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Offlinecupevampe
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Why should people do cakes instead of casings?
    #5280950 - 02/09/06 08:44 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I really don't understand why some people prefer cakes to casings; casings are better under every point of view
Until now, I didn't get one single failure with casings, and i'm not "perfect" with sterility and such
I would raccomend everyone to start casing now and don't waste time and energy with cakes. I say this because I myself wasted time and energy with cakes and i don't want this to happen with you guys. Correct me if I'm wrong!


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Re: Why should people do cakes instead of casings? [Re: cupevampe]
    #5280954 - 02/09/06 08:49 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

well, the pf tek was designed for any average joe to do a successful joe-grow. It's pretty simple. PC, inoculate, wait, birth, fan.


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Re: Why should people do cakes instead of casings? [Re: Fraggin]
    #5280958 - 02/09/06 08:51 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

cakes can be steamed. I was always told they were far easier but I find casing easier/more successful


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Re: Why should people do cakes instead of casings? [Re: blackout]
    #5280977 - 02/09/06 09:02 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I agree but some people just want as little to do with it as possible so they mix it, heat it, inoculate it, and birth it.

they don't want to mess around with getting their hands dirty or "shitty" and don't want to play with hydrating grains or grinding cakes.

i like how it was put.... a joe grow


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Re: Why should people do cakes instead of casings? [Re: thenewguy05]
    #5281083 - 02/09/06 09:34 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well, I am starting out with a batch of cakes for it seemed to me more dummy proof than casings and I don't have a pressure cooker. I do plan to get a pressure cooker and switch to cased rye in the future.

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Re: Why should people do cakes instead of casings? [Re: revbear]
    #5281113 - 02/09/06 09:43 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You don't need an pressure cooker for doing casings.
If you have fully colonized BRF cakes, the step to case them is a baby step!

Crumble your cakes in an container.
Add casing mix.

Done.

Also maintaining a bit lower RH is easier than maintaining a high.
And the yield is more with casing.
Need I go on?

Search for "casing 101" and Hyphae's "pinning strategy"

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Re: Why should people do cakes instead of casings? [Re: Dr_Demented]
    #5281174 - 02/09/06 10:02 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

i tried a casing but its been 5 days and nothings happening. also i used verm as my casing layer. but i cant find any coco coir at walmart. i hear pet shops have them?


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Re: Why should people do cakes instead of casings? [Re: revbear]
    #5281253 - 02/09/06 10:28 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

revbear said:
more dummy proof



If you want the easiest no brainer try sclerotia, a stupid monkey could grow it.


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Re: Why should people do cakes instead of casings? [Re: blackout]
    #5281284 - 02/09/06 10:35 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

REIGN~ goto pet co and look for compressed retile bedding.


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Re: Why should people do cakes instead of casings? [Re: Dr_Demented]
    #5281742 - 02/09/06 01:07 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I hadn't realized it was so easy. I have 4 cakes growing mycelium now, when they are ready I definitely will try casing a couple of them. I still mean to get a pressure cooker and try the rye substrate next.

love, revbear


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Re: Why should people do cakes instead of casings? [Re: blackout]
    #5281771 - 02/09/06 01:14 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

blackout said:
Quote:

revbear said:
more dummy proof



If you want the easiest no brainer try sclerotia, a stupid monkey could grow it.





Hey, who're you calling stupid?


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Re: Why should people do cakes instead of casings? [Re: Premedman1]
    #5283070 - 02/09/06 07:22 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

cased a quart of wbs ang got 128 gr
inoc to fruit in 1 month

did 12 1/2 pint jars some got contams
only produced 28 grams per jar
inoc to fruit a little more than 1 month

so 12 jars of wbs are as easy to do as 12 cakes
3 casing in the fc at 128 each =374g
9 cakes in the fc at 28 each = 252g

no more cakes for the big man
+ i like 7" mushrooms alot more than 2" mushrooms


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Re: Why should people do cakes instead of casings? [Re: boosthappyvw]
    #5283080 - 02/09/06 07:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well... people shouldn't do cakes instead of casings. Zing!


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Re: Why should people do cakes instead of casings? [Re: cupevampe]
    #5283096 - 02/09/06 07:27 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

your right pf cakes are only good if you dont have a pc but have tons of other money to waste on organicly grown brow rice flour and things like that.


