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Offlinefazdazzle
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What is the deal?
    #5280201 - 02/09/06 12:38 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

So I asked a kid today that I work with if he could find some acid; he bagan by saying, "why do you want that? It burns holes in your brain." I told him right away "that's nThis kid seems to be pretty smart - going to be a doctor. *Why are people so ignorant?* Am I seriously misinformed? *everyone* I talk to says that I should stay away from LSD.

I have come to the conclusion that anyone that has had a bad experience took more than they should of or else, they just plain had a bad experience just like what could happen on shrooms. Everyone I know is cool with shrooms, bud acid is a different story.

One of my friends said that LSD will change your life, for the worse. The guy i mentioned before said that you will cartoons walking around (this I definitely think is a direct result of dosage.)


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Re: What is the deal? [Re: fazdazzle]
    #5280210 - 02/09/06 12:42 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You should never "see" cartoons walking around on even the highest dose. And both of those kids have their heads up their asses when it comes to acid.

LSd is not populare among those who know what they are talking about because it changes your life for the worse.

Thats all bullshit. Its one of the most interesting hallucinogens out there.

The visuals are less other-worldly than mushrooms. In my opinion psilocybin is more harmful to the psyche than lsd (not harmful at all for most people) although lsd lasts longer, and has more persistant after effects for weeks if you take a high dose. The only people who have problems with these drugs have taken them many many times or have mental conditions(or are prone to metal disorders).
Id be more worried about taking mdma than any high dose of acid.
The burning holes in your brain stuff is total crap. If he is going to be a doctor, I dont know what to say. Sounds like some hip kid who will say anything in order to seem well-informed.


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Re: What is the deal? [Re: stemmer]
    #5280304 - 02/09/06 01:19 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yeh, stemmer I agree with you pretty much 100%

Obviously people that don't like a drug won't promote it.

and the doctor thing..I dunno, I was a little surprised, but I can see in him the ability to discern, ya know? He seems pretty open and I think If I showed him what's up and all that, he'd probably make a good dicision in his mind.

"The visuals are less other-worldly than mushrooms."

Yeah from what I've read shrooms are more cartoon-y (dreamy)than LSD.

And to add to the case the guy who said cartoons walk around said he had shrooms with LSD dripped on them, which I know we've had a topic about before, so I almost instantly denied that. My other friend who said it would change your life said he was pretty sure the last shrooms he had were lsd laced; I was naturally scepetical. 

WTF??! haha it's just so weird. basically *everyone* I'm around is so freaked out from LSD or anything "harder" than what they're used to....Is the anti-drug campaign working?? :confused:


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Re: What is the deal? [Re: fazdazzle]
    #5280312 - 02/09/06 01:22 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

The funny thing about it, and a valuable lesson about the war on drugs, is that they're *still doing* them.

I know a girl who was saving her lsd to do on a good day, where she wouldn't be busy the next day. Sounds good enough, but what was her reason? She knew her back would hurt, because acid builds up in the spine.

It's bad enough to believe such rumors... but it's interesting when even the extreme ficticious ones are completely ineffective to counter the desire to do the drug.


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Re: What is the deal? [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5280330 - 02/09/06 01:26 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah everyone I know knew nothing about LSD and shrooms and were scared shitless of them, I've spent about a year reading erowid and this site and learning about all other wonderful psychedelics and slowly introduced people to them, now they have no fear because they aresomewhat informed.
I've been spreading the truthful information about these drugs wisely, so people know what they are taking and what it's going to do to them, the ignorance pisses me off


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Re: What is the deal? [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5280338 - 02/09/06 01:28 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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elgr said:... but it's interesting when even the extreme ficticious ones are completely ineffective to counter the desire to do the drug.




You got me pegged! lol I thought the exact same thing after I talked to this kid. I was thinking to myself, "why so I feel such a strong desire to experience LSD, even though I hear so much "first hand evidence" against it?"

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xk3m_indica said:
...the ignorance pisses me off





no kidding huh? It's rediculous. I've always felt like I'm a quest for truth, not sure about you :wink:


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Re: What is the deal? [Re: fazdazzle]
    #5280351 - 02/09/06 01:31 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

"Yeah man, it rots holes in your brain, but according to my calculations, I've still got 84% hole free. Wanna dose on friday?"

Someone who belives this and does it anyway has as little respect for his or her brain as a gas huffer would have.


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Re: What is the deal? [Re: fazdazzle]
    #5280360 - 02/09/06 01:34 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Large doses of shrooms have killed some people(only 7+ grams in some older folks). MASSIVE doses of lsd, like, 1000 times the standard high doses can be ingested and it wont kill you for certain.
LSd is a totally different drug. I do think the anti-drug campaign is working on some drug users even. My health teacher in high school would have said the same things about acid.
I even know some hippy "kids", that wont take acid. To me that is funny. Its one of the most self analytical hallucinogens, and has some of the most interesting geometric visual/audio visuals.
I would not compare it to anything except lsa's and mescaline cacti. The visuals are somewhat similare to a high dose of maois, but not as close to the lsd experience as lsa's or mescaline.
Its just another hallucinogen. If you want to draw the line somewhare dont start with lsd, draw the line at datura type plants, mdma, and research chemicals.
LSD is good for you, just dont take too much your first time, work up to a high dose, and dont take it too often just because it is so very enlightening and even enjoyable.


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Re: What is the deal? [Re: stemmer]
    #5280382 - 02/09/06 01:42 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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I even know some hippy "kids", that wont take acid. To me that is funny.





Lol! I think that is the funniest thing. I know some of the same people...Now when I see "hippy kids" I always wonder in my mind, "are they turned on?"


