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agoutihead


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best place with really powerful salvia extract??
#5274094 - 02/07/06 04:37 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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alright guys, im about to purchase about a gram.... i want to know the best place with the best quality product.
what are your guys experiences?
are they all the same?
i thought i seen extracts of 20x 30x and 40x... but the most i see on websites is only 10... what gives???
like i said i want to be sky rocketed to another planet. thats how i gets down.
should you smoke herb with this or just smoke it totally sober on its own?
-------------------- "When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert "Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye." "Experience the liquid realm..." "The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann
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Re: best place with really powerful salvia extract?? [Re: agoutihead]
#5274099 - 02/07/06 04:38 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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should i be looking for standardized... or non standardized... whats the difference?
which one is stronger?
-------------------- "When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert "Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye." "Experience the liquid realm..." "The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann
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Re: best place with really powerful salvia extract?? [Re: agoutihead]
#5274103 - 02/07/06 04:39 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Buy some 60x and smoke it out of a waterbong, no pot. Hold each hit in for 30 seconds.
http://www.everyonedoesit.co.uk/
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agoutihead


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Re: best place with really powerful salvia extract?? [Re: Cloud_Man]
#5274126 - 02/07/06 04:49 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah that was another question... the best way to smoke this is with a bong or a bubbler correct?
and is it a must to have water in it?
are there any places that sell this stuff in the us?
i think for now i might just get a gram of 10 or 20x standardized... its a bit cheaper that way.
-------------------- "When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert "Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye." "Experience the liquid realm..." "The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann
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Re: best place with really powerful salvia extract?? [Re: agoutihead]
#5274135 - 02/07/06 04:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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i noticed the stuff from europe is flavored... does anyone reccomend that or not??
-------------------- "When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert "Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye." "Experience the liquid realm..." "The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann
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Re: best place with really powerful salvia extract?? [Re: agoutihead]
#5274343 - 02/07/06 05:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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anyone... come on!
pm me if you want.
-------------------- "When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert "Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye." "Experience the liquid realm..." "The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann
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Re: best place with really powerful salvia extract?? [Re: agoutihead]
#5274989 - 02/07/06 08:14 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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If you buy 10x you will be severely disappointed. I don't even reccomend 20x to be honest. 40x or higher is the best way to go. Flavored Salvia... It's flavored, what can I say. If you like Peach flavored stuff go for it. A waterbong does require water, yes. I have smoked salvia out of a bowl before, it works, but not very well. I hope I was of some help. Just pm me if you want to know more, I've done salvia many times.
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Re: best place with really powerful salvia extract?? [Re: Cloud_Man]
#5275133 - 02/07/06 08:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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really? see ive been reading a few posts about this now... and most of the people say to do 10x that its good enough.. your one of the only people to say higher.
what is about a water bong that brings "her" on so much better?
what about the standardized and non standardeized... what is the difference?
-------------------- "When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert "Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye." "Experience the liquid realm..." "The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann
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Re: best place with really powerful salvia extract?? [Re: agoutihead]
#5275156 - 02/07/06 08:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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If 10x doesn't do it for you, you're either a hardhead, not smoking it right, or getting bad stuff, or maybe you just like a really strong experience.
If 20x doesn't do it for you, you're getting bad stuff.
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Re: best place with really powerful salvia extract?? [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5275209 - 02/07/06 09:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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i would like a really strong experience... but i might try standardized 10x first... i could always move up.
im going to read that whole page sagewisdom... looks good.
im gonna make sure i get it right the first time around
im a person who HAS to have music always specially when im fucked up... and a TON of lights... lava lamps, colored fog machines.. laserpod etc etc (i actually have a 55 gallon salt water tank in my wall that is viewable from both sides - and its fucking unreal!)
what do you guys think?
-------------------- "When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert "Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye." "Experience the liquid realm..." "The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann
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Re: best place with really powerful salvia extract?? [Re: agoutihead]
#5275218 - 02/07/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Honestly? None of that shit, not for salvia. It'll be annoying at best.
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Re: best place with really powerful salvia extract?? [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5275242 - 02/07/06 09:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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how are you my friend? sorry my computer crashed before i could say hi.
did you go to the symposium?
im surprised that lights and music dont enhance the experience like with other psychedelics.
what is it about the water bong that brings it on so much better?
-------------------- "When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert "Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye." "Experience the liquid realm..." "The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann
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Re: best place with really powerful salvia extract?? [Re: agoutihead]
#5276683 - 02/08/06 09:31 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I like to trip hard which is why I don't smoke the 5x-20x. In regards to the waterbong, someone at a head shop told me that the water makes the salvia more potent or "activates" it somehow. I'm not sure how true this is, but I did notice a difference when somking it out of a bowl compared to the waterbong. Music... I've played music on salvia, but I always kind of forget about it being there. I don't know, salvia is very different from other psychedelics. I suggest a dim lit room for lighting. Easy on the eyes.
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Re: best place with really powerful salvia extract?? [Re: Cloud_Man]
#5276702 - 02/08/06 09:39 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I am pretty sure you are not smoking it right if you need 40x to trip hard. I would recommend that anyone trying salvia for the first time should start with 5x. IMO anything over 20x is unnessesary and potentially dangerous.
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Re: best place with really powerful salvia extract?? [Re: abrad84]
#5277084 - 02/08/06 11:28 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Dont bother using a bowl, it will owrka little, but not to its full extent. I suggest going through i am shaman shop, they are a shroomery sponsor and i got my bag of 3 grams in 3 days. I bought some 6x, and smoked it out of a bong, IMHO the only way to go, or a gravity bong is better:) Dont bother with lights, music etc, because, everyone that tried it with me and got a good strong hit said they have never tripped that hard. Most everyone was frightened by the intensity of it, and most didnt want to try it again. It is much stronger than you may expect, people who tried it with and had done acid in the past said it was stronger, but unlike most other hallucinogens it is a very brief trip, lasting only a few minutes, then a strong afterglow/high for about 30-45 minutes id say. But from my experience the best way to ge the best results i use a big water bong if you can get one, torch the bowl never stop lighting it, fill the bong up alot and hold it in for as long as you can. Then sit back and hold on, one hit will blow your mind if you do it right. I second the above if you need 40x you are not getting a good enough hit.
P.S. If you do it right, be prepared to be out of control and say and do things you dont remember doing
Edited by droptopsunfire03 (02/08/06 11:31 AM)
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Re: best place with really powerful salvia extract?? [Re: droptopsunfire03]
#5277094 - 02/08/06 11:32 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Get the strongest non standardized from shamanspalace.com The 10x is plenty for me (actually the leaves are)...
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agoutihead


