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Rabeat
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Having problems getting more then one flush
#5273434 - 02/07/06 01:05 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hi I dont know why but I am having problems getting a second flush from my casing . I get my first flush pretty well but when its time to get the second flush hardly nothing grows. My casing have a 2 inches substrat and are made why coco coir. (BRF cakes) Someone also told me that I should scratch the top of the casing to help for more flush ...His that true? Thx alot for the answers
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coda
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Re: Having problems getting more then one flush [Re: Rabeat]
#5273442 - 02/07/06 01:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Look into dunking your casing.
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Edited by coda (02/07/06 01:07 PM)
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StopGo
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Re: Having problems getting more then one flush [Re: Rabeat]
#5273449 - 02/07/06 01:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Are you dunking your casings after the 1st flush? Are you casing with coir or spawning to coir? Maybe you should try a different substrate, its possible that the first flush is exhausting all the nutrients. The substrate depth is somewhat shallow as well. Trying spawning to poo you will see drastic improvement in a number of areas.
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tiny_rabid_birds
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Re: Having problems getting more then one flush [Re: coda]
#5273463 - 02/07/06 01:13 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Scratching is generally a remedy for overlay, but it's effects are debateable. Many believe that scratching a casing does nothing more than waste the energy of the mycelium. Detail a little more about your growth parameters. You said your substrate is BRF cakes and is about 2in deep. Do you dunk your cakes prior to crumbling and casing? Is your casing layer pure coco coir, or is it 60/40 verm/coir mix? How thick is your casing layer? How often do you fan? What's your RH and temp?
BRF cakes aren't the must nutritious substrates. Perhaps you should look into doing whole grains.
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spooky
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Re: Having problems getting more then one flush [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
#5273958 - 02/07/06 03:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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IME a lot of times i didnt get any or very small additional flushes was due to food and water, as in the amount of nutrients they have available and their moisture content from the cake itself and the humidity. but these were problems IME, so they may or may not help you. as already mentioned, dunk your cakes. if you didnt do it before your first flush, try it out. you'll probably find positive results and that one extra day they werent in the FC will pay off in the long run. then do the same thing after each flush. it replinshes some lost water and cold shocks them.
make sure you maintain the proper RH....if its too low you'll have a hard time getting additional flushes.
it was always mostly food and water and a lack thereof. if you maintain steady conditions for them, id think about this. if you dont, it could be all sorts of different problems as already mentioned. my .02 and good luck.
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Dr_Demented
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Re: Having problems getting more then one flush [Re: spooky]
#5274451 - 02/07/06 06:14 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Here's my tips for you: Ground up your own organically grown brown rice. Do an at least 3" substrate layer with 50/50 casing mix at bottom and top. Pour some water in the container after each flush. Let sit for 12 hours or so and pour away what the casing didn't suck up. Patch/repair the top casing layer after each flush and mist and fan like there's no tomorrow. You should get more flushes this way. Did the above last time and got around 50 g. dry in 6 flushes. Total amount of ? pint cakes was 8. No mushroom were left to mature. Dry weight could have been more...
Good luck.
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hyphae
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Re: Having problems getting more then one flush [Re: Rabeat]
#5274535 - 02/07/06 06:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Read my pinning strategy it will help. Your nutes are in no way exhausted first of all second after the first flush there will be a waiting period as the myc digests more substrate and builds energy (up to a week) also soak that casing down good after the first harvest, don't scratch that will only distroy your pins created in your initial pinset for your second and third flushes. GL
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