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beatnicknick
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OMG! The budget!
#5275333 - 02/07/06 09:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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More money into war, exactly 120 billion big ones more, and the money is coming straight from Y-O-U! The American people.
http://www.insightmag.com/ME2/dirmod.asp...16362F67E8DF0E5
Here is the wikipedia definition for the Impeachment of Bush... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeach_Bush#Public_opinion
Thoughts? Shall we "move" with this movement? Shall we be conservative?
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Somebody has to pay the cost of getting revenge on Saddam for trying to assasinate George W's father... who better than the US taxpayers money and the Iraqi people's lives? It also helps keep oil prices artificially inflated so that all of George W's friends that have oil interests can make record profits... and by record profits, I mean record profits when compared against any company, not just energy companies.
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beatnicknick said: Here is the wikipedia definition for the Impeachment of Bush... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeach_Bush#Public_opinion
Thoughts? Shall we "move" with this movement? Shall we be conservative?
American presidents do whatever the hell they like during times of war. A movement of dissidence such as one for impeachment would be crushed under the weight of the current Republican police state.
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Re: OMG! The budget! [Re: bukkake]
#5278612 - 02/08/06 06:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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You do realize that it was Congress that authorized this don't you? And, as one of the 1% that pays 33% of the taxes, I say money well spent.
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Worst war EVER
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Re: OMG! The budget! [Re: Seuss]
#5281651 - 02/09/06 12:39 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Seuss said: It also helps keep oil prices artificially inflated so that all of George W's friends that have oil interests can make record profits... and by record profits, I mean record profits when compared against any company, not just energy companies.
That statement is ridiculous! George W. is the main one making press conference after press conference explaining that the best way to bring fuel costs down is to have the oil companies reduce their profits. He has been more outspoken about that than any other liberal.
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gluke bastid said: Worst war EVER
I also thin that if we didn't go to war their would be another Iraqi led invasion or trouble from that country soon to come. The war there will help stabilize the region.
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Re: OMG! The budget! [Re: WhiteBunny]
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I also thin that if we didn't go to war their would be another Iraqi led invasion or trouble from that country soon to come. The war there will help stabilize the region.
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Thinking that is a legitamate reason is mind baffling. What proof do we have the Iraq was going to invade another country? The only invaders are the American Army. War has helped stabilize the region? Have you done any research whatsoever? What about the Sunnis and the Shiites? 
A couple of good things that we have absolutley no proof of and would be exploited and talked about over and over again by the government anyway in order to protect themselves really does not outweight the massive injustice that has occured in our own country and in Iraq's. You people disgust me how you will still stand behind this man. My grandmother once said after a long discussion over president Bush "Well he's my president, I voted for him, if he is doing a little wrong I'm still going to stand behind him, he needs our support and so do the tropps." And I said "Grandma, if you lived in Germany in the 1940's, I hate to say it but you would have been sucked right into Nazism and still would be able to sleep with yourself after a day of "supporting the leader." Something along those lines.
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Re: OMG! The budget! [Re: zappaisgod]
#5282309 - 02/09/06 03:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: You do realize that it was Congress that authorized this don't you? And, as one of the 1% that pays 33% of the taxes, I say money well spent.
You realise it was Bush that provoked this and lied about it, dont you? And as just another person that pays taxes, I say money spent horribly and I think congress can agree with me on this one, and so can auto technicians, teachers, and many other groups of hard AMERURICANS.

I have a hope in our country though, I think people are starting to see the light
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For one there was massive torture in a wide scale... the reason for the torture could be because of someones religious believes to someone not doing well enough in the Olympics. There were mass graves found in numerous places. Saddam has a prior history to killing and invading countries. That part of the world is a very important part of the world economy, and it's instability is in cause to the leadership of Iraq. Oh the liberals talk about how they want proof, Clinton himself said when he was in office there was intel that showed Saddam had bio weapons and was planning a nuclear future. What proof did you need to before America was to act? A cataclysmic attack to wake people up. What is this massive injustice you speak of? Your example of the Nazi party could be switch to "Hitler is invaded over in Europe we have no reason to get involved." Sometime seating back and doing nothing and expected the world to live in peace by itself is unrealistic.
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Re: OMG! The budget! [Re: WhiteBunny]
#5282891 - 02/09/06 06:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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WhiteBunny said: For one there was massive torture in a wide scale... the reason for the torture could be because of someones religious believes to someone not doing well enough in the Olympics. There were mass graves found in numerous places. Saddam has a prior history to killing and invading countries. That part of the world is a very important part of the world economy, and it's instability is in cause to the leadership of Iraq. Oh the liberals talk about how they want proof, Clinton himself said when he was in office there was intel that showed Saddam had bio weapons and was planning a nuclear future. What proof did you need to before America was to act? A cataclysmic attack to wake people up. What is this massive injustice you speak of? Your example of the Nazi party could be switch to "Hitler is invaded over in Europe we have no reason to get involved." Sometime seating back and doing nothing and expected the world to live in peace by itself is unrealistic.
