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leery11
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Advice turning a friend on....
#5278821 - 02/08/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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In the sense of "turn on, tune in, drop out."
Okay, I've wanted to get him high for a long time...... now.... the probelm is I have this moral quandry with my drug usage, where I see how its very beneficial, but also has some bad effects.
But so I just found out his g/f broke up with him, and he's saying how he wants to go on anti-depressants and stuff. Now I am convicted that nature has the best anti-depressants ever, that even just smoking up would do him more good than a lifetime of prozac ever would...
that he would benefit oustandingly from a moderate psychedelic dose, be it from weed or maybe LSA or even possibly salvia.
But, the thing is, I dont' want to turn him on to DRUGS... I just want to open up his perceptual doors.... I really want to help him understand some of the knowledge I've accumulated about suffering, non-attachment, relativity, subjective-emotional states, and everything....
and you know, if he dosed some LSA or something and saw how interesting and alive the world can be, I think it might do him a lot of good.
But I mean, this is also dangerous water..... I'm pretty sure I could help him work through things but..... set and setting. He's been depressed and all.
What do you all think? How do I even initiate the conversation? I mean.... psychedelic psychotherapy is not something a lot of people know about.
I'm going to try to talk to him in his dreams about it tonight, and tomorrow night (might sound crazy to you all but I've had some results that make me think it's possible) and see if I get any good guidance from more wise parts of myself...
but what do you all think? I believe everyone can benefit from psychedelic usage (i'm not talking about a heavy trip for him though) good trip or bad and that I could help him break some walls down. But it's something to use much caution over also.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
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supersapien
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Re: Advice turning a friend on.... [Re: leery11]
#5278947 - 02/08/06 07:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I completely understand your dilemma... I faced the same situation about a year ago, but the problem was that I was the only person I knew (except for the guy who got ME into it) who did this stuff. Now everyone I know does it, because of me. So I'll tell you what I did.
First off, I educated myself a LOT. I'm talking, read research papers, articles, kept up with the scientific side of stuff, read books, and experimented myself.
So then I planted the seed in their heads. I have never pushed anything on anyone. Instead, I would talk about MY experiences, the benefits I've had, and spoke in complete truths. My friends and family decided on their own to experiment and have done so safely, and responsibly, for a year now. The key is not to tell them they SHOULD do something. They'll just think, "Hey, he's just to drug-push me." You need to present the facts and help them to understand that drugs aren't evil entities that get you addicted and kill you, and help them to understand that they need to have some discipline and self-control. If they want to do it after that, then all is well.
Another thing I should add is no one can blame you for getting them "hooked on drugs" if you give them a choice. If someone smokes weed because you generously gave them a joint and then they jump up to get addicted to heroin, it is not your fault. If they didn't want to smoke weed they wouldn't have. No one put a gun to their head. Just don't push, no matter what.
The only other thing I want to say, is inspect their personality before you do anything. If they're the type that just wants to feel good all the time and have no self-control, chances are higher that they will move onto something bad. Open-minded and intelligent individuals would likely stick to psychedelics.
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leery11
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Re: Advice turning a friend on.... [Re: supersapien]
#5279024 - 02/08/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well here's my perception of him.
He is living a very bland lifeless life with very little passion. He is smart, very bright..... but being suffocated by the world. He spends most of his free time playing video-games. He does not socialise very much. He has, I espect, not experienced the full spectrum of experience that life has to offer. His world is rather grey.
I am not so different from him, but a while ago we were more identical.
What I would do, is first of all, I would sit him down and we would talk about the most painful things he can think of (is this a good idea?) for example I would tell him what I am afraid of, what is going on in my head and life..... and we would bring up all the issues that need to be worked out.
I would then teach him all I can about breathing exercises and meditation, and we would just sit and breath a while until the bad stuff we dredged up has settled down and become peaceful.
Then I would tell him that he may have to face these things while high, but they are not permanent, that the only thing about him that is true, that is pure, that is the essence of his existence, is his breath himself. Whenever he feels upset, whenever he is caught up in thinking about frutiless things, all he need to do is breath.
And that he can talk to me about absolutely ANY thought that comes into his head at any time... and in fact that this is encouraged.
I would then put on some soothing music, we would do whatever it was that we agreed to take.... and we'd probably just lie down and listen to the music for as long as we can..... letting our egos and our mental chatter rest for as long as possible.
So this is a general template of what I'd say to him: S, I don't really know how to present this subject to you because it's a really abstract notion to try to convey... but you said to me that you wanted to go on anti-depressants.... and I've been down the path of depression myself to the point of wanting to kill myself... I have spent every day since my junior year of high school changing, learning, and growing... and the one thing that has helped really give me some humbling perspective has been psychedelic drugs.
