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    #5291194 - 02/12/06 11:22 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Ok you have these rules some make sense like in ODD, others are at best flawed as in P&S(people flame in there all the time in veiled attacks). There are some people who like to run around and hit that tattle tale button just to feel important. I despise this, and recognize that nothign is going to change in this department.

However why dont you get labeled as a tattle tale after say 10-15 times hitting that button in the community sections, where factual information is not at risk.

or perhaps you could just make it plain and clear on any mod edited posts who pushed the button. The annonymity of it is the problem, people should at least have to man up to their tattling.


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Re: tattling [Re: blaze2]
    #5291235 - 02/12/06 11:50 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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There are some people who like to run around and hit that tattle tale button just to feel important.




How do you come to the conclusion that some people run around and hit the notify mod button? and how do you know that they do it just to feel important?

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However why dont you get labeled as a tattle tale after say 10-15 times hitting that button in the community sections, where factual information is not at risk.




Mods can't read every post in a forum looking for flames etc, it helps us a lot when people use the button if they think a mod should take a look at it. I don't think there is anything wrong with hitting the notify mod button if you think there is something wrong with a post, that is what that button is for.

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The annonymity of it is the problem, people should at least have to man up to their tattling.




It really doesn't matter who notified a mod.


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Re: tattling [Re: Annom]
    #5291251 - 02/12/06 11:59 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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There are some people who like to run around and hit that tattle tale button just to feel important.




How do you come to the conclusion that some people run around and hit the notify mod button? and how do you know that they do it just to feel important?




Its human nature to abuse power.



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However why dont you get labeled as a tattle tale after say 10-15 times hitting that button in the community sections, where factual information is not at risk.




Mods can't read every post in a forum looking for flames etc, it helps us a lot when people use the button if they think a mod should take a look at it. I don't think there is anything wrong with hitting the notify mod button if you think there is something wrong with a post, that is what that button is for.




I dont tattle I have never hit that button, and it is there for control, and censorship. Of course you enjoy the button, you are Mod.

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The annonymity of it is the problem, people should at least have to man up to their tattling.




It really doesn't matter who notified a mod.







Just because you are of that opinion does not make it so. I would much rather have someone come to me if they have a problem, rather than tattle to a mod, and if someone does tattle I dont see why it should be a problem to let us knwo who did the tattling. After all you think its such a valuble part of the board, why be ashamed?


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Re: tattling [Re: blaze2]
    #5291500 - 02/12/06 01:38 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Mods aren't brainless, I'm sure they're quite capable of deciding whether or not to take disciplinary action based on the content of the post reported. I'm also sure they're able to decide whether or not to discipline someone for using the "report post" function frivolously.

It's not like "OMG, this post has been reported by randomguy420, I MUST HIT TEH BAN!!!11"


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Re: tattling [Re: blaze2]
    #5291543 - 02/12/06 01:52 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You do realize that when a mod edits a post, at the bottom, underneath the sig and everything, it says "Edited by OneMoreRobot3021" or whoever?


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Re: tattling [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5291845 - 02/12/06 03:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

yes I do realize this do you realize that is not what I was talking about?  I mean the guy who is the snitch should recognized in some way.  Honestly this is a drug site how many people here like snitches???

Mods arent brainless and do make the descions neither of which im mad about its just the tattling that I dont like.  If someone does it for a good reason liek say the post is a complete and total flame or something and worthless other than its flame value then sure, these dont happen that often however, usually its some little remark mine was I believe something like

"arguing for the sake of arguing again(look kids, my post is obviously cooler than his I use graimlens  :dumblol: :epenis:)" the guy puts smileys all over his posts, its not liek im makign it up.  he especially likes to vaguely insult and follow it up with :rofl2: :lol:  mine is a flame and his isnt?

he had made some smart ass sarcastic response in the post I was responding to.  He just hapened to hit the button, and tattle.  If he was any sort of man he would have tried to work something out, but instead of reaching some rational comprimise he would rather tattle and get the mods to do his dirty work for him. 

I admit I push the rules, but I never tattle when I see others doing the same.  If I actually had a problem with something I would address it to the person, not go to the mods.  I dont care if "thast what they are there for"  the point is no one takes any responsibility. 

