you. right away you know she could be the one.. instantly you have that feeling of love again, the warm feeling in your chest. Then you wake up in the morning realising that it was all just some dream.. it just makes me remember what im missing and then i get the feeling like someone ripped my heart out...
It just hurts knowing there is no girl... no happiness.. no love.. hurts thinking the only time im happy is when i have a good dream.... oh yea, and im a chronic insomniac so it barely ever happens
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Re: going to a shrink [Re: danlennon3]
#5295885 - 02/13/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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went to a psychometrist before. ended up stealing the mind by richard m. restak M.D and THE FIRE FROM WITHIN by castaneda. both books kick ass and I wouldnt trade it for talking to that bloke again! he kept telling me I was depressed, but I told him that was not true, and hge gets angry and calls off appointments! serves him right!
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Re: going to a shrink [Re: Spenny]
#5295906 - 02/13/06 05:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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maybe he cancelled your appointments because you stole his books.
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Re: going to a shrink [Re: DoctorJ]
#5295953 - 02/13/06 05:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said: maybe he cancelled your appointments because you stole his books.
Probably not because...he let me "borrow" them, and I just never returned his phonecalls/returned at all. he kinda sucked, wasnt great at his job, but yeah i didnt really want to go
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