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What proof did you need to before America was to act? -The proof that Saddam had WMDs. The inspectors inspected, came back, and reported they had none.
A cataclysmic attack to wake people up. -The inspectors inspected, came back, and reported they had none. You can't tell me the inspectors were lying, either, however someone else did...
Saddam has a prior history to killing and invading countries. -So do many other countries in the world including the U.S. Still not a good reason to invade a country who had no intent of doing anything to us.
What is this massive injustice you speak of? -If you would like to read them all, they are well documented and backed up with government documents and actual government websites right in here. --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_Bush
Your example of the Nazi party could be switch to "Hitler is invaded over in Europe we have no reason to get involved." -Saddam was not invading other countries, wasn't planning on doing so, and hadn't done so since Kuwait, that is obviously not why we attacked. My example had nothing to do with getting involved, it was about standing behind a leader even when his wrong doings have outweighed his deeds. Even when the evidence has been right in front of you so long, you choose to slander, argue, or ignore it for reasons such as a) You helped put him in power in the first place b) You feel you are going against your country by going against your president c) You are in his political party
Sometime seating back and doing nothing and expected the world to live in peace by itself is unrealistic. -I compeletly agree. However in this case, this does not apply. Terrorist groups have increased now because of the war and are now given another true reason to be against the U.S. A very big reason.
Saddam was not doing anything like Hitler was, and now the U.S. is responsible for tens of thouseands of dead Iraqis, killing in a manner like Saddamn's oppresion ever has, and the war isn't over. If this was REALLY about oppresion though, we would have attacked Sudan, North Korea, Burma, Zimbabwe, Uzbekistan, China, Saudi Arabia, and Turkmenistan before we got anywhere near Iraq. Google search about the oppresion of those people.
And furthermore, Bush has been unjust to his own people in several ways. The illegal spying of Americans, which he claims is only to find out which of us are involved in Al-Qaeda, was completely illegal. If you believe it was right for him to do this despite the law, then what other things do are you going to allow Bush to do despite the law. If he kept this under raps for four years, then what else does he have under raps. If he is above the law, then what can't he do? What about our freedoms?
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I also thin that if we didn't go to war their would be another Iraqi led invasion or trouble from that country soon to come. The war there will help stabilize the region.
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Thinking that is a legitamate reason is mind baffling. What proof do we have the Iraq was going to invade another country? The only invaders are the American Army. War has helped stabilize the region? Have you done any research whatsoever? What about the Sunnis and the Shiites? 
At no point did he say that was the reason for the invasion. Nor did he say that it has stabilized the region. He said he thinks it will help stabilize the region. "What about the Sunnis and Shiites?" Yeah, what about them? Do you have a point to make? And if so would you mind making it?
What seems to be mind "baffling" to you is tense and sentence structure as it relates to meaning. Are you a native English speaker?
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A couple of good things that we have absolutley no proof of and would be exploited and talked about over and over again by the government anyway in order to protect themselves really does not outweight the massive injustice that has occured in our own country and in Iraq's. You people disgust me how you will still stand behind this man. My grandmother once said after a long discussion over president Bush "Well he's my president, I voted for him, if he is doing a little wrong I'm still going to stand behind him, he needs our support and so do the tropps." And I said "Grandma, if you lived in Germany in the 1940's, I hate to say it but you would have been sucked right into Nazism and still would be able to sleep with yourself after a day of "supporting the leader." Something along those lines.
Stand behind him? Only if you think pushing him to take a tougher stance against this global pox is "standing". And what massive injustice in this country are you referring to? Real nice way to treat your poor old Grandma, too.
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"It's amazing I won. I was running against peace, prosperity, and incumbency." ?George W. Bush, June 14, 2001, speaking to Swedish Prime Minister Goran Perrson, unaware that a live television camera was still rolling.
What's your point? Neither the bolloxed security system of the Clinton administration nor the Clinton recession had yet reared their ugly heads and Gore was the incumbent vice president. It is pretty amazing that the Dems put up such a loathsome candidate. And then they come up with Lurch in 2004. Losers, the whole lot of them.
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Re: OMG! The budget! [Re: zappaisgod]
#5282997 - 02/09/06 07:01 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ah yes, the hilarious wikipedia entry about John Conyers' fantasy. The Plame affair, huh? You have got to be kidding. Katrina, huh? Now there was one unjust hurricane. NSA wiretaps? Oh yeah, a relentless horror ruining the lives of innocent American citizens
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What proof did you need to before America was to act? -The proof that Saddam had WMDs. The inspectors inspected, came back, and reported they had none.
