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Re: Dick Cheney shoots man [Re: zappaisgod]
#5307740 - 02/16/06 04:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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First of all, shrooms aren't tested for in a standard blood test. Second, he admitted to "having a few beers," which is even more reason to test his blood for alcohol. Given the circumstances, there is nothing "wild" about speculating that he might have been drunk, and Diploid is absolutely right in pointing out that had it been any of us, the police would surely have taken at least a breathaliser test. What is wild is your incredible blind-sided partisanship. Your willingness to defend any right-winger against the facts, as well as delivering ad hominems against those who do nothing more than stating the obvious, speaks volumes about your character.
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Re: Dick Cheney shoots man [Re: Silversoul]
#5307792 - 02/16/06 04:59 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Would it matter if he were drunk? The victim in this incident doesn't seem to want to press charges, so whats the big deal? If the victim can say "OK, simple misunderstanding, no need to arrest the guy", then who cares if Cheney was smoking crack while tripping when he shot him? Accidents happen. The law shouldn't be compelled to prosecute when the victim doesn't want it to.
And what laws would you have enforced against him? Hunting on private land has different rules than hunting on public land. If you want to drink and hunt on your property, you aren't prohibited from doing that.
Geez, the guy had a beer or two, accidentally shot someone who wasn't where they should be and noone seems upset about it, so who cares really? It's not even a political issue.
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Re: Dick Cheney shoots man [Re: Silversoul]
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Paradigm said: First of all, shrooms aren't tested for in a standard blood test.
So what?
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Second, he admitted to "having a few beers," which is even more reason to test his blood for alcohol.
Bullshit. He copped to one beer at lunch, several hours earlier, which was corroborated by witnesses. Further, there was no smell of alcohol on anyone's breath. This wasn't a bunch of dumbass twenty year olds.
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Given the circumstances, there is nothing "wild" about speculating that he might have been drunk,
Bullshit. There is no evidence whatsoever and there are in fact witness accounts to support the contention that he was, in fact, not drunk. At all. Not even a little bit. Wild ass speculation, which your willingness to swallow borders on religion.
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and Diploid is absolutely right in pointing out that had it been any of us, the police would surely have taken at least a breathaliser test.
Maybe you and a bunch of youngsters would be profiled this way. I doubt that I would. Unless, of course, they smelled it. And if you don't think a sober person can smell alcohol on someone's breath you are incredibly misinformed. Cops are trained to detect drunkenness. Trained. Not everyone who gets pulled over at midnight on a Friday night, even if they have an accident, is tested. They only get tested if the cop suspects something. I know this for a fact.
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What is wild is your incredible blind-sided partisanship. Your willingness to defend any right-winger against the facts,
More bullshit. There are no facts other than the fact that you guys are speculating wildly. "There was an accident!!!!!Someone must be drunk!!!!! Halliburton is covering it up!!!!!" If you can find an example of me defending anyone who turned out guilty I'll be very surprised (I don't really expect you to try and that's fine. I have 4,000 posts after all). Mostly, I do it because of the incredible willingness of the left to swallow any whiff of impropriety by a member of the right and to run with it to the nearest conspiracy seance. The endless hyperventilating needs to be addressed before you all hurt yourselves. I'm just looking out for you.
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as well as delivering ad hominems against those who do nothing more than stating the obvious, speaks volumes about your character.
What ad hominem? Your idea of "obvious" is seriously divergent from mine. My character? MY CHARACTER? Talk about ad hominems. Believe me when I tell you that the day I give a shit about what some sociology major living with his mom thinks about my character will be the day I join the Hare Krishnas. Peace be upon you.
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Re: Dick Cheney shoots man [Re: zappaisgod]
#5310085 - 02/17/06 11:08 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Whittington just had a press conference and he looked good.
hopefully this will end the Drama.
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Re: Dick Cheney shoots man [Re: zappaisgod]
#5310735 - 02/17/06 02:49 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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What ad hominem?
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Wild-ass speculation based on nothing but your own hatred.
My state of mind, hatred or love, and the color of my tie have nothing to do with the discussion. Any references to those things are ad hominems by definition.
