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Another first time grow, advice needed.
    #5279337 - 02/08/06 09:13 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Hello all, I love this site and this forum. I am going to start a first growing adventure here soon in a week or two (whenever my pressure cooker from ebay arrives). But anyway here is what I am going to do.

I am going to grow Cambodians and/or PESA. I was wondering if one syringe is enough for 12 1/2 pint jars, or if I should split it, so 6 are PESA and 6 are Cambo's, also I was wondering if it would be worth it to do an LC with 12 or 6 jars (is it more contam resistant?).

I plan on using WBS as my spawn, then I am going to tranfer it into 2 casings... a couple questions about casings... how many 1/2 pint jars should I use for casings? Should I put 6 in one and 6 in the other or is that just a waste? I plan on casing with Jiffy MIX and Verm. But I also have a bag of cow manure thats a couple years old. I was wondering if there is anything good I can do with that, maybe add it to my casings or jars (for extra nutrients)?

My fruiting/incubation chamber is not constructed yet, but I will have it built here in a couple days, its probobly going to be a little unique, could I put a couple holes in it and stuff them with polyfil to help with c02 levels? I also have a good hygrometer so I can closely monitor the conditions inside the chamber.

I am very excited about this project and I have red tons of stuff. But any help you guys can give me would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.


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Re: Another first time grow, advice needed. [Re: pip182]
    #5279380 - 02/08/06 09:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

First off. I just want to welcome you to the Shroomery. Seems like you have at least read up a little. Some people don't at all. So i'll give you 5 for that. In my opinion LC's (Liquid Cultures) are always great. I would make an LC for each strain. Inoculate one jar with each. This is just to make sure your LC is going to be good. You don't want your first batch to turn bad because of this. My first batch I just used straight multispore syringe inoculation. You can use however many jars in each casing as you want. Just depends on how big it is. You want a pretty even layer of substrate. It will be a bit rigid of course. This is good. Maybe do 4 casings and split it up equally. (If all of your jars make it. It is your first grow, I stalled 2 my first run) The cow manure..This is a different story. You can pasteurize it and spawn the WBS to it. Then it will colonize and you can case it. This would be more of a bulk substrate. I wouldn't mess with it right now. Save it. And your fruiting chamber question, yes. Cut two holes in the lid. Stuff them with polyfil. You are still going to fan and mist. Are you using perlite? Or what? You want some moist perlite in the bottom. You can use bubble wands under this to help a bit. Good luck. If you have any questions just ask. I am more than happy to help.


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Re: Another first time grow, advice needed. [Re: pip182]
    #5279416 - 02/08/06 09:26 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Okay, a couple of things. When you're knocking up half pint jars, you can get away with using only .75 - 1 cc of spore solution per jar, so yes, 1 syringe should be fine for all 12 jars.

I think you have the purpose of LCs confused. They're used as something of a substitute for spore syringes. Basically an endless supply of myc that can be used to knock up substrates. That being said, there's no reason you'll need 12 or 6 jars of LC. 1 or 2, maybe 3 should suffice since you're just starting out.

Since you plan on using WBS, I'd advise getting quart jars (if you haven't already bought the 1/2 pint jars) simply because when you prepare jars of WBS, you want enough space leftover so that you can shake them well enough to redistribute the mycelium and speed up colonization times.

I believe you're using the term "spawn" incorrectly here. Spawn refers to colonized mediums used to literally spawn the mycelium onto a bulk substrate like poo, straw, or compost. Since you're not spawning to a bulk substrate, the WBS would just be your substrate.

So far as the amount of WBS to use for your casings, that is completely dependent on your casing container size. Since you're just doing a regular straight grain casing and not a bulk casing, I'd suggest a substrate depth of about 2-3 inches.

If you actually want to use the cow manure, then you can spawn the colonized wbs to it, but you'll have to pasteurize the cow poo first. If you want to spawn to the cow poo, then check out http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/4323984/an/0/page/0 <<Wronguy's Double Tub Pictorial.


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Re: Another first time grow, advice needed. [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
    #5279442 - 02/08/06 09:30 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah when it comes to WBS quarts are best.


