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sudont
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Some Dunk-n-Roll Questions
#5275719 - 02/07/06 11:05 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Man, this forum is great! Thanks to everyone here for all ya'lls help. Dunk: I've got a beautiful plastic pan that'll fit in my fridge and contain my eight cakes (BRF+Verm). But I ain't got nothing to hold 'em below the surface (at least that I can think of). What if I just let them float, with what will be the bottom of the cakes in the fruiting chamber, up? I imagine only a very small part won't be submerged. And I could cover the pan with Saran Wrap, or something. Any thoughts or suggestions? Also, is distilled water sterile? Should I sterilize the dunk water? Roll: I don't have a mister handy, and I was thinking I'd sterilize the Vermiculite in the PC. What if I moistened the verm and pressure cooked it? Won't it stick ok? Or is it really better to roll dry? Any and all advice regarding Dunk-n-Roll will be appreciated! TIA!
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Re: Some Dunk-n-Roll Questions [Re: sudont]
#5275760 - 02/07/06 11:17 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well the thing is, you don't really want to expose your cake to the air within the fridge. Fridges are nasty ass places holmes, full of contams. Perhaps if you can fit that big ole container into a gallon ziploc bag or something.
Personally, I'd recommend you pour the water directly into the jar the cakes colonized in, then screw back on the lids. That's how I originally learned to do it, and is how I've done it a number of times. Or you could just put a number of them into a ziploc bag or whatever.
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gourmetgrower
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Re: Some Dunk-n-Roll Questions [Re: sudont]
#5275768 - 02/07/06 11:18 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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--> I ain't got nothing to hold 'em below the surface (at least that I can think of).
Be creative; place the bottom of another pan on top of the cakes, or wash some rocks and put on the tops, or something.
--> I imagine only a very small part won't be submerged.
Don't underestimate the bouyancy of cakes, but it shouldn't really matter too much. Nitpicking isn't necessary, but it's still better to have them completely submerged.
--> Also, is distilled water sterile?
No. Don't expect water to be sterile unless you've personally pressure cooked it. But distilled is cleaner than tap.
--> Should I sterilize the dunk water?
People have had good results with just tap water, but the distilled should be fine. You don't need to sterilize, as the cake is already colonized.
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Oh, and when you're rolling, you want the cake to be wet, fresh from its dunk, and the verm to be dry. That way the water forms a simple cohesive bond to stick to the light, dry verm. If the verm were wet, then I believe it'd be too heavy for simple cohesion to be enough to keep the verm stuck to the cake. But that's just my estimation, I haven't tried that myself.
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Re: Some Dunk-n-Roll Questions [Re: gourmetgrower]
#5275773 - 02/07/06 11:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oh, and I agree with tiny_rabid_birds on all counts.
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sudont
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Re: Some Dunk-n-Roll Questions [Re: gourmetgrower]
#5275919 - 02/08/06 12:13 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey! Thanks for your help! Let me see what you guys think about this then: I stick an un-opened gallon of Distilled Water in the fridge overnight to cool it. Then I open my jars, fill them with said distilled water, and replace caps (which have four small holes, no filter). Question: the jars have a half-inch, dry vermiculite barrier. Should I remove this before adding water? Leave water filled jars overnight in fridge (12 hours). Dump water out of jars, remove cake, and roll in dry, microwaved vermiculite, then place in fruiting chamber. Does that sound like the way to go? Any comments appreciated!
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gourmetgrower
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Re: Some Dunk-n-Roll Questions [Re: sudont]
#5275930 - 02/08/06 12:19 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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sounds about right to me. I would slam the jars down on a counter a couple times to loosen the mycelium away from the glass so that the water penetrates. I would remove the dry vermiculite.
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Re: Some Dunk-n-Roll Questions [Re: sudont]
#5275949 - 02/08/06 12:25 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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That pretty much sounds like a good plan to me. No need to remove vermiculite layer, it'll actually be your filter layer when they're sitting in the fridge.
When adding water to the jars, go real slow with it so that the water has a chance to seep down into the crevices and whatnot. You'll know the cakes has been properly surrounded with water because they'll start to rise up.
You could probably get away with not even microwaving the vermiculite as it comes pre-sterilized and, since it's kept in a sealed bag, generally stays pretty clean. But it couldn't hurt to take the extra effort to guarantee sterilization. Just make sure your microwave has been cleaned out properly with bleach or something, or else you might be introducing more contaminants than preventing.
::EDIT:: I got sidetracked when writing this so gourmet got his response in before I had a chance to see it. But we pretty much agree. Slamming your jars is a good idea. However I'd personally still keep the vermiculite layer on there. Simply because there isn't any other filter layer keeping contams from entering in through the noc points.
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sudont
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Re: Some Dunk-n-Roll Questions [Re: gourmetgrower]
#5276018 - 02/08/06 12:52 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
gourmetgrower said: I would remove the dry vermiculite.
gourmetgrower, would you mind elaborating on that? Also, I've already loosened the cakes because the bottoms were taking a long time to colonize, and that set 'em straight. But probably another shake would help, huh? And what about adding H2O2 to the water? I've seen that mentioned, but it seems counter-intuitive to me. I have some 3% H2O2. It's not listed as food grade, but the only ingredients listed are H2O2 and H2O, so I'm not sure. If this a good idea, what percentage of 3% H2O2 would you add to the water?
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Re: Some Dunk-n-Roll Questions [Re: sudont]
#5276024 - 02/08/06 12:53 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Don't worry about adding H2O2. Regular distilled water will be fine.
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Re: Some Dunk-n-Roll Questions [Re: gourmetgrower]
#5276135 - 02/08/06 01:50 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Distilled water is sterile.
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Re: Some Dunk-n-Roll Questions [Re: MisterMyco]
#5276313 - 02/08/06 04:50 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I dont think nitpicking about the water source is necessary. Back in my cake days, I used 1 part peroxide, to 9 parts tap water. Never had a contam prob with that method.I would also just put them in a pot, and put a plate on top. This I would stick in the oven to sit.
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gourmetgrower
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Re: Some Dunk-n-Roll Questions [Re: FungusMan]
#5277144 - 02/08/06 11:43 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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--> Distilled water is sterile.
Do you really trust those cheap seals on the gallon jugs? Distilled water from the store may be very clean, and semi-sterile enough for this topic. But I wouldn't say it's truly sterile.
As for elaborating on removing the vermiculite, I mean, before you pour in the water, use a spoon and scoop off the old vermiculite seal on the top of the cakes. It could be laden with spores from the air, but I am not sure what the "official opinion of the community" is.
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Re: Some Dunk-n-Roll Questions [Re: sudont]
#5278417 - 02/08/06 04:55 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Leave the cakes in the jar when you dunk the lid will hold em under. Notice the cakes are floating. 
And if you do some looking you'll find i came up with the dunk and roll tek. I tested this a million times and dry verm sticks to the cakes better once on just mist it down.
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Re: Some Dunk-n-Roll Questions [Re: Magash]
#6158828 - 10/11/06 03:22 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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it looks like 1 pint pf jars what if you use 1/2 a pint? should you have a few 1 pints. to dunk them in or are 1/2 pints ok
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