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Re: Worst trip of my life, really bad.... almost Schizophrenic [Re: Gratos]
    #5289595 - 02/11/06 06:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

the first you are saying like its a fact


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Re: Worst trip of my life, really bad.... almost Schizophrenic [Re: Gratos]
    #5289769 - 02/11/06 07:26 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yes for some people marijuana is psychedelic and does indeed induce a trip. Why don't you go take a look in the Trip Reports section. Especially people who do not use it often.

How can you say pot isn't a psychedelic drug when you quit using it because of the anxiety that came with it? Do you know what psychedelic means? Mind manifesting. Anything that brings up thoughts and alters the user's reality could be said to be psychedelic.

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I would just like to point out that marijuana is not a psychedelic drug and does not induce a 'trip'.




And who told you this, the Commission on Psychedelic Drugs? :rolleyes:

Wow, just scanning over your post, I saw so many contradictions it is ridiculous. You proceed to say marijuana isn't psychedelic then you also like to throw in that "who knows how an individual will react to a given substance." So, uh, which is it? I agree with the second part, not the first. Marijuana is psychedelic, just not as strongly psychedelic as something like mushrooms or LSD.

And both psychedelics and pot can be good and bad. It is all relative.


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Re: Worst trip of my life, really bad.... almost Schizophrenic [Re: mecreateme]
    #5289850 - 02/11/06 07:50 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

EDIT:

To me the term 'tripping' has always been reserved for a substance which created that special psychedelic state of mind (LSD, psilocin, mescaline [all differ in their effects but are similar]). When I said people are going to have different reactions to different substances I was speaking about how they are going to react to the substance, not the substances effect on the mind or body.

Whatever, Im not going to argue the point.


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Re: Worst trip of my life, really bad.... almost Schizophrenic [Re: Gratos]
    #5289928 - 02/11/06 08:16 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

dont worry about religion


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Re: Worst trip of my life, really bad.... almost Schizophrenic [Re: indica]
    #5290329 - 02/11/06 10:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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xk3m_indica said:
dont worry about religion




Strange reply, care to elaborate?

My apologies if it wasnt meant for me as I didn't read the entire thread.


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Re: Worst trip of my life, really bad.... almost Schizophrenic [Re: Gratos]
    #5290365 - 02/11/06 11:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Why doesnt everyone go trip on benadryl or go to their local gas station and buy some ephedrine to go trip on? Surely your tripping so youll have just an insightful and pleasurable experience as LSD, no?

Im so fucking tired of reading posts saying an individual 'tripped' off of such a blatantly non-psychedelic substance I want to fucking puke.

I think Ill quit coming here. For the love of god, educate yourselves about what your putting into your bodies. Marijuana is not a psychedelic, has never been, and never will be, thank you.

EDIT: Can we be any where near specific about the effects of the substances we all proclaim to love so much? I can, how about you? Didnt think so (for most that is).


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Re: Worst trip of my life, really bad.... almost Schizophrenic [Re: leery11]
    #5290537 - 02/12/06 12:27 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I've smoked for about a year and a half and it was always enjoyable and all of the sudden one time I blazed and just broke in half.

I became completely disconnected from reality my mind was shattered, it was full blown psychosis. That was three months ago and I am still fucked and it still lingers. I've had to start seeing a professional and was prescribed a regiment of pharms just to stay grounded in this reality.

For some reason it just triggered and released something inside my head that I can't close shut.


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Re: Worst trip of my life, really bad.... almost Schizophrenic [Re: Gratos]
    #5291129 - 02/12/06 10:38 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

WTF dude? Why should you give a shit about this? Besides one man's defintion is just that one man's definition. I tried to draw you into a discussion of what psychedelic meant. Do you realy know, or not?

If someone trips why don't you leave that to them. You are from such a different relative perspective, how could you ever tell them that they did or didn't trip? Are you psychic? What the hell, man? I do not get why you get off coming on with such authority.

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Marijuana is not a psychedelic, has never been, and never will be...




I advise you to go find yourself some nice Haze, and try it and say pot isn't psychedelic. Some people just don't smoke good pot I guess. Or they start out with big tolerances from alcohol so pot isn't so, mindblowing, I guess. These are just ideas off the top of my head as to why someone would think pot isn't psychedelic. Remember, it means mind manifesting. Have you never used pot to observe your own thoughts and thought patterns? I guess not all people are adept at using marijuana though.


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Re: Worst trip of my life, really bad.... almost Schizophrenic [Re: mecreateme]
    #5291200 - 02/12/06 11:26 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Weed is most definitely a psychedelic. It's listed, technically speaking, as a hallucinogenic. And although few people have 'trips' on weed it's not to say it's impossible. I've been damn close. Suffice to say I don't understand how someone could have a trip to the extent of this one, but not all minds are alike.

But threads like these are why I fucking LOVE this message board. Such a flow of ideas, and props to the original poster for a burgeoning topic.

