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GrapeSoda
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Hpoo pinset looks dismal...
#5290721 - 02/12/06 03:06 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Typically, I keep it pretty simple.. I like the PF tek, and like doing PF cake casings. A dozen in a tray makes a nice casing, and I'm used to seeing pinsets like this:

I decided to give Hpoo a try.. and did everything as typical, except I let the tray of 9pints of Hpoo and 1.5pints of BRF colonize before casing.. this is the only difference between what I normally do, which is case the cakes right away, and what I did this time.. insted of seeing a nice thick pinset.. I got this:

Now, I'll admit.. those pins are pretty monsterous, but are they really going to compare with all the pins I normally get? Normally 95% of the pins mature, so it makes a nice flush.. but this is looking really dismal.. I'm not used to be able to actually count my pins... :\
Are there more pins hiding under the casing layer? Does hpoo pin differently than BRF..?
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GrapeSoda
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Re: Hpoo pinset looks dismal... [Re: GrapeSoda]
#5290723 - 02/12/06 03:08 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Also.. yes, I know it looks very wet... but I just watered it before I took the photo. I'm keeping it the ideal wetness, as typical.. and yes, I know that there is a casing liner in the hpoo casing, and not the BRF.. I have used the liners before with the BRF, to no ill effect.. I just don't have photos of it... The difference here is all Hpoo, I think. :P
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Re: Hpoo pinset looks dismal... [Re: GrapeSoda]
#5290999 - 02/12/06 09:10 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Strain is everything. You can't blame the substrate if the strain is poor. When going from multispore, you have no idea of what you're going to get. Horse manure is the best substrate, in my humble opinion. RR
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kilgore_trout
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Re: Hpoo pinset looks dismal... [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5291008 - 02/12/06 09:20 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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roger is right that it is definitely not the substrates. and yes, multispore does throw in some unpredictability. some strains in a multispore will pin at the drop of a hat, some it seems like almost never. clone the what comes out of those big ones that did pin and you will do much better next time.
however, there is likely some other reason why you got poor pinsets.
and yes you might see many more pins very soon. i can already see some that are just breaking the surface.
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Re: Hpoo pinset looks dismal... [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5291014 - 02/12/06 09:24 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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that top picture looks cool, what all did you use in that?
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kilgore_trout
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Re: Hpoo pinset looks dismal... [Re: kilgore_trout]
#5291016 - 02/12/06 09:25 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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your good pinset pic has a lot more myc coverage of the caing than your bad pinset pic. it seems that the two grows were not the same post-casing; that is to say substrate and even strain do not seem to be the only variables. did you induce pinning in the same conditions with the same myc coverage/level?
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GrapeSoda
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Re: Hpoo pinset looks dismal... [Re: kilgore_trout]
#5291533 - 02/12/06 01:50 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thats just it.. the substrate really is the only variable. Like I said, I do like to keep it simple.. and do multispore inocs.. but it never mattered, I could post a dozen more casings like that one above with good solid pinsets... all multispore. I've always had consistent results. This was preped exactly the same, except for the differences I outlined above.. and it went much differently.. normally I get a little bit of an overlay (As can be seen in the top photo) but it gets broken up during harvest after the first flush.. so its never really an issue... this time, the surface didn't even colonize, but it DID start pinning within 3 days of casing... whereas it would normally take a week+.
The casing is further along now, and its not looking any better, unfortunatly. =\
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Re: Hpoo pinset looks dismal... [Re: GrapeSoda]
#5291807 - 02/12/06 03:28 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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It could be the moisture of the poo when you spawned it with BRF. I noticed that if the poo was overly wet that it seemed to stunt growth. When I made sure it was right at field capacity during spawning, it seemed to colonize much faster and evenly. You want to make sure that the poo is THICK with mycelium before putting a casing layer on, not just a little white. Don't give up on the poo, it's good shit!
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Re: Hpoo pinset looks dismal... [Re: FooMan]
#5291834 - 02/12/06 03:38 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I noticed that you said that you colonized the poo before you placed it in trays. That is probably where your problem is. You need to spawn in your casing container. Keep it in darkness and you won't have a problem. Poo is sensitive to light. You said that it pinned 3 days after casing. IT shouldn't do that. The casing must have gotten too much light earlier int he process to start pinning.
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GrapeSoda
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Re: Hpoo pinset looks dismal... [Re: kungpow]
#5292305 - 02/12/06 06:37 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I actually squeezed the poo pretty hardcore.. since I'm always wary of too much water.. I like to adjust it later with watering.. always seems safer to me. I let those trays colonize till they were thick, trust you-me. Look at the mycelium creeping up the plastic on the side.. it was ferocious!
As for allowing the spawn to colonize in a different container, I explained myself poorly. I mixed them in the casing trays, let it colonize, and Then applied my casing layer.. what you said about lighting could be right, though.. normally the jars go from dark chamber to grated with the cheese grater for casing, and covered in casing.. so no more than an hour of light.. whereas the colonizing trays received ambient light while they colonized.. I feel stupid for not thinking of this..
Hopefully adjusting this will help.
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