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Re: Why should people do cakes instead of casings? [Re: Hoss]
    #5283119 - 02/09/06 07:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Cakes give you experience and knowledge, crawl before you walk. Some aren't as lucky the first time they try casing. My friend started with PF cakes, later to advance to bulk with much better results.

Cakes are an easy way to get started on the beautiful hobby of mycology.


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Re: Why should people do cakes instead of casings? [Re: Fick_Duck]
    #5283138 - 02/09/06 07:38 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I think that a few rye failuars would be cheaper and you would learn more than a few pf failuars. Rye is only 18 cents per pound. flour is way more than that. I think that growing on grains will teach you just as much if not more than pf. The frist time I did rye I was 100% contam free. Rye has like 4 less steps in the makeing of a jar than pf tek.


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Re: Why should people do cakes instead of casings? [Re: onetime]
    #5283431 - 02/09/06 08:49 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Not to mention casings are alot less of a hassle.

With PF cakes you have to maintain very high humidity--perlite, airstones, heavy misting, etc...

You also have to dunk between each flush!

Now with casings it's more like; set it, and forget it! Well, you still have to mist and fan. And between flushes you CAN dunk if you want, but you can just mist heavily.

EDIT:
Don't forget the better yields! =]


Edited by Hoss (02/09/06 08:49 PM)


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Re: Why should people do cakes instead of casings? [Re: cupevampe]
    #5283569 - 02/09/06 09:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

It's a way to get people into the hobby. I'm not knocking it for that reason (plenty of other reasons to knock it), it's actually a good thing, least it has been for me. I've bought 2 bags of crushed corn cob, a bag of peat, 2 bags of oyster shell, a bag of calcium carbonate, a bale of straw, a bag of worm castings, 6 bags of assorted compost, 8 mixing tubs, 5 storage tubs, a PH meter, a humidifyer, some screen, 5 sets of quart jars, a 12 quart PC, a garden hose, a paper cutter, 4 cubic feet of vermiculite, quarts of hydrogen peroxide, alcohol, gloves, several types of sealant, several bowls, 60 pounds of wild bird seed, and the list goes on.

It all started when I read that I could grow some shrooms for less than 50 bucks :grin:

Plus, PF tek takes up very little space, that's a consideration for many.

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Re: Why should people do cakes instead of casings? [Re: onetime]
    #5283578 - 02/09/06 09:14 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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onetime said:
your right pf cakes are only good if you dont have a pc but have tons of other money to waste on organicly grown brow rice flour and things like that.




Organic Brown Rice is $2 at the Grocery Store.....Coffee Grinder is $16.


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Re: Why should people do cakes instead of casings? [Re: xxanxx]
    #5283835 - 02/09/06 10:17 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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xxanxx said:
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onetime said:
your right pf cakes are only good if you dont have a pc but have tons of other money to waste on organicly grown brow rice flour and things like that.




Organic Brown Rice is $2 at the Grocery Store.....Coffee Grinder is $16.





You might be rich but 18 cents for one pound of rye dosnet compare to 2$ bag of flour becouse you need like 4 bags just to do 12 pints when it only takes 12 cups wich would be less than a dollars worth rye to do 12 qt jars. I think it is fun for a novilty project but for cant be done for pennys.


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Re: Why should people do cakes instead of casings? [Re: onetime]
    #5284030 - 02/09/06 11:01 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

well for me pf cakes where good, a confidence builder. so if you have never grown mushies it is good , not saying other methods are not doable by newbies , but you have to pay more attention or you are not going to get much. the very first time i tried growing was with a kit it sucked , only got less then an eighth, but the next attempt was using the method outlined in the Terrence McKenna book, i failed , i gave up till i seen PF Tek , had great success , then next i tried LC with PF , it worked better then i had ever planned, around that time i tried some wbs with my cakes , which got cased. now it is off to try a comparison of WBS , RYE Berries , And WBS H POO, then Rye Berries H poo. then i will know which works best for me. like the 1 guy said ya must crawl before you walk .


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Re: Why should people do cakes instead of casings? [Re: Mycophreek423]
    #5284282 - 02/10/06 12:21 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Why should they??
I think you can get good results on cakes, not GREAT, but good.
Im glad i did !!











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