There are no facts other than the fact that you guys are speculating wildly.
It is a fact that Cheney was not required to submit to a blood-alcohol test. This is incongruous because had I been the shooter, and ESPECIALLY had I admitted to drinking a few hours earlier during lunch, I likely would have been forced to submit a blood or urine sample.
That Whittington didn't press charges is neither here nor there; he was not coherent after the shooting and so could not have declined to press charges at that time. The prudent thing for the police to do would have been to require Cheney to submit to a blood-alcohol test given the potential eventuality that Whittington might later press charges.
This wasn't a bunch of dumbass twenty year olds.
You make my point for me. Cheney is more equal than others, and THAT is the problem.
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Re: Dick Cheney shoots man [Re: Diploid]
#5310880 - 02/17/06 03:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Diploid said: What ad hominem?
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Wild-ass speculation based on nothing but your own hatred.
That is not an ad hominem
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My state of mind, hatred or love, and the color of my tie have nothing to do with the discussion. Any references to those things are ad hominems by definition.
Bullshit. Pointing out that you are willing to completely fabricate an allegation of drunkenness purely because you obviously despise the current administration is not an ad hominem. To quote you:
"And by the way, before you go off on the "he only had ONE beer" line, let's get it clear that since he was not forced to submit to a blood-alcohol test, he could be (and given the recent past of this administration, I wouldn't be at all surprised) lying about how many beers he drank.
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There are no facts other than the fact that you guys are speculating wildly.
It is a fact that Cheney was not required to submit to a blood-alcohol test. This is incongruous because had I been the shooter, and ESPECIALLY had I admitted to drinking a few hours earlier during lunch, I likely would have been forced to submit a blood or urine sample.
Or a breathalizer. But there was no indication whatsoever that he was the least bit intoxicated. Nor anyone else in the party. And reliable witnesses say so. COPS CAN SMELL ALCOHOL. They didn't smell any alcohol on anybody. Most likely reason? THEY WEREN'T DRINKING! But not for you. Get over it. It was an accident and you are way out of bounds. Even your assertion that you would have been tested is speculation. I don't think I would have been. Let me say this again. COPS CAN SMELL ALCOHOL.
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That Whittington didn't press charges is neither here nor there; he was not coherent after the shooting and so could not have declined to press charges at that time. The prudent thing for the police to do would have been to require Cheney to submit to a blood-alcohol test given the potential eventuality that Whittington might later press charges.
Where did I make any mention of anybody pressing charges? There are no charges to press. It has been declared an accident. You can't press charges after an accident. Are you talking about him suing for civil damages? I got a hundred American dollars that says he won't sue Cheney. Wanna go for it with your hundred? Are you inexperienced enough to think that the police give a breathalizer test every time there's a car accident? They don't.
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This wasn't a bunch of dumbass twenty year olds.
You make my point for me. Cheney is more equal than others, and THAT is the problem.
I'm going to say it once again. COPS CAN SMELL ALCOHOL. Is a cop more likely to suspect a bunch of dumbass 20 somethings of being drunk? Of course. Would he give a breathalizer to any 20 something in an accident? No. I know this for a fact. Because I've been there. But he might sniff a little closer.
Once again, there is absolutely no evidence to support your assertion that Cheney was drunk. Or that he received treatment different from you or me. Ergo, "wild ass speculation."
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Re: Dick Cheney shoots man [Re: zappaisgod]
#5311092 - 02/17/06 04:55 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pointing out that you are willing to completely fabricate an allegation of drunkenness purely because you obviously despise the current administration is not an ad hominem.
The ad hominem was you referring to my 'hatred' which is about ME, and not about the DISCUSSION. Debate 101. 
because you obviously despise
Once again, an ad hominem. Whether or not I dispise anything has NOTHING to do with the issue at hand.
Pointing out that I dispise something or that I wear ugly pants are equally irrelevent ad hominems. They are the recourse of those with poor arguments who, frustrated by their inability to back their position, resort to attacking the person they're debating rather than the person's argument.
Or a breathalizer. But there was no indication whatsoever that he was the least bit intoxicated.