And this place calls itself a community...


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Re: tattling [Re: blaze2]
    #5291849 - 02/12/06 03:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I tattle all the time. It makes the mods' jobs easier and gets rid of the idiots who don't follow the rules.

I don't see why it matters to you anyways. As long as you follow the rules, it shouldn't be an issue.


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Re: tattling [Re: Redstorm]
    #5291899 - 02/12/06 04:07 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yet again I assert that this is a drug website and that it is FOR druggies not goody goody tattle tales.

Ayn rand in the sig, so not surprised.


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Edited by blaze2 (02/12/06 04:09 PM)


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Re: tattling [Re: blaze2]
    #5291939 - 02/12/06 04:24 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Rules are rules. If you don't like them, feel free to leave.


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Re: tattling [Re: blaze2]
    #5291949 - 02/12/06 04:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Also, I would love you to explain how Ayn Rand has anything to do with the situation at hand.


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Re: tattling [Re: Redstorm]
    #5292079 - 02/12/06 05:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

ayn rand is fool, just look at her quote in your sig "I do not grant my love without reason, nor to any chance passer-by who may wish to claim it. I honor men with my love. But honor is a thing to be earned" too many people think like this, and that is what is wrong with our world friend.

People seem to have this idea that you can have a conversation(or a sig quote) and that no one is allowed to make assumptions on their character. "You dont know me! who are you? blah blah blah"THis is crazy why do you put it there if the idea does not fit with who you are? Your interest in Ayn Rand tells me that you are stubbern and think you have all the answers. That you are cold and calculating. That you are sure you are right. That you are self centered, and vain. And lastly that you are uncaring as far as others suffering goes. Not that you dont have some good character traits too, Sinister Joe seems to have a good sense of humor, with your robot dinosaur complete with laser beam eyes, and you might be a leprechaun( from rainbow land) I bet your happy most of the time, and get along well enough with most folks, but your constantly fighing back the urge to tell people off. I bet your wealthy, but not very rich. Youve never had many problems getting where you are now, and cant understand other peoples "problems" doing the same, but most of all I bet your comfortable, and soft.

rules are rules, oh you rule following sheep love your cliches dont you? seriously tho its not about the rules, its about holding people responsible for being snitches. do you call the police everytime you see a person flick a cigarette but out of their car windows? Nope? but....their not following the literring rules.....hmmmm thats weird...

when you click report post, the said reported post should get a little message like teh "edited by so and so" stuff at the bottom that says something like "reported by so-so." If you feel something important enough to report it ot a mod then why should anyone be ashamed to own up to it?



NO ONE LIKES A SNITCH.


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Re: tattling [Re: blaze2]
    #5292134 - 02/12/06 05:38 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

:bitch:

Sorry, some of us are adults here and like to hold serious conversations (hence the no flaming rules). If you feel you can not control your childish behavior, take it to OTD.

I'm not ashamed of hitting the notify button. I know it helps the mods do their job correctly, so I'm happy to do it. Everytime I see some idiot asking for a hook-up, spamming their products, or flaming in forums other than OTD, I feel it is my duty to notify someone.


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Re: tattling [Re: Redstorm]
    #5292148 - 02/12/06 05:43 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I kinda feel like it is my duty to hit the notify button if it is obvious that they are breaking a rule. I am not ashamed of it, if you would like I will post "Moderator notified" when I do it....


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Re: tattling [Re: blaze2]
    #5292422 - 02/12/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

alright. i gues si can kinda see where this is soming from but ill tell you that ive hit the button a few times less than 10. but every time has been for underage users, which i feel is neccesary for the safety of the site. so the button is somewhat needed and if used correctly has a good purpose for this site.


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Re: tattling [Re: blaze2]
    #5292633 - 02/12/06 08:24 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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blaze2 said:
The annonymity of it is the problem, people should at least have to man up to their tattling.




It is anonymity that this site is based on, if you want to post your drivers
license, social security number and and that 2 major credit cards I'll be
more than happy to post the names of people that 'rat' the others

The job of the mods and admins isnt just to edit post, hand out bans and answer
a few quesions, it is also to protect the users of this site, what would some
of these users see of the mods/admins if we were to run around posting their
name because they 'snitched' on another user, they'd see that they have little
protection, especialy from the interent bully that was reported to begin with.


