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can anyone reccomend a "chemistry for dummies/newbies"?????
    #5274347 - 02/07/06 05:53 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

can anyone reccomend a good book that starts off with the basics of chemistry, how to pernounce their names.... and particually a book that is geared toward the use and terminology associated with psychedelics??

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Re: can anyone reccomend a "chemistry for dummies/newbies"????? [Re: agoutihead]
    #5274368 - 02/07/06 05:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You'd probably want some type of introduction to Organic Chemistry.

Although without the prerequisites you might find it a little hard to follow... depending on what it covers.


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Re: can anyone reccomend a "chemistry for dummies/newbies"????? [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #5274415 - 02/07/06 06:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

did you reccomend organic chemistry because i want it to relate to psychedelics as much as possible?

is that the best avenue to go down you think?


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Re: can anyone reccomend a "chemistry for dummies/newbies"????? [Re: agoutihead]
    #5274486 - 02/07/06 06:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

i suggest you start off with the basics of chemistry. starting off small will only make learning organic chemistry that much easier.

General, Organic, & Biological Chemistry, Structures of Life. by Timberlake is a good introductory textbook.

but just stick to the basics or you'll definitely find yourself lost quickly. do lots of problems (schaums makes a really good study guide), and know your math (preferably at least a bit of calculus).


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Re: can anyone reccomend a "chemistry for dummies/newbies"????? [Re: eVil_]
    #5274590 - 02/07/06 06:39 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Eh, I would have to disagree. You don't really need to know math for o-chem, or at least psychadelic o-chem. If I were you I'd just pick up a "organic chem for dummies" book. Depending on how little chemistry you know you would want to understand the periodic table and some basic physical chemistry before you start o-chem. Otherwise organic is pretty much self-sustained, i guess. I would think a fairly bright person could pretty much jump right in.

if you just want to know how to name compounds and understand names you could probably get by with just one of those cliffnotes type deals.


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Re: can anyone reccomend a "chemistry for dummies/newbies"????? [Re: fazdazzle]
    #5274676 - 02/07/06 06:55 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well if you ever want to understand how these compounds are made and why the reactions that lead to them work, then you are going to need to understand at least some math. Algebra and a little bit of calculus is going to be necessary to understand things like stoichiometry, kinetics + thermodynamics etc.

I don't know of any "cliff notes" or "chemistry for dummies" books. I would say get a decent textbook and start reading, or better yet, take some classes.


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Re: can anyone reccomend a "chemistry for dummies/newbies"????? [Re: DadeMurphy]
    #5274687 - 02/07/06 06:59 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

yes one of the things i want/need to learn is the periodic table... so im really starting off at square one.

Im not the greatest at math... but then again.. havent really applied myself since the use of psychedelics... so who knows.

i would like to take classes... but that costs alot more money and need alot of prerequisites...

so i will try and find a beginers guide to orgainc chemistry with a periodic table... i think that should be a good starting point no?


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Re: can anyone reccomend a "chemistry for dummies/newbies"????? [Re: fazdazzle]
    #5276184 - 02/08/06 02:42 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Eh, I would have to disagree. You don't really need to know math for o-chem, or at least psychadelic o-chem. If I were you I'd just pick up a "organic chem for dummies" book. Depending on how little chemistry you know you would want to understand the periodic table and some basic physical chemistry before you start o-chem. Otherwise organic is pretty much self-sustained, i guess. I would think a fairly bright person could pretty much jump right in.

if you just want to know how to name compounds and understand names you could probably get by with just one of those cliffnotes type deals.




Well, I'd say that yes a fairly bright person could teach themselves the subject, but I don't think they could just jump in. I'd wager that it would take a long time of self-schooling.

I'm a bright person, and a chem major to boot, and I'm not very certain I could just "jump in" to organic chem. Myself I'm just doing a little reading here and there about it. I do think I could learn it on my own if I had to, though. I'd say a couple months of studious reading in my free time would be enough to gain a basic grasp of it.

Wiccan_Seeker uploaded a PDF of a great little supplemental handbook, however. The book itself is called The Organic Chem Lab Survival Manual and it's authored by James W. Zubrick.

It won't teach you everything you know, but it will help you to perform a little better if and when you attempt to put what you know to practical use in some sort of laboratory setting. I'm actually reading it myself right now. It's a nice book, and is worded in a way meant to be friendly to your average student.


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Re: can anyone reccomend a "chemistry for dummies/newbies"????? [Re: Konnrade]
    #5276381 - 02/08/06 06:46 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

is that pdf more geared toward the practice of working in a lab... or terminology and understanding what is what and how things work?


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Re: can anyone reccomend a "chemistry for dummies/newbies"????? [Re: Konnrade]
    #5276400 - 02/08/06 07:06 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Well, I'd say that yes a fairly bright person could teach themselves the subject, but I don't think they could just jump in. I'd wager that it would take a long time of self-schooling.





I received a chemistry set for Christmas one year and sat in the kitchen trying to figure out just what it was that was exciting about chemistry that would induce a parent to give a youngster a chemistry set for Christmas. One example in the book called for heating a test-tube and I put it near my cheek to sense if it was hot. My mother came in and took the chemistry set away because I had branded a round test-tube mark on to my cheek.


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Re: can anyone reccomend a "chemistry for dummies/newbies"????? [Re: agoutihead]
    #5276497 - 02/08/06 08:04 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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agoutihead said:
is that pdf more geared toward the practice of working in a lab... or terminology and understanding what is what and how things work?




It seems to me that it tries to include about equal parts of both.


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