There was his voluntary admission that he drank alcohol a few hours earlier. Less than this is routinely used to justify compulsory blood-alcohol tests when the accident involves ordinary people.
And reliable witnesses say so
Which witnesses? Cheney's entourage? LOL
COPS CAN SMELL ALCOHOL
The cops weren't allowed anywhere near Cheney. That's part of the problem which you don't seem to get. The secret service people with Cheney did not allow the cops to talk to, question, test for alcohol, or anything else re Cheney.
You can't press charges after an accident.
Wow, you're clearly not a lawyer. An accident can be a criminal offense if it is caused by negligence.
Once again, there is absolutely no evidence to support your assertion that Cheney was drunk.
Reading comprehension problems?
I haven't said Cheney was drunk. I've said that since he was not given a blood-alcohol test despite admitting to having alcohol a few hours before the accident, we will never know.
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Re: Dick Cheney shoots man [Re: Diploid]
#5311608 - 02/17/06 06:53 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Diploid said: It is a fact that Cheney was not required to submit to a blood-alcohol test. This is incongruous because had I been the shooter, and ESPECIALLY had I admitted to drinking a few hours earlier during lunch, I likely would have been forced to submit a blood or urine sample.
This talk is absurd. If you shoot someone, it doesn't matter if you've been drinking, it matters if you had the criminal intent to shoot them. If you did, their is a specific charge for that (depending on the state), if you didn't, then the LEO has discretion as to how to move forward. This is such a GIGANTIC non-issue. Cops let other cops off with speeding tickets, maybe they'd let the VP off if it was clear it was an accident. Maybe you could show me a law that states that people are given BAC tests whenever they do something dumb or something that hurts another person? MANDATORY BAC testing, mind you, the LEO doesn't have the discretion to use his own senses to determine whether or not one is appropriate.
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That Whittington didn't press charges is neither here nor there; he was not coherent after the shooting and so could not have declined to press charges at that time. The prudent thing for the police to do would have been to require Cheney to submit to a blood-alcohol test given the potential eventuality that Whittington might later press charges.
Again, the LEO is given the leeway to do as he sees fit. If he didn't smell alcohol, their was no reason for the test. Why aren't you insisting on a urine test?
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You make my point for me. Cheney is more equal than others, and THAT is the problem.
Could you show how others WERE alcohol tested during these events? It's not illegal to hunt drunk on private property.
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Re: Dick Cheney shoots man [Re: MisterMyco]
#5311696 - 02/17/06 07:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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If you shoot someone, it doesn't matter if you've been drinking, it matters if you had the criminal intent to shoot them.
It also matters if the accident is a result of your negligence. Causing an accident by negligence can be a criminal offense. Look things up before you make up erroneous legal facts.
Again, the LEO is given the leeway to do as he sees fit. If he didn't smell alcohol, their was no reason for the test.
LEO was not given access to Cheney so no 'smelling' by LEO took place. LEO was also prevented from questioning or observing Cheney alone to determine if further investigation into the alcohol issue was warranted.
Again, the LEO is given the leeway to do as he sees fit. If he didn't smell alcohol
Again, LEO was not given access to Cheney so neither leeway nor smelling could take place.
their was no reason for the test
Admission of drinking a few hours before a serious accident is reason for a test.
Cops let other cops off with speeding tickets
Ah, you hit the crux of the issue: the law applies differently depending on who you are.
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Re: Dick Cheney shoots man [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said: LEO was not given access to Cheney so no 'smelling' by LEO took place. LEO was also prevented from questioning or observe Cheney alone to determine if further investigation into the alcohol issue was warranted.
Source?
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Again, LEO was not given access to Cheney so neither leeway nor smelling could take place.
Source?
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Admission of drinking a few hours before a serious accident is reason for a test.
No, it's not. What law enforcement agency do you work for?
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Ah, you hit the crux of the issue: the law applies differently depending on who you are.
The next time you get pulled over for speeding, be rude and offensive, see if it works as well as being polite. The law is applied differently.
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Re: Dick Cheney shoots man [Re: MisterMyco]
#5311827 - 02/17/06 08:04 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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MisterMyco: Source?