Honestly man, if you try to decipher everything at once, nothing will be accomplished. I don't know what caused all that chaos but you gotta pick something and work it out. I find myself in the same infinite loop all the time, without the assistance of drugs. Wondering about complicated things, then deciding that they're not meant to be figured out and they're too complicated to spend that much time on, then being content with my place as just another simpleton that, at one time, was lucky enough to experience something so amazing. I'm settled somewhere in the middle now. There's a lot out there to ponder, sometimes I do and sometimes I don't. I take things one at a time.


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Re: Worst trip of my life, really bad.... almost Schizophrenic [Re: supersapien]
    #5291310 - 02/12/06 12:28 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

respect the herb :wink: it can kick you in the ass like you saw. weed trips me out, to the point of oevs sometimes. music sends me way out there. after 4 months without a smoke, the first bowl got me really fried. i was playing around w/ my juno-106 synth that i had just got which tripped me out even more. it felt like i went inside my head and each time i played a key it resonated through me. herb is an amazing thing :smile:

take some time off and think about shit. herb can really pull you into things. i get totally engulfed in whatever im doing. if you go back to smoking youll have some more respect for it now :wink:

and Gratos ... you are quite ignorant or have never smoked a fair amount in one session alone.


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Re: Worst trip of my life, really bad.... almost Schizophrenic [Re: new_to_shrooms]
    #5291352 - 02/12/06 12:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Let me help settle this little argument over whether pot is a psychadelic drug or not. It is classified as a halucinogen, but many consider it in its own little categorie. It does not have the same effects as what we normally consider psychedelic drugs, but it does change the way your senses interpret the world and could very well lead to a crazy state of mind like this, but it may be the person more than it is the pot. I for one have had slight visuals on weed, but it is very different then what I consider normal psychedelic visuals. The fact of the matter is it can be considered a psychedelic but its dependant opon the persons reaction to it, and it may not be considered a psychedelic by another's reaction to it. So I guess your both right, but in your experience. We could get technical and try to research what scientists really define it is, but to put it bluntly and clearly, it all depends on the persons reaction. Your both right.


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Re: Worst trip of my life, really bad.... almost Schizophrenic [Re: pH_]
    #5291400 - 02/12/06 01:03 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

that was an excellent read. I like the way you express your thoughts.


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Re: Worst trip of my life, really bad.... almost Schizophrenic [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5291509 - 02/12/06 01:41 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

This isn't about someone being right. It is about dispelling some guy who talks like an authority. Authority doesn't exist. You are the only one that can put any meaning in anything that anyone you think is qualified to tell you. In other words, the meaning of words is up to you, don't go suck off Webster or some other "authority" you may want to look to. Trust yourself. Nothing wrong with sharing your opinion, but passing it off as truth is kind of wrong, in my book.

There never was an argument about pot being a psychedelic. Only someone blatantly denying reality. :grin:


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Re: Worst trip of my life, really bad.... almost Schizophrenic [Re: mecreateme]
    #5292046 - 02/12/06 05:04 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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WTF dude? Why should you give a shit about this? Besides one man's definition is just that one man's definition. I tried to draw you into a discussion of what psychedelic meant. Do you relay know, or not?

If someone trips why don't you leave that to them. You are from such a different relative perspective, how could you ever tell them that they did or didn't trip? Are you psychic? What the hell, man? I do not get why you get off coming on with such authority.

You are correct sir and I realize I am no ones 'trip' authority. I still believe that a trip is an effect caused by a psychedelic drug.  Ive seen trips defined as anything form benadryl to quality LSD on these boards and it just kinda irks me. We have different definitions of our explorations, lets leave it at that. Probably an age difference defines our terminology.

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and Gratos ... you are quite ignorant or have never smoked a fair amount in one session alone.




I can assure you that this is not the case :smile:.


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Re: Worst trip of my life, really bad.... almost Schizophrenic [Re: Gratos]
    #5292398 - 02/12/06 07:05 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Does the name of this post mean nothing to you?

What about the first line? Why did you come into this post to address this issue? As you can see, if you read the post, this guy really tripped out. I am willing to bet it was from some high quality herb, which if one is less experienced with psychedelic drugs, can and will indeed induce a trip in many people. Your definitions are way too tight and controlling to describe much.

Perhaps what you are looking for is describing your effects more in depth than just "psychedelic," to mean that certain feeling, whatever that is to you. To me it is a feeling of being connected to everything that exists. To others it is seeing melting visuals, and to others it is using a strange new sense they have never encountered before, or perhaps all senses become one, or on, and on...

I assure you, with more years, you embrace more perspectives, that is if you are living and growing. Open your mind a little... :grin: :thumbup:


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Re: Worst trip of my life, really bad.... almost Schizophrenic [Re: Gratos]
    #5292494 - 02/12/06 07:30 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Gratos said:
Why doesnt everyone go trip on benadryl or go to their local gas station and buy some ephedrine to go trip on? Surely your tripping so youll have just an insightful and pleasurable experience as LSD, no?

Im so fucking tired of reading posts saying an individual 'tripped' off of such a blatantly non-psychedelic substance I want to fucking puke.

I think Ill quit coming here. For the love of god, educate yourselves about what your putting into your bodies. Marijuana is not a psychedelic, has never been, and never will be, thank you.

