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Offlinejaycecp
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North American Church and Peyote
    #5273717 - 02/07/06 02:28 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

anyone try/consider joining a north american church? or trying to get in on a peyote ceremony? i have one 15 minutes away from me and was wondering if anyone knows anything about the NAC and that type of thing

im white but i guess it doesnt technically matter

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Re: North American Church and Peyote [Re: jaycecp]
    #5273729 - 02/07/06 02:32 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

It does, in that you're not 25% native american. (native american church, not NORTH american church)

That... or pay 250 bucks for a shotty experience you could get 200 of with some trichocereus. Think about it.

As far as a real ritual goes, native american style, you'll either need to work on changing your ancestry, or find a laid back group who are okay with it. Some will be quite the opposite.


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Invisiblebadchad
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Re: North American Church and Peyote [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5273797 - 02/07/06 02:49 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I think I mentioned it in another post but....

I don't think this sort of thing is as simple as saying: "Hey I'm gonna join the native american church then I can trip all the time".

These things have gone before the supreme court before. If it were easy we'd just create the "church of shroomerology" and claim any and all drug use is part of our new religion. I think there are more restrictions and hassles then you realize.


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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Re: North American Church and Peyote [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5273798 - 02/07/06 02:50 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

my bad about the NORTH. lol

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Re: North American Church and Peyote [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5273799 - 02/07/06 02:50 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I was going to say exactly the same as elgr, and I'm not even American. He's right.

But he has a kinda point though. A life prisoner in the UK lately took his case to the European Court of Human Rights, because he converted to a secular form of judaism and therefore claimed he was entitled to drink wine whenever a priest/rabbi was reading him the book to do with that religion.

Nuts huh.


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Re: North American Church and Peyote [Re: Xenophobic]
    #5273841 - 02/07/06 03:04 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Anyone who joins a church for the purpose of getting fucked up (and anyone who thinks about posting any specific churches that can be joined in THIS thread) especially if they make public notice of it is doing the entire barely legal area of the law a GREAT disservice. It's been difficult enough for people to get these rights, don't exploit it, and don't blab about it, and let one of the few POSITIVE things in the war on drugs in recent years continue to exist.


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Re: North American Church and Peyote [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5273871 - 02/07/06 03:13 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

everyone is on their own spiritual journey. native americans arent special.

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OfflineKingkole
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Re: North American Church and Peyote [Re: jaycecp]
    #5273880 - 02/07/06 03:17 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

its possible to find a group that would possibly join but you would prolly have to know them all quite well.

although i suppose you could do some research and re-create the experience yourself.

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Re: North American Church and Peyote [Re: Kingkole]
    #5273908 - 02/07/06 03:28 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

"everyone is on their own spiritual journey. native americans arent special."

This is true, and it wasn't my point.

My point is that these laws are struggling along. Don't take advantage of it at this point, or the little progress made will be lost. Even if more progress never occurs, I'd at least rather SOME people get a loophole in the law. (all the better that it's people who would traditionally use it) as unfair as it may be.


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Re: North American Church and Peyote [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5274054 - 02/07/06 04:23 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I know a friend who's friend's dad is a medicine man for a NAC in arizona.  You can join some but from what I hear A LOT of them are HEAVILY relgious christian groups and will force jesus down your throat or will force whatever else they believe in down your throat.  I agree with you though elgr, lets not join a church so we can get a free ride and in the process fuck up the churches freedom so no one can expand their horizon.  I can't help but to think how ignorant the world is sometimes (more like the world leaders).

=ERik= :mushroom2:

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