Here ya go:
CBS News: http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/13/sheriff-barred-from-interviewing/
Texas Sheriff Barred From Interviewing Cheney About Shooting Incident CBS News reports that local law enforcement officials were prevented from interviewing Vice President Cheney after he accidentally shot a 78-year-old man during a hunting trip:
CBS News White House correspondent Peter Maer reports Texas authorities are complaining that the Secret Service barred them from speaking to Cheney after the incident. Kenedy County Texas Sheriffs Lt. Juan Guzman said deputies first learned of the shooting when an ambulance was called.
McClellan was asked about it at the press briefing but played dumb:
QUESTION: Scott, there?s a report coming out of a sheriff?s deputy there who said that he was prevented from interviewing the vice president by the Secret Service. Do you know anything about that? And is that appropriate?
MCCLELLAN: No, I don?t know anything about that. You have got to direct that to the Secret Service. My understanding was that Secret Service took the appropriate steps to inform law enforcement.
Of course, the question is not whether the Secret Service informed law enforcement, but whether law enforcement was permitted to speak with Cheney. As Talk Left notes, although the incident was an accident, it could constitute criminal negligence.
UPDATE: National Journal reports that, after initial resistance, Cheney was interviewed by law enforcement sometime on Sunday.
SUNDAY! One day AFTER the accident. WTF? Why the delay?
It should also be noted that Cheney has two DUI convictions in an eight-month period. It was a long time ago, but all things considered, the two DUIs and the admission of drinking a few hours before the accident add credence to the idea that a blood-alcohol test was warranted.
Also, in my perusing to satisfy your request for sources, I've found that many states REQUIRE, by force if necessary, a blood-alcohol test after ANY hunting accident, private property or not, pressing charges or not.
And from Reuters: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060217/ts_nm/cheney_accident_report_dc
Chief Deputy Gilbert San Miguel, who conducted the shooting probe, said: "Our investigation is over ... this was just a mere hunting accident."
But the report he submitted says that he did not start the investigation until the DAY AFTER the accident. Of course he would not smell any alcohol by then if Cheney had in fact been impaired by alcohol when the accident happened.
Can you give a plausible explanation for the delay? And do you believe for one second that if it had been me shooting, that I would have been given until the next day before being 'smelled' by LEO? C'mon!
And then there's this gem also from Reuters: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060217/ts_nm/cheney_accident_report_dc
Cheney's admission that he had a lunchtime beer conflicted with the account by Armstrong, a prominent Republican and lobbyist who witnessed the incident.
She told the Caller-Times no one had anything to drink, even at lunch: "No, zero, zippo."
So No, Zero, and Zippo alcohol are what the 'reliable witnesses' state was served at lunch. Alright, I feel better now...
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Re: Dick Cheney shoots man [Re: Diploid]
#5311914 - 02/17/06 08:28 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm sure that Cheney was blind drunk on 200 proof moonshine and thought that the victim was a minority or a woman or a gay or something. Feel better?
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Re: Dick Cheney shoots man [Re: Diploid]
#5311935 - 02/17/06 08:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/15/AR2006021501133.html
And now I find that Whittingon WAS GIVEN A BLOOD-ALCOHOL TEST when he was admitted to the hospital. Clearly, if the victim warranted testing, why not the shooter?
Cheney conveniently didn't visit Whittington at the hospital until the NEXT DAY when a blood-alcohol test would have been irrelevant.
You know, I started posting in this thread neutral on the issue of alcohol. My beef was only with the disparity with which an 'important person' is treated compared to an ordinary person.
But now, as I dig further and further into this, I'm becoming convinced that the reason LEO was barred access to Cheney until the next day, the reason Cheney didn't show up at the hospital to visit his friend until the next day, and the reason Armstrong's vehement denial of any alcohol at lunch is in direct conflict with the truth are not chance happenings.
WTF?
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Re: Dick Cheney shoots man [Re: MisterMyco]
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I'm sure that Cheney was blind drunk on 200 proof moonshine and thought that the victim was a minority or a woman or a gay or something. Feel better?
Why post useless sarcasm that adds nothing to the discussion rather than address the points I've brought up? Could it be because you can't and you know it?