I don't know how much you know about them, but they are the safest drugs in the world that you can do. You cannot overdose on them. I see many people in this world trapped in the hollow confines of social norms, living passionless lives working fruitless jobs.
When you are in the psychedelic state you are not constrained by anything. You do not have any pressures, you do not have any dogma. It is like being in a sense dead, in a sense being born, in a sense being a child, and in a sense being enlightened. It is the most humbling experience that you can have without actually having to die to make it to the other side.
We do not have to jump overboard, we can do a very light trip, we can even smoke weed to get the same results... I just really want to open you up to a new way of seeing the world. As long as you are open to the experience no bad can come of it and you will come out of it a better person... and I'd really like it if you would do something with me.
There are a few options... firstly we can just get stoned, it's a decent route to take to get familiar with the psychedelic state without being in over your head for too long.... a more lasting and profound result would be to do LSA, [i'd describe LSA to him] and the benefits of doing this is that you can very accurately gauge your dose. You can settle with just a very subtle mood elevation, a moderate high like being stoned, a little bit deeper... you can go in one seed at a time to the exact dose that you want to just have a minutely psychedelic time with intense euphoria, or even to just enhance your mood for the night if you don't want to immerse yourself.
I don't really know how to convey to you the extreme benefits that a psychedelic dose has to offer, but most people live their entire lives without having any access at all to spiritual experiences.... it is a very special thing and I would love to share it with you. I honestly believe that it would help you tremendously and I am more than willing to work with you on absolutely any issues you have at all.
I'd try to say something like that.
actually i think maybe even eating weed would be a good choice too.
I'd probably also ask him something like "do you know what it's like to taste colors?" and talk to him about how much psychedelics have increased my access to childhood memories.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
Edited by leery11 (02/08/06 07:48 PM)
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Kingkole
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Re: Advice turning a friend on.... [Re: leery11]
#5279044 - 02/08/06 07:49 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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could go both ways, i don't really think risking your friend having a bad trip is worth it.
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leery11
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Re: Advice turning a friend on.... [Re: Kingkole]
#5279057 - 02/08/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah, it's really hard to tell. i know he won't understand what it is to let go, that even i have problems with it.
he'd probably react the way i reacted the first time i got stoned..... overwhelmed and confused.
which is what i'd be there for, which is why i think maybe just asking him to smoke would be the best route.
but at the same time i'm not talking about a literal trip, a light level 2 maximum.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
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supersapien
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Re: Advice turning a friend on.... [Re: leery11]
#5279162 - 02/08/06 08:24 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Your "plan" seems pretty good, but something you have to take into account is that he's still possibly going to feel like you're pushing him.
It may be simplistic but only focus on weed. If he can grow to accept weed, and try it, then he will make tripping decisions on his own without pressure. In this way, you will not overpower him with warnings of what may or may not be when he's on shrooms or acid or anything else. If I were you, I would just inform him of the health issues surrounding marijuana and run from there. If he's not keen on marijuana just purely based on the legalities surrounding it, then use morning glory instead. It's a lot easier to dose and more controllable than a real trip, plus, legal.
If he does agree to try marijuana though, don't smoke. Make a brownie for him. It will be more pleasant, and some people don't get high for the first three or four times they smoke, which is a bit of a turnoff. And it can be a little uncomfortable. Imagine you being high as a kite and him sitting there saying, "Uh, I don't feel anything... and you're being kind of weird." And not superpowered brownies either. Medium strength, gonna-get-fucked-up but not wild, crazy brownies.
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leery11
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Re: Advice turning a friend on.... [Re: supersapien]
#5279171 - 02/08/06 08:27 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah i feel you, not morning glories though, woodrose, they're even easier to dose. That's what I was planning on as far as a trip went though.
but for weed, no we wouldn't smoke, i would set up my vaporiser for him to hit.... i know its real hard to smoke your first time and do it right, but its not hard to very slowly inhale vapors, and that's all you have to do, one dose in one inhale, he'd feel it.
i don't have enough to make brownies, i'd have to make leary biscuits or just like microwave some weed in a shot glass with peanut butter and spoon the stuff down. both taste equally nasty but have good results.
the thing though is an LSA dose is kind of like an oral weed dose, just you can take it a lot higher a lot easier.... but if you smoke or vaporise, the main problem is that the comeup is so quick and bewildering and intense that it's really hard to enjoy... i freaked out the first time i got stoned until i got a hold of things and i hit the plateau, then i was like "whoa this is cool"
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
Edited by leery11 (02/08/06 08:28 PM)
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