EDIT: Can we be any where near specific about the effects of the substances we all proclaim to love so much? I can, how about you? Didnt think so (for most that is).




Yikes... ignorance is bliss, eh? There is nothing less than psychedelic about smoking 5 grams of skunk/ak out of the volcano. Wake up and don't post ignorance...


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Re: Worst trip of my life, really bad.... almost Schizophrenic [Re: AlwaysFlowin]
    #5292526 - 02/12/06 07:43 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

back onto the topping of "Letting Go", this is what works for me, your mileage may vary.

First, you have to have a dose high enough to allow the process of "letting go" to flow a bit easier. If you're borderline, your sober mind is stronger and fights more.

Also, if you find yourself coming up too fast and things are getting intense, just spread the doses out more. With shrooms I usually dose all at once because I like the rush, but with a drug like LSD, it can really help to split a decent sized dose into 3 parts, each about an hour apart. This way its not such a mindfuck and you can get comfortable before deciding OK now I want to let go.

Lastly, make sure things are in order...ie clean the house before u trip, focus on set and setting, and try doing something creative for the first part of the trip, so u feel like you've already accomplished something and not a whole lot of pressure is riding on whether or not you can successfully 'let go'.

As for the process, put a good song on, I recommend Pink Floyd, and try to forget you're tripping (I know that sounds hard but bare with me) just relax. After I started meditating (which is sporadic at best) it also became easier for me to find that trance-like state. Once you've let go, you really know it. It feels like you're being launched. Hope these tips can help you.


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Re: Worst trip of my life, really bad.... almost Schizophrenic [Re: kake]
    #5293976 - 02/13/06 08:20 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Short update, I get why people are saying it isn't "psychedelic" to me the distinction between weeds strongly psychedelic (yes, strongly for me) properites and the psychedelic properites of something like LSA are completely different.

That's because they are, we're talking something (dopamine [weed?]) vs serotonin....... and that's why I'm caught up on this devil/God stuff, becasue weed is just not that loving nurturing "trip" that LSA (and i assume anything serotogenic) is.

Weed is like you collapse into your own mind moreso than for me LSA is like the world collapses into you and you in turn into the world. The way the thoughloops exist, or don't exist, is entirely different, but synchronicity seems to be the prime focus of marijuana whereas there is no synchronicity at all on LSA....

in fact the first LSA trip I ever had, I smoked and had one of these kinds of trips from watching the TV, nay had the TV TALK TO ME, audibly, and I was told to never smoke pot again.

Which I questioned and disobeyed dozens of times.

And to clear things up I smoke a hell of a lot, I just have low tolerance..... I can smoke a tiny nug and get blazed or a whole bowl of get blazed..... of the same bag. It doesn't really seem to matter it just depends on how my mind is at the time. I do almost ALWAYS get CEVs from schwag alone and OEVs in the dark. The first time I ever smoked I could make sounds repeat themselves over and over and over.

I do trip, but it's not the same kind of trip as on a more "true" psychedelic, for sure. Still this is a stronger trip than I've ever had on LSA or DXM and in many ways was more terrorizing than salvia.

I'll reply to more stuff/update or whatever later.


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Re: Worst trip of my life, really bad.... almost Schizophrenic [Re: leery11]
    #5294233 - 02/13/06 10:16 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I'd like to have some of whatever he's smokin!


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Re: Worst trip of my life, really bad.... almost Schizophrenic [Re: Sinthetic]
    #5295140 - 02/13/06 02:44 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I guess all I really gather is that I have become spineless and let other people convince me of their views and conceptions of reality. I am very much paralyzed by religious dogma, as evident by the hell theme and of thinking weed may be "evil" and well it just all seems to relate to me not having a strong will where I can go out and discover my own truths.

It also represents my fear of the uncertain.... and in trying to understand the uncomprehensible I have driven myself a little crazy. Who the hell knows if there's a hell or how you go to it. But man, I really think this experience is like the exact state of consciousness you are in when you are a very young child. Which makes me really leery of what television these days does to children.

So yeah I don't know. I feel normal except I've been thinking about the trip a bit and trying to see how I can use the experience to shape my conceptions and whatnot. Is it all delusional nonsense, is it all truth? Is truth and delusion one in the same? All I know is human existence doesn't make sense to me.... and that I have isolated myself from other humans far too much.

The old returns as the new conforms
beause you're the one who fell into a self created hell.
There's no way out when you build a severed shell that shields too many out.

soften this old armor
contemplate what i've been clinging to
i've been picking my scabs again.

It's just weird like I have a random memory of being on a hallucinagen eating oatmeal or something with a group of people before going to work, or whatever. It never happened in this life. I have all sorts of these kinds of memories. It's like I'm being teased with glimpses of something that I'm looking for, but in getting closer to them they only drive me to ask more questions and be more confused.

Also while on the trip I got this vivid impression of me and these people holding hands floating through different dimensions together [LITERALLY, maybe even going somewhere entirely new], like that's what should be happening, but it wasn't what was happening. And like I have done that before.

It makes me really feel like I need life partners.


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Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


Edited by leery11 (02/13/06 02:46 PM)


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