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Re: Dick Cheney shoots man [Re: MisterMyco]
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This talk is absurd. If you shoot someone, it doesn't matter if you've been drinking, it matters if you had the criminal intent to shoot them.
That's not true. Haven't you ever heard of criminal negligence?
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Re: Dick Cheney shoots man [Re: Diploid]
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Status: Closed....
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Re: Dick Cheney shoots man [Re: lonestar2004]
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Status: Closed....
The police investigation is closed, but the issue is not.
That report says the shooting took place Saturday but the police interview with Cheney didn't begin until the next morning.
The Secret Service prevented the police from interviewing Cheney until Sunday by which time any clue that he may have been under the influence of alcohol was gone.
Why wasn't the police allowed to question Cheney at the scene like they would have any ordinary citizen?
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Re: Dick Cheney shoots man [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said: "That report says the shooting took place Saturday but the police interview with Cheney didn't begin until the next morning.
"The Secret Service prevented the police from interviewing Cheney until Sunday by which time any clue that he may have been under the influence of alcohol was gone.
Why wasn't the police allowed to question Cheney at the scene like they would have any ordinary citizen?"

The police did interview him right away, and the Secret Service Officially reported it. They even asked when they would be there. thats in the police report.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0216061cheney1.html
Along with San Miguel's report, investigators also released a two-page supplemental report prepared by Salinas, who learned of a "possible hunting accident" from Captain Charles Kirk around 5:30 PM Saturday. About ten minutes later, Salinas was called by a Secret Service agent who reported that the accident at the Armstrong Ranch "involved Vice-President Cheney." Salinas then contacted Ramiro Medellin, a former Kenedy County sheriff who works at the 50,000-acre ranch. Medellin, Salinas reported, told him, "This in fact is an accident," adding that he had spoken with "some of the people in the hunting party who were eyewitnesses and that they all said it was definitely a hunting accident." After speaking with Medellin, Salinas apparently believed that there was no need for further investigation that night. He then contacted San Miguel and directed his deputy to arrive at the Armstrong Ranch the following morning at 8 AM to interview Cheney and other witnesses. In addition to questioning the vice president, San Miguel obtained affidavits or statements from four members of Cheney's hunting party, including ranch owner Katharine Armstrong, hunting guide Gerardo Medellin, and Pamela Willeford, the U.S. ambassador to Switzerland (Lilleford was standing next to Cheney when he shot Whittington). However, the sheriff's department declined today to release those affidavits and statements, the substance of which is not described in the San Miguel report. The only reference to details from these witness accounts is San Miguel's notation that Armstrong, with whom he spoke briefly, "told me pretty much the same story Mr. Cheney told me." On Tuesday, the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department issued the first report on the Cheney shooting incident. (5 pages)
The police report states that "After speaking with Medellin, Salinas apparently believed that there was no need for further investigation that night."
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Re: Dick Cheney shoots man [Re: lonestar2004]
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good one
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Re: Dick Cheney shoots man [Re: lonestar2004]
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Medellin, Salinas reported, told him, "This in fact is an accident," adding that he had spoken with "some of the people in the hunting party who were eyewitnesses and that they all said it was definitely a hunting accident."
Yes, more of those reliable eyewitnesses like Armstrong who said in an interview that "No, zero, zippo" alcohol was served at lunch.
Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060217/ts_nm/cheney_accident_report_dc
they all said it was definitely a hunting accident
A hunting accident caused by negligence (read: someone shooting while impaired by alcohol) is a criminal offense. And that the police was barred from interviewing Cheney until the next morning when a determination regarding alcohol was impossible is telling.
After speaking with Medellin, Salinas apparently believed that there was no need for further investigation that night.
Right, Medellin, a CIVILIAN who WORKS FOR the Armstrong ranch TOLD the local police that no further investigation was required that night even as the Secret Service barred the police from entering.
And CBS reports: "CBS News White House correspondent Peter Maer reports Texas authorities are complaining that the Secret Service barred them from speaking to Cheney after the incident."
Source: http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/13/sheriff-barred-from-interviewing/
-------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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