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Re: Another first time grow, advice needed. [Re: Anonymous]
    #5282427 - 02/09/06 04:19 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quarts eh? Well unfourtunetly I have already purchased my 1/2 pint jars, but I have not opened them, so I could return them. Another reason why I only bought 1/2 pints is the size of my pressure cooker, it is 6 1/2 quarts, I have no idea how many quart jars could fit in that, possibly only one at a time? Yeah I know I should have got a bigger one, but it was only 11$ and it came with a skillet (also a pressure cooker).

As for humidification I am going to use a layer of perlite on the bottom, with a bubble wand setup to aid in gas exchange. If i have a bubble wand do I still need to fan regularly? Yes I am going to mist.

My casings will be made out of two foil roaster pans (with clear lids), they are 11 3/4 x 9 1/4 x 2 1/2 . I hope thats big enough, I could do 4 but I dont really want to make a huge fruiting chamber, just something small so I can have a few shrooms here and there. But I dont really want to do PF cakes.

So do you think my 1/2 pint jars would work okay? Or should I trade it for some pints? Also if I chose to use the 1/2 pints due to my PC size would a mix of verm + brf be better than WBS? WBS seems like it would grow better shrooms to me.

So I dont think I will do an LC this time around, I really have no need for it, but are they more resistant to contams?


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Re: Another first time grow, advice needed. [Re: pip182]
    #5282566 - 02/09/06 04:53 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I really have no idea how many quart jars your PC could fit. You might have to use 1/2 pint jars, but that just seems like it'd take forever to get a substantial amount of substrate/spawn. On that note, I'd like to recommend spawn bags. www.themadseason.com has 100 bags w/ filter for around $40 bucks shipped. With a spawn bag you could get optimal space usage out of your PC.

If you're going with perlite, then bubblewands are not a good idea, as the perlite will clog the bubblewands. If you've already got the bubblewands and whatnot, I'd recommend you use geolyte,hydroton, or lava rock, as per the Poor-Man's-Pod [PmP]. Or, if you still want to use perlite, you could set up a ghetto bubbler, which is just an aquarium air pump leading to a bottle full of distilled water inside your terrarium. Hell, if you're just looking for the FAE, you don't even need the bottle full of water.

Since your casing containers have lids, you don't even actually need a fruiting chamber. Yould do invitro casings. The mushies would come out all twisted, and the yield might be slightly less than if they were in a terrarium, but it'd be a lot less hassle.

So overall, I'd personally recommend you get rid of the 1/2 pinters and get some of those spawn bags. I know it's expensive, but it just seems like the best option for your situation, what with the limited PC space and all. Stick with the WBS, it does grow better fruit.

So far as LCs go, there's no rush to do them, it's just that it's totally beneficial to have one or two, as they are an endless supply of mycelium, saving you money on spore syringes. If you do decide to give them a go, I'd recommend agar's baby bottle tek since you have a PC and all.


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Re: Another first time grow, advice needed. [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
    #5284841 - 02/10/06 07:47 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Spawn bags eh? Well I don't really feel like ordering more stuff off the internet, I think I am just going to go ahead and try it with my 1/2 pinters for this first time around. I dont really mind if it takes me forever to get them done in my PC just as long as they get done. Also where do I get Geolite? Hell, I can't even find any vermiculite around here, though I am still going to check a few stores. Most nursuries are closed for winter. Basically all I have is Wal Mart, Lowes, and Home Depot. But I have everything ready, I got a bigger fruiting chamber than I needed, but I think I can/will still use it. Would one of the ghetto bubbler setups in a glass of water actually get my humidity up to 80%+ ? I do already have a bubble wand, I could just set it up so its not touching the perlite (I mostly just want gas exchange), if clogging is really a problem. But i'm willing to give the glass of water and bubbler a try if it works.

Also if I put my manure in my casing pans instead of my casing layer and spawned to it, would there be a better yeild? Is that basically like a big colonized square cake? I really have no clue about bulk substrates. Its not like I need a huge yeild, I just like doing things (almost) right the first time. I can also get straw and horse poo pretty much anywhere, there are lots of farms around here. Would I be better off doing that instead of casings?

Another question though, I have a dog that is shedding like crazy this time of year and hair is EVERYWHERE, I am almost garuanteed to get hairs in my FC (actually they are already in there) and possibly my jars (though i'm going to try my best not to let that happen). I am going to keep it as sterile as possible using alcohol and h2o2 (in my mistings), is this enough to kill anything that would be on dog hair?


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