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Re: What is the deal? [Re: fazdazzle]
    #5281147 - 02/09/06 09:54 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I think one big reason for this kind of missinformation is the fact it is called ACID... ppl know acid from lemons, batteries and what made that some comicbook villians so ugly and pissed. So, i guess it is normal, but well, those who know or will to meet lucy understand what it is about. Personally i find shrooms more insightful than acid but i dun like to compare'em anyway, i luv acid and trance music n_n


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Re: What is the deal? [Re: AngeloWish]
    #5281206 - 02/09/06 10:16 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

LSD misinformation is rampant.

Even some of my 'druggie' friends who did loads of partying tell me to stay away from it. I'll ask them why, the best they can come up with 'its just bad for you'

I'll show them proof/research that says its safer then the stuff that they do.

I'll ask them to show me their proof that they are bad for me, and the best they can come up with is 'it just is bad', and not be able to back it up.


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Re: What is the deal? [Re: stemmer]
    #5281249 - 02/09/06 10:28 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Large doses of shrooms have killed some people(only 7+ grams in some older folks).




Huh? I was under the impression that there has never been a recorded death directly related to a psilocybin "overdose".

People doing life-threatening stuff while tripping however, is a different story.


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Re: What is the deal? [Re: Chikitta]
    #5281480 - 02/09/06 11:39 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

He is wrong, i've seen people eat absolutely massive amounts of mushrooms (to me anyway, like over a half ounce dried), and while it is stupid, it won't kill you.


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Re: What is the deal? [Re: jmg5]
    #5281542 - 02/09/06 12:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

The only psyilocybin death I've read of is in the Brotherhood of Eternal Love book. This was in the 60s, and they had bottles of pure psilocybin (sandoz used to make those too). Not sure if they got it from sandoz, or if it was pure, or even the right product, or what ungodly amount they took.

But it's a lot easier to pop a few pills than to jam your stomach full of mushrooms. By the time you'd be anywhere near danger, I really don't think you could manage to eat.


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Re: What is the deal? [Re: jmg5]
    #5281543 - 02/09/06 12:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Just because you have seen people trip on high doses and they haven't died doesn't mean he is wrong. As far as I know psilocybin is fairly safe but I would not be too surprised if a few people elderly had died under its influence due to raised blood pressure for example.


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Re: What is the deal? [Re: kaniz]
    #5281704 - 02/09/06 12:55 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

yeah the friend he is referring to here is "the big druggie" friend of the group (seems to always be one) and he said the acid he had was dripped on shrooms. rumors compounding on rumors. Even if it was true it's an unfair judgement. I wouldn't hate OJ forever if for the first time I had it in a strong screwdriver.


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Re: What is the deal? [Re: fazdazzle]
    #5281825 - 02/09/06 01:27 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the physical toxicity of LSD-25 is lower than that of vitamen C.

All it can really do is fuck you up mentally I guess. Unless you are consuming truely enormous doses. Any asshole that would eat that much LSD to themselves is a selfish bastard.


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Re: What is the deal? [Re: abrad84]
    #5282324 - 02/09/06 03:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Just because you have seen people trip on high doses and they haven't died doesn't mean he is wrong. As far as I know psilocybin is fairly safe but I would not be too surprised if a few people elderly had died under its influence due to raised blood pressure for example.




I get ya.  A death from 7 grams does seem a little far-fetched to me though. :mushroom2: :smile:



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Re: What is the deal? [Re: jmg5]
    #5282619 - 02/09/06 05:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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jmg5 said:
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abrad84 said:
Just because you have seen people trip on high doses and they haven't died doesn't mean he is wrong. As far as I know psilocybin is fairly safe but I would not be too surprised if a few people elderly had died under its influence due to raised blood pressure for example.




I get ya.  A death from 7 grams does seem a little far-fetched to me though. :mushroom2: :smile:





For real. There are too many hotshots that wouldn't still be posting here if that were the norm.


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Re: What is the deal? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #5282706 - 02/09/06 05:40 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

"He is wrong, i've seen people eat absolutely massive amounts of mushrooms (to me anyway, like over a half ounce dried), and while it is stupid, it won't kill you"

I was just trying to say that the physical effects of mushrooms are far more able to kill than any amount of acid you might be able to get your hands on. Older people, and Small children apparently dont handle the stress it can put on the body very well.
Ive read of, I think around two cases of mushroom death in older people, one of those people was only in their 40s. He just got more sick and more violent as the night wore on, fell into a coma and died. This was likely blood pressure/anxiety related brain aneurism
Then there is the account of two young kids, I forgot their ages, that picked 2 full meals worth of liberty caps and had terrible hallucinations. One of the kids was in the hospital for days just because of the hallucinations, and the younger kid fell into a coma, and then died. The mushrooms were identified by the parents, and the autopsy confirmed this. Those are the only two stories I can remember very well at all.
None of these deaths were due to doses that you would think could harm you, though they were large amounts. So they are not your typical cases of overdose. They were case-specific occurances.

You could look at it this way, If my dad never went to the doctor he wouldnt know that his body is pretty much all fucked up. If that was the case he might eat a shitload of shrooms, and if he didnt get to the hospital fast enough and was experiencing hypercardia do to anxiety etc, he could die if the stars were in alignment.

dieing from 7 grams is not normal, I dont think anyone was saying that this is the case. Dieing from eating a half ounce or an ounce is not normal. Dieing from mushrooms is VERY rare. Its even hard to find those reports. In each case, there is certainly someone, some child, some old dude with the exact same health and dose that would not have died. It is case -specific, and very rare.
Its like the poor 35-45 year old woman who died from ingesting ayahuasca on a retreit. Im sure it was a fat dose, and im sure the one who made the stuff was VERY surprized. That sort of thing is just as rare. This too is a well documented case. But again, even another person with the same health, same age, same dose, wouldnt necessarily have died.


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