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Offlineblaze2
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Re: best place with really powerful salvia extract?? [Re: agoutihead]
    #5278282 - 02/08/06 04:18 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

standardized is an extraction of the salvornin A and put back on salvia leaves, non standardized is a more crude extraction that does not result in only the salvornin A it is a tar extraction and that is put back on leaves. peace

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Re: best place with really powerful salvia extract?? [Re: blaze2]
    #5278630 - 02/08/06 06:13 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I'll be honest with you here, I've tried every method of smoking and nothing's worked except a bowl with a screen. That's it. The water stole all the goodness from salvia both times I tried a bong. I did salvia 4 times before it worked, and when it did, I wished it hadn't. 15x extract, small bowl/screen. That's not to say I won't do it again. I sure as hell will, but I didn't properly prepare for set and setting.

Definitely start at 10x, do NOT do 60x, not 40x, not 20x. Start at standardised 10x, that's it. Why? Salvia MAY be the most powerful hallucinogenic drug in existence. First, it's been known to act completely different in two individuals. Second, it's been known to have a reverse tolerance (the more you do it, the less it requires). Third, whereas LSD/shrooms don't cause hallucinations in the real sense, they just cause the information from your eyes to be interpretted differently, salvia will cause true hallucinations. I highly suggest a sitter. Some people have destroyed their rooms or broken limbs flailing around. Serious shit.


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Re: best place with really powerful salvia extract?? [Re: blaze2]
    #5279638 - 02/08/06 10:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

blaze2 said:
standardized is an extraction of the salvornin A and put back on salvia leaves, non standardized is a more crude extraction that does not result in only the salvornin A it is a tar extraction and that is put back on leaves. peace

blaze2




Thats not the difference at all, you just said theyre both extractions and put back onto leaves..you forgot the whole standardization part.

Both extractions are done the same, but with non standard, you take say 10 grams of leaves, extract that, and use 1 gram of leaves to wipe up the goo..you now have 1 gram of 10x. How much is in that gram will depend on how powerful the original 10 grams is.

With standardized there is a specific amount of salvornum A per gram (say 25mgs per gram on 10x). You will get the same hit every time, and every batch you buy and you can more exactly dose yourself. Really, as long as its good stuff to begin with the non standard does fine, and is a great deal cheaper. It can be usful to buy, its just a waste IMO having tried them..but then so are extracts once you find good leaves and can smoke them properly, one bong rip is all you need.


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Re: best place with really powerful salvia extract?? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #5279825 - 02/08/06 10:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

So non standard could be better or worse?

But, don't you take 9 grams and put it onto 1 gram? Else it'd be 11x?


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Re: best place with really powerful salvia extract?? [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5280841 - 02/09/06 07:21 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

ok so ive narrowed it down to standardized 10x.... where should i buy it?

iamshaman.com

or shamanpalace.com

or bouncingbearbotanicals.com

or all they all the same?

i noticed the stuff on "american" websites dont have flavored stuff.. anyone know of a place with flavored?

what do they use to "cook down" salvia to make the extracts?


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Re: best place with really powerful salvia extract?? [Re: agoutihead]
    #5281142 - 02/09/06 09:53 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

which vendor guys?

or are all three i listed pretty much the same?

anyone of them give you a "special gift" with your order?


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