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CUBErt
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Time to dance with Sally D. Last words of wisdom.
#5279651 - 02/08/06 10:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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So I have done salvia on a few occasions, though never really the "right way." Only once was out of a bong and I packed too much weed under it insead of using a screen. Anyways, I received my two grams of 20x from IAmShaman and me and a friend want to do it this weekend once his mom leaves town. We should be able to get a bong, and to be smart we are gonna take turns trying it, since neither of us has fully broken through yet. Now, my friend has been known to frequently have bad trips on mushrooms, and I have read many accounts of people doing some weird things on salvia (like trying to run out of the house, etc). If this is to occur, or if he freaks out in any way, are there any tried and true methods of calming him down. Its easier on mushrooms when you can kinda talk to the person and convince them its gonna be okay, but with salvia seems like he may end up being totally beyond communication. I think it will go smoothly, but does anyone have any advice?
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stemmer
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Re: Time to dance with Sally D. Last words of wisdom. [Re: CUBErt]
#5279871 - 02/08/06 10:43 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Its just a drug, nothing he will have to deal with for more than 5 min. You can tell him that. If he really gets upset and very weird on mushrooms(its somewhat normal to become weirded out, but getting violent etc is a very strange response). If that is the kind of bad trip he has had, or if he speaks in tongues or something, I would suggest you dont be around when he smokes salvia. Other than that, salvia aint all its cracked up to be. It can indeed be extreemely intense, but it lasts a short period of time. The only smokable psychadelic I can think of that compares is smoked DMT. Then again, Smoked dmt lasts longer and has far more potential to freak out a person who is prone to bad trips. Salvia 20x should break you way the hell through if you smoke one fat hit or more. Just try to be observant of you friend after his first massive hit. One massive hit of 20x is a simple and safe way to become well aquainted with the drug. Dont let him smoke more than one massive hit the first time. I would suggest any more for anyone who has not broken through. Unless you know how effective 20x can be, id suggest one massive hit your first time. 1 hit of 10x will often do the trick for the more experienced users of psychadelics
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Re: Time to dance with Sally D. Last words of wisdom. [Re: stemmer]
#5279887 - 02/08/06 10:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Relax and go wit the flOw
like that little blue smurf between then 's
hold the sm0ke 1n if u want to see.salvia.space
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leery11
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Re: Time to dance with Sally D. Last words of wisdom. [Re: fresh313]
#5279914 - 02/08/06 10:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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meditate before you do it!
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
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CUBErt
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Re: Time to dance with Sally D. Last words of wisdom. [Re: leery11]
#5280036 - 02/08/06 11:16 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah I will probably meditate the night before. My friend, hes not exactly the meditation type. Although he did express interest in it once before. Hes a really fun guy to just get stoned and laugh with, but he needs some serious blows to the ego and often seems resistant to the psychedelic experience (by that I mean hes all for ingesting the drug, but the ego later rejects it). I am just a little concerned about him as opposed to myself. I always kinda tend to ease my way into these things. So many kids around me just dive right into it and those are the kids that end up on the evening news cuz they thought they could fly. I was just lookin for a little reassurance to make sure it'll all go smoothly. Thanks for the words of wisdom
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leery11
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Re: Time to dance with Sally D. Last words of wisdom. [Re: CUBErt]
#5280046 - 02/08/06 11:19 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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well the thing is i'd meditate right before smoking, it takes most of the terror and confusion away.
meditate lying down, relax and let go, smoke, lie back down. experience.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
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CUBErt
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Re: Time to dance with Sally D. Last words of wisdom. [Re: leery11]
#5280127 - 02/09/06 12:07 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yea I will see if my friend is down to try some meditation. Perhaps thats the key to making him have better experiences overall. But also I really find that if I meditate right before bed I lie down just feeling really good and wake up refreshed and alert the next day. Its really the closest I have come (by natural means), to feeling as good as going to bed on opiates.
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Re: Time to dance with Sally D. Last words of wisdom. [Re: CUBErt]
#5280645 - 02/09/06 03:35 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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If he freaks out, hold his ass down. There's no talking someone out of a BAD, BAD salvia trip. It may freak him out even more but it'll only be for five minutes. I'm serious.
I know when I did salvia, this world didn't seem real. The people around me looked like other people, everything seemed fake, I hated and was disgusted by the whole world. I can only imagine what would have happened on 40x as opposed to 15x. AFOAF believed he was on fire and ran out of the house and rolled around in the snow, because he was by himself, another FOAF freaked the hell out and started flailing around, had forgotten he had even done a drug and thought it was happening on its own.
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Re: Time to dance with Sally D. Last words of wisdom. [Re: stemmer]
#5280807 - 02/09/06 06:39 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Its just a drug, nothing he will have to deal with for more than 5 min.
Ummm.. Salvia is the most potent mind altering substance known to man. Many people who know both intimately state that Salvinorin blows DMT right out of the water as for intensity, but that this often isnt in a good way.
Perfectly normal people can be thrown off for days, weeks or months by a strong negative psychedelic experience, and not a few people have sworn off all psychoactives by the sheer terror they felt during those "mere five minutes".
Your attitude in some people may provoke respectless and reckless use, because "it's only five minutes".
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One massive hit of 20x is a simple and safe way to become well aquainted with the drug. Dont let him smoke more than one massive hit the first time.

Normal people who smoke S20 the right way need only 1/40 gram for a really strong experience. A typical bowl holds 1/3 gram.
1/40gr Salvia 20x is a wisp of smoke easily held in and by no means a massive hit. Many people, if they do it right, will have an interesting closed-eye experience with 1/100gr of Salvia 20x and at a salvinorin content of a kosher 500-600mcg per 10mg they better should.
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Other than that, salvia aint all its cracked up to be. (...) Smoked dmt lasts longer and has far more potential to freak out a person who is prone to bad trips.
Stemmer, in this post you're a dispenser of uniquely bad advice.
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CUBErt
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Re: Time to dance with Sally D. Last words of wisdom. [Re: Asante]
#5282210 - 02/09/06 03:13 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks for some of that clarification Wiccan_Seeker. I will try to get my friend to start small and go for the closed-eyed visuals and stuff. As for myself, I think I am ready to be blasted off into the cosmos. We will find out pretty soon
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