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Yet again I assert that this is a drug website and that it is FOR druggies not goody goody tattle tales.




yes, it's a drug website, it's for cultivators, not druggies, members of many
communities online and in real life are 'druggies' but I dont see them here
I see people learning to grow mushrooms, exploring their spirituality, trading
news and views and even socializing.... dont these users have the right to
a little respect from the other members? Wouldnt you like the same sort of
respect?

now, that being said, suppose the post in question is asking for a drug hookup,
offering to solicit drugs, threats of violence against another member or any
number of other things that need to be deleted/dealt with, should it still apply
that their name should be posted, I see those as no different than someone
flaming or harassing another member. When someone starts building a history
of flaming others, why would they deserve to have that info, we know that most
would just start it in PM and at that point, we'd just permaban the offending
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Re: tattling [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5293223 - 02/12/06 11:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

blaze2, to save yourself the trouble of asking for recoding the bb system, I think there's a good chance I clicked the button on you once. I vaguely recall it though, not quite sure. Got a link to the post?

If I did it, I had a good reason. I don't derive pleasure from clicking it, but people post god-fucking-awful-stupid things at times. Sometimes, they're such things that I'd rather not see there, such as sources that should be kept secret/are illegal. Or sometimes it's someone even trying to buy or sell chems and other blatently illegal things on the forum. It really does happen.

I can't say I click the button ever in the pub or anything. Tends to be the psychedelic experience, a more newbie/drug related forum. In the pub, it's generally personal issues, which I agree doesn't concern every single person. It isn't something I do often... but when needed. And you know what? Half the time, it doesn't make a difference because it says that someone else has already notified a mod.

But are you really upset with the "snitch" or the rules? If the button was pressed for a reason that isn't important, the post won't get edited, or closed, and nothing would happen. But if it does, why is the "snitch" to blame, and not the mod who agrees completely with the line of reasoning? Is the reason simply that you don't want to get in trouble for bitching out a mod, or something else?

If they didn't want the button there, it wouldn't be there. So, we can deduce that they want it there, and want it to be used as needed. Posting the 'clicker's name on the post would make people not want to click it at all. The mods wouldn't want this. But... perhaps this is your whole motivation?

This whole thing might not apply to you. I click it when people post sources, or dealing related things. Never on flaming (except stemmer back in the day... but someone usually beat me to it :smile: ) unless it's because people are treating the Psy Exp forum like it's the pub (sunshine). The fact is that it seems to be useful to the mods, not an impairment. I hadn't ever recieved a "don't click that button at times like this" message, only "thanks for helping out, it makes our jobs easier". Though one time someone did something questionable in a thread, and we all posted discussing how it might be illegal. Wiccan came into the thread and scolded us for not notifying a moderator immediately. This is when I started clicking it for source related issues, which happens more often than you'd think.

The board isn't an anarchy. Though all OMC boards stem from usenet, which *is* pretty much anarchy. There's a reason why we're not posting there anymore. The problem isn't snitching being the root of all evil. Is it not the rules themselves that are the problem (in cases where it IS a problem)?

For example, would you protect a murderer? Certainly not. Would you turn in a pot dealer? Hell no. Even if he ripped you off, you don't do that. It's all about who's rules you're playing by, and if they're fair. The problem comes with automatic respect for any rule handed to you. If there are shroomery rules I disagree with morally, obviously I'm not going to defend them. But for the majority, I think the ones in place are there for a good reason.


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Re: tattling [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5294246 - 02/13/06 10:23 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Im not saying the button doesnt have uses you people see black and white, all I said is you should man up to it. If you hit it for a good reason liek say dangerous information/underage, in teh information forums then everyone will know that. If you hit it because you have a personal grudge with someone and just like to point out every minute rule breakage because it boosts your ego, then yea I think everyone would look down on teh freak as they should.

You people are weird you act like "adults"(occasionally), but at the same time you are so far into this little fake online world that you are way out of touch with the actual world. You talk about respect, but I get the feeling that respect to you is just playing by the rules.