- First off Saddam didn't like the UN inspector into all of the sites. There was an instance were some sites weren't look at in months. Saddam picked and choose which site were inspect and which weren't. The UN then tried to resolve the matter diplomatically which in turn did not resolve the matter.
A cataclysmic attack to wake people up. -The inspectors inspected, came back, and reported they had none. You can't tell me the inspectors were lying, either, however someone else did...
The inspectors can't lie about something they never inspected.
Saddam has a prior history to killing and invading countries. -So do many other countries in the world including the U.S. Still not a good reason to invade a country who had no intent of doing anything to us.
-Really what country has the U.S invaded for the purpose of PERMANENTLY holding the country as an extension the U.S?
What is this massive injustice you speak of? -If you would like to read them all, they are well documented and backed up with government documents and actual government websites right in here. --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_Bush
- That is an opinion, there is info on the Bill which actual had enough credit to go further along than the pathetic at temp to undermined the Presidential office the extreme liberals. Clinton impeachment
Your example of the Nazi party could be switch to "Hitler is invaded over in Europe we have no reason to get involved." -Saddam was not invading other countries, wasn't planning on doing so, and hadn't done so since Kuwait, that is obviously not why we attacked. My example had nothing to do with getting involved, it was about standing behind a leader even when his wrong doings have outweighed his deeds. Even when the evidence has been right in front of you so long, you choose to slander, argue, or ignore it for reasons such as
- Hasn't done so since Kuwait? What do you expect that every country is giving a one time get out of invading a country to clam it your own card. You act like it was in the 40's. He invaded them in the 90"s and enough time has gone by to build up his one time crushed army. a) You helped put him in power in the first place - And how is that? b) You feel you are going against your country by going against your president - No, I never said that c) You are in his political party - Your are in the opposing party.
Sometime seating back and doing nothing and expected the world to live in peace by itself is unrealistic. -I completely agree. However in this case, this does not apply. Terrorist groups have increased now because of the war and are now given another true reason to be against the U.S. A very big reason.
- So because there is some opposition you think we should quit, because God forbid someone dies in war.
Saddam was not doing anything like Hitler was, and now the U.S. is responsible for tens of thousands of dead Iraqis, killing in a manner like Saddam n's oppression ever has, and the war isn't over. If this was REALLY about oppression though, we would have attacked Sudan, North Korea, Burma, Zimbabwe, Uzbekistan, China, Saudi Arabia, and Turkmenistan before we got anywhere near Iraq. Google search about the oppression of those people.
- Saddam had kill for persons religion and killed for speaking out against him, how is that not like Hitler?
And furthermore, Bush has been unjust to his own people in several ways. The illegal spying of Americans, which he claims is only to find out which of us are involved in Al-Qaeda, was completely illegal. If you believe it was right for him to do this despite the law, then what other things do are you going to allow Bush to do despite the law. If he kept this under raps for four years, then what else does he have under raps. If he is above the law, then what can't he do? What about our freedoms? - That bill was passed by congress "Those who would sacrifice liberties for security deserve neither." -Ben Franklin - What are you sacrificing? What do you have to lose unless you have ill wishes From the words of the wise.
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Re: OMG! The budget! [Re: zappaisgod]
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Neither the bolloxed security system of the Clinton administration nor the Clinton recession had yet reared their ugly heads and Gore was the incumbent vice president. It is pretty amazing that the Dems put up such a loathsome candidate. And then they come up with Lurch in 2004. Losers, the whole lot of them. -We're not discussing Clinton, Clinton has not been in office for six years. Why are you bringing him up in the discussion now? I posted a quote about Bush admitting he actually knows of his unjustice, is this really your argument?
Stand behind him? Only if you think pushing him to take a tougher stance against this global pox is "standing". -Oh so it was American's idea to attack Iraq. I pull this from the Gore on the NSA speech. "We know the sworn testimony of the president's White House head of counterterrorism, Richard Clarke, that on the day after the attack, September 12th, and I quote from Clarke's account, "The president dragged me into a room with a couple of other people, shut the door and said, 'I want you to find whether Iraq did this.' I said, 'Mr. President, there's no connection.' He came back at me and said, "Iraq. Saddam. Find out if there's a connection.' We got together all the FBI experts, all the CIA experts. They all cleared the report, and we sent it up to the president and it got bounced by the national security advisor or deputy. It got bounced and was sent back saying, 'Wrong answer. Do it again.' And I don't think he" -- I'm continuing the quote from Richard Clarke -- "I don't think he, the president, sees memos that he wouldn't like the answer," end quote. This was the day after the attack, and the president did not ask about Osama bin Laden. He did not ask Mr. Clarke, in any case, about al Qaeda. He did not ask about Saudi Arabia or any other country other than Iraq."