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Re: best place with really powerful salvia extract?? [Re: scatmanrav]
#5277116 - 02/08/06 11:37 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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why non standardized... what is the difference between that and standardized?
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Re: best place with really powerful salvia extract?? [Re: abrad84]
#5277343 - 02/08/06 12:24 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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abrad84 said: I am pretty sure you are not smoking it right if you need 40x to trip hard. I would recommend that anyone trying salvia for the first time should start with 5x. IMO anything over 20x is unnessesary and potentially dangerous.
If you think so I am going to change my mind about this though, this person should probably smoke 10x for their first time, it's very hard to predict how a person will react to Salvia. I fell in love with it, other friends of mine were extremely frightened of it.
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Re: best place with really powerful salvia extract?? [Re: Cloud_Man]
#5277411 - 02/08/06 12:44 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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My roommate just got an order of salvia from iamshaman, I'll let you all know how it works out. We got an ounce of leaves for quids, 5X and 10X non standardized, and some 10X standardized...
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Re: best place with really powerful salvia extract?? [Re: Kaleidoscope]
#5277591 - 02/08/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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come on someone... what is the difference between standardized and non standardized???
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Re: best place with really powerful salvia extract?? [Re: agoutihead]
#5278282 - 02/08/06 04:18 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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standardized is an extraction of the salvornin A and put back on salvia leaves, non standardized is a more crude extraction that does not result in only the salvornin A it is a tar extraction and that is put back on leaves. peace
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Re: best place with really powerful salvia extract?? [Re: blaze2]
#5278630 - 02/08/06 06:13 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'll be honest with you here, I've tried every method of smoking and nothing's worked except a bowl with a screen. That's it. The water stole all the goodness from salvia both times I tried a bong. I did salvia 4 times before it worked, and when it did, I wished it hadn't. 15x extract, small bowl/screen. That's not to say I won't do it again. I sure as hell will, but I didn't properly prepare for set and setting.
Definitely start at 10x, do NOT do 60x, not 40x, not 20x. Start at standardised 10x, that's it. Why? Salvia MAY be the most powerful hallucinogenic drug in existence. First, it's been known to act completely different in two individuals. Second, it's been known to have a reverse tolerance (the more you do it, the less it requires). Third, whereas LSD/shrooms don't cause hallucinations in the real sense, they just cause the information from your eyes to be interpretted differently, salvia will cause true hallucinations. I highly suggest a sitter. Some people have destroyed their rooms or broken limbs flailing around. Serious shit.
Edited by supersapien (02/08/06 06:15 PM)
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Re: best place with really powerful salvia extract?? [Re: blaze2]
#5279638 - 02/08/06 10:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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blaze2 said: standardized is an extraction of the salvornin A and put back on salvia leaves, non standardized is a more crude extraction that does not result in only the salvornin A it is a tar extraction and that is put back on leaves. peace
blaze2
Thats not the difference at all, you just said theyre both extractions and put back onto leaves..you forgot the whole standardization part.
Both extractions are done the same, but with non standard, you take say 10 grams of leaves, extract that, and use 1 gram of leaves to wipe up the goo..you now have 1 gram of 10x. How much is in that gram will depend on how powerful the original 10 grams is.
With standardized there is a specific amount of salvornum A per gram (say 25mgs per gram on 10x). You will get the same hit every time, and every batch you buy and you can more exactly dose yourself. Really, as long as its good stuff to begin with the non standard does fine, and is a great deal cheaper. It can be usful to buy, its just a waste IMO having tried them..but then so are extracts once you find good leaves and can smoke them properly, one bong rip is all you need.
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Re: best place with really powerful salvia extract?? [Re: scatmanrav]
#5279825 - 02/08/06 10:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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So non standard could be better or worse?
But, don't you take 9 grams and put it onto 1 gram? Else it'd be 11x?
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Re: best place with really powerful salvia extract?? [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5280841 - 02/09/06 07:21 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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ok so ive narrowed it down to standardized 10x.... where should i buy it?
iamshaman.com
or shamanpalace.com
or bouncingbearbotanicals.com
or all they all the same?
i noticed the stuff on "american" websites dont have flavored stuff.. anyone know of a place with flavored?
what do they use to "cook down" salvia to make the extracts?
-------------------- "When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert "Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye." "Experience the liquid realm..." "The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann
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Re: best place with really powerful salvia extract?? [Re: agoutihead]
#5281142 - 02/09/06 09:53 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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which vendor guys?
or are all three i listed pretty much the same?
anyone of them give you a "special gift" with your order?
-------------------- "When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert "Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye." "Experience the liquid realm..." "The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann
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