"The job of the mods and admins isnt just to edit post, hand out bans and answer
a few quesions, it is also to protect the users of this site, what would some
of these users see of the mods/admins if we were to run around posting their
name because they 'snitched' on another user, they'd see that they have little
protection, especialy from the interent bully that was reported to begin with."



You mods dont need to "protect" anybody. What are you protecting me from WORDS? OOOOHHHH the HOOORRRRRORRRR! You sound like your trying to imitate the fuckin mob. You guys will still have all your own power, but if somone looks to abuse that power as well with that Goddamn button then guess what they are going to lose some reputation, as it should be.


"It is anonymity that this site is based on, if you want to post your drivers
license, social security number and and that 2 major credit cards I'll be
more than happy to post the names of people that 'rat' the others"

Thats quite a big difference. Your just being an ass.


"yes, it's a drug website, it's for cultivators, not druggies, members of many
communities online and in real life are 'druggies' but I dont see them here
I see people learning to grow mushrooms, exploring their spirituality, trading
news and views and even socializing.... dont these users have the right to
a little respect from the other members? Wouldnt you like the same sort of
respect?"

Dude this place is full of druggies, smart ones maybe, but they are still druggies. And respect? sure they have that right, thats why i never push the button.

"now, that being said, suppose the post in question is asking for a drug hookup,
offering to solicit drugs, threats of violence against another member or any
number of other things that need to be deleted/dealt with, should it still apply
that their name should be posted, I see those as no different than someone
flaming or harassing another member. When someone starts building a history
of flaming others, why would they deserve to have that info, we know that most
would just start it in PM and at that point, we'd just permaban the offending
party "

Wow hard to see logic here. Yes I do think you should post the names on all the posts. I would not(and most other people of reason as well) look down on anybody for reporting dangerous behavior, in fact I wouldnt look down on any reportings in the entire psychedelic communtiy part of the site, but the rest is just opinions man all of it, adn if someone who flames is the "internet bully"(god that sounds so dumb), then the snitch is the "INTERNET COWARD". I despise cowards.

Of course you mods like your button and where did I say take it away? it has its uses of course, but like everything else including all your God like Moderating powers, it gets abused by petty cowardly people. Respect is a two way street, tell me why should I respect a snitch?

blaze2


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Re: tattling [Re: blaze2]
    #5294435 - 02/13/06 11:32 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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you are so far into this little fake online world that you are way out of touch with the actual world.




pot.kettle.black.

none of this shit matters really...
..isnt there something else you could be wasting your time on?


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Re: tattling [Re: 40oz]
    #5295073 - 02/13/06 02:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Man im only here because I lost my car when I got it impounded, the real world kicked my ass, so I'm back on the fake one. I know this, sometimes I get hte feeling some people here make this place their whole life. Pretty silly really. I wonder how many pale white single guys frequent this board?


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Re: tattling [Re: 40oz]
    #5295081 - 02/13/06 02:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

"You mods dont need to "protect" anybody. What are you protecting me from WORDS? "

Again, you're discussing the idea of moderation being wrong or right. You have a problem with authority, it's as simple as that. And again, my comments don't apply when it's simply words at stake. I could care less about flaming. Words are a tool. Suggesting that they're anything less is a bit foolish. An RC site link is an array of characters and possibly numbers and other symbols. The moderation has nothing to do with that, but what it represents.

Either you're focusing on more meaningless flaming, like I suggested before, or you don't see any responsibility in what is posted about for actual serious matters.

And if I feel like admitting anything, as I have in this thread, I'll tell you, as I have with people via PM. If it's someone whining about how he can't get acid or RC's, and would someone please PM him him to "chat", I really don't see why this person needs any information at all. He certainly doesn't deserve it at all. Would it be the end of the world? No, probably not. It's usually a new member with less than 10 posts anyway. But is it a right that everyone should have? No.

The last thing I want is for every pissy little person who has a problem with the rules to direct their frustration at me, instead of the rules I agree with that are actually enforced by the site. I didn't think so many pissy people would exist, but your thread makes a good example.

Are there specific rules that you don't like being enforced, or are you upset with the idea that there are rules in the first place? Maybe you could address them individually?


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