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I'm against the war in Iraq, but I am still skeptical of Clarke's legitimacy. It seems to me that he was just looking for things to put in his book, which would make him a pretty penny.
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beatnicknick said: Neither the bolloxed security system of the Clinton administration nor the Clinton recession had yet reared their ugly heads and Gore was the incumbent vice president. It is pretty amazing that the Dems put up such a loathsome candidate. And then they come up with Lurch in 2004. Losers, the whole lot of them. -We're not discussing Clinton, Clinton has not been in office for six years. Why are you bringing him up in the discussion now? I posted a quote about Bush admitting he actually knows of his unjustice, is this really your argument?
The quote you posted was this ""It's amazing I won. I was running against peace, prosperity, and incumbency." What does that have to do with admitting "unjustice"? My argument was that the peace and the prosperity were shams that had yet to be revealed on the date the quote was made. Given that they had not been exposed as illusory at the time of either the quote or the election, it is pretty amazing that he got elected. And it's because Gore was so eminently unlikable.
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Stand behind him? Only if you think pushing him to take a tougher stance against this global pox is "standing". -Oh so it was American's idea to attack Iraq. I pull this from the Gore on the NSA speech. "We know the sworn testimony of the president's White House head of counterterrorism, Richard Clarke, that on the day after the attack, September 12th, and I quote from Clarke's account, "The president dragged me into a room with a couple of other people, shut the door and said, 'I want you to find whether Iraq did this.' I said, 'Mr. President, there's no connection.' He came back at me and said, "Iraq. Saddam. Find out if there's a connection.' We got together all the FBI experts, all the CIA experts. They all cleared the report, and we sent it up to the president and it got bounced by the national security advisor or deputy. It got bounced and was sent back saying, 'Wrong answer. Do it again.' And I don't think he" -- I'm continuing the quote from Richard Clarke -- "I don't think he, the president, sees memos that he wouldn't like the answer," end quote. This was the day after the attack, and the president did not ask about Osama bin Laden. He did not ask Mr. Clarke, in any case, about al Qaeda. He did not ask about Saudi Arabia or any other country other than Iraq."
I previously responded to this in another thread, but I have no problem with him immediately suspecting Iraq. Please find me the Bush quote wherein he stated Iraq was responsible for 9/11. Good hunting.
I'm not standing behind him, I'm pushing as hard as I can for him to take a tougher stance. Fuck those Koranimals. I'll be good and goddamned if those 6th century morons are gonna tell me what cartoons I can make or what I can do with a Koran. I thought we should have finished the job in '90. And wasted Iran in '80 too.
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beatnicknick said: Neither the bolloxed security system of the Clinton administration nor the Clinton recession had yet reared their ugly heads and Gore was the incumbent vice president. It is pretty amazing that the Dems put up such a loathsome candidate. And then they come up with Lurch in 2004. Losers, the whole lot of them. -We're not discussing Clinton, Clinton has not been in office for six years. Why are you bringing him up in the discussion now? I posted a quote about Bush admitting he actually knows of his unjustice, is this really your argument?
Stand behind him? Only if you think pushing him to take a tougher stance against this global pox is "standing". -Oh so it was American's idea to attack Iraq. I pull this from the Gore on the NSA speech. "We know the sworn testimony of the president's White House head of counterterrorism, Richard Clarke, that on the day after the attack, September 12th, and I quote from Clarke's account, "The president dragged me into a room with a couple of other people, shut the door and said, 'I want you to find whether Iraq did this.' I said, 'Mr. President, there's no connection.' He came back at me and said, "Iraq. Saddam. Find out if there's a connection.' We got together all the FBI experts, all the CIA experts. They all cleared the report, and we sent it up to the president and it got bounced by the national security advisor or deputy. It got bounced and was sent back saying, 'Wrong answer. Do it again.' And I don't think he" -- I'm continuing the quote from Richard Clarke -- "I don't think he, the president, sees memos that he wouldn't like the answer," end quote. This was the day after the attack, and the president did not ask about Osama bin Laden. He did not ask Mr. Clarke, in any case, about al Qaeda. He did not ask about Saudi Arabia or any other country other than Iraq."
I brought up Clinton because the impeachment of Bush doesn't hold any weight. If there was enough evidence for Bush to be impeached then there would have been a hearing but there's not. Talking about it does nothing but undermined the problems that are actually at hand.
Clinton lied and did so on National TV and then got on again admitting to lieing.
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Re: OMG! The budget! [Re: zappaisgod]
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Ah, yes, and Bush has never lied on national television.  here's some footage I found http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Bush-warants-fisa.wmv
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I'm not watching any videos. I repeat my request "Please find me the Bush quote wherein he stated Iraq was responsible for 9/11. Good hunting."
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