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Whats up with my casing?
    #5288673 - 02/11/06 01:16 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

So am I just being impatient or is something up with my casing.  I initiated pinning about two weeks ago and I know these thing take time, but I'm still learning with this whole casing thing and I wanted to run it by you all to see what you think... (overlay?)

This is Rye (EQ strain) cased with 50/50 coco verm (no buffer).  I've got it in my little greenhouse with 24/7 coolmist keeping it at 91% humd. and around 70 degrees.  Heres some pics, sorry about the one being kinda blurry...





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Re: Whats up with my casing? [Re: diablovt1125]
    #5288737 - 02/11/06 01:36 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

That does look a little overlayed.

You want rhizomorphic growth on your casing layer, you don't want large expansive networks of growth. This causes your casing to get waterlogged and discourages growth.

Coir is not the best casing ingredient since it has a high nutrient content. It is aggressively colonized promoting overlay. Some coir is okay, I'd recommend maybe 10% coir, 90% vermiculite next time. Or a 50% peat, 50% vermiculite.

Is there enough FAE in your fruiting chamber? Perhaps the casing is getting dried out?


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Re: Whats up with my casing? [Re: Flippetdlongtime]
    #5290076 - 02/11/06 09:10 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

*Bumb*

Any more thoughts?


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Re: Whats up with my casing? [Re: diablovt1125]
    #5290132 - 02/11/06 09:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

man i havent seen anyone post overlay like that in a while.

ok, your humidity is right. id aim for 72-76 ideally temp wise. but dont sweat it if you cant bump it up a few degrees. you prob have plenty of air exchange with that cool mist bumping 24/7. so your set-up is cool. good job.


now . . . about this overlay. you need to scratch it to break it up, resettle the material, and throw down a little more casing material. do some searches for "+overlay +scratch" "deep scratch" "+overlay +patch" et cetera. put the shit back in to fruit when you see myc reaching the top. do not let it colonize the top. patch it with casing mix to keep it just below the surface. that will give you the best pinning conditions and avoid overlay.


next time . . . use a peat and verm casing. a little coir isnt bad, no more than 20% though. don't let the myc colonize the top. patch it lightly to keep it from doing so. this will prevent overlay and make for a situation more conducive to pinning (micro climate near top of casing layer is humid from casing moisture/airiness and still get good air exchange. gets light too.) read up a lot on pinning and casing teks. hyphae's pinning tek is a very good place to start.VVVVV

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3290155/an/0/page/0


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Re: Whats up with my casing? [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #5290287 - 02/11/06 10:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Fact: Ineffective air exchange.

Remedy: review your air exchange regimen. Your current setup is not effective, review it immediately.


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Re: Whats up with my casing? [Re: Nighted]
    #5290635 - 02/12/06 01:12 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

What do you mean, how so?... Please explain how it is ineffective?


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Re: Whats up with my casing? [Re: diablovt1125]
    #5290716 - 02/12/06 02:55 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well what kind of air exchange are you doing, i.e. how often and for how long.


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Re: Whats up with my casing? [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #5290724 - 02/12/06 03:14 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I have a coolmist running 24/7. Listen, I dont know what he's talking about, all sorts of people use coolmists for both humidity and FAE...

And also, its seems that everyone uses a 50/50 coco verm casing mix. How com suddenly you all are telling me to use peat instead of coco coir?

Im sorry, its late and im a little stoned and confused at the moment. Thanks for the help though everyone!


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Re: Whats up with my casing? [Re: diablovt1125]
    #5290768 - 02/12/06 04:33 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Guess I should have read your origional post a little closer.

No worries, 50/50 coc, verm is a fine casing mix. It does contain a SMALL amount of nutes in it, not large as was said earlier. And some coir better than others?? Bullshit, crushed-shredded coconut shells are crushed-shredded coconut shells.


You may need to induce pinning earlier. Are you having humidity fluctuations?? Also your giving them light??? And how much??? Im also curious about how big your "green house" is.

It is on its way to overlay if it's not actually there already. A scratch and recase can be helpful but in my experience they still flush pretty well if you just let them do their thing. Make sure there is no water building up on the surface of the casing.


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