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First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing
    #5273168 - 02/07/06 12:05 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well here goes.  Right now I have the second batch of 8 Quart Jars in my PC and figured now would be a good time to start up my log.  I'll be including prices so that anyone who hasn't endeavored into growing will see how I overpaid for everything :wink:.  My syringes from Cap Max at Sporelab.com arrived a little while ago and are waiting for inoc.  I purcahased a 3 pack of Transki, Equador, and Z.  They arrived in about 10 days including the weekend.

Here's a lit of everything I've purchased so far, their location, and price.

EDIT: As this time went on, plans were modified and added upon, so certain things in the list may not pertain until later.  The biggest change to keep in mind is that I later decide to spawn to 60/40 Coir/Castings in a Double Tub.  I have not updated the rest of my previous posts to reflect this, this edit and the list are the only things that I will edit.

******General (Too diverse to be in any one specific catagory and are good to have around)******
3 10ml Syringes (Transki, EQ, Z) - SporeLab.com - $25
Cigar Perfect Hygrometer - Online Hygrometer Shop - $13 + Shippin
50 20ml syringe with 18g x 1 1/2" Needles - RYVMED - $10 + Shipping
Nesco FD-60 American Harvest Dehyrdator - eBay - $38 + Shipping
Presto 18 QT Pressure Cooker/Canner (w/ extra gasket and plugs) - eBay - $38.10 + $11.61 Shipping
Coffee Grinder - Albertson's - $13
Hydrogen Peroxide - RiteAid - Lost reciept, <$2 (kmart has it cheaper)
HBF Poly-down Bonded Quilt Batting - Michaels - $3.99
Tyvek Envelopes 1st Class 10x13 - Staples - $21.98 (Each evelope can make 6 squares) (USPS will send them to you for free as well)
#64 Rubberbands 1/4lb - Staples - $1.29
70% Isopropyl Alcohol - RiteAid - Lost reciept, <$2 (kmart has it cheaper)
Lysol Disinfectant - Home Depot - $4.98
Chlorox Bleach - Albertson's - Can't Remeber, but it wasn't much.
Vermiculite - Home Depot - ~$2
Zipties - Home Depot - Don't Remember, lost receipt ~$5 I believe
1.88x60 Duct Tape - Osh - $5.99
5pc Duct Mask - Osh - $1.49
Coffee Filters - Already Had
Saran Wrap - Already Had
Foil - Already Had
Mixing Bowl - Already Had
Jar Tongs - Already Had
Spray Bottle (for 10% bleach solution) - Already Had
Measuring cup - Already Had


******Helpful/Optional******
20 30Gal Trash Bags - Albertson's - $2.00
Aroma Singer Burner (no kitchen right now) - Kmart - $19.99
My Weigh AXE 200g x 0.1g Silver Scale w/ 100g Weight - eBay - $26.89 + $8.00 Shipping
Capsule Filler, Tamper & 250 Empty Size 00 Capsules - eBay - $19.70 + $6.95 Shipping
Wet Ones Hand Wipes - Kmart - $2.29


******Casing******
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! Spray Bottle (for 10% bleach solution)
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! Jar Tongs
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! Mixing Bowl
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! Foil
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! Coffee Filters
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! 5pc Duct Mask
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! 1.88x60 Duct Tape
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! Vermiculite
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! Spray Bottle
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! Chlorox Bleach
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! 70% Isopropyl Alcohol
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! Tyvek Envelopes 1st Class 10x13
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! HBF Poly-down Bonded Quilt Batting
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! Presto 18 QT Pressure Cooker/Canner
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! 3 10ml Syringes (Transki, EQ, Z)
20lb Wild Bird Food - Kmart - $4.99 (enough for more than 24 QTs)
5 Bed-A-Beast Coco Coir Bars - PetHouse - $8.49 each
Ultra-Care Oyster Shells - PetHouse - $5.99
Miracle Grow Sphagnum Peat Moss - Osh - I forget, but it wasn't much.
12inch oscillating Desk Fan - Already Had
4 49qt Clear Tubs - Kmart - $6.49 each
12 Kerr Quart Jars - Albertson's - about $8.50
24pc Rubbermaid Container Set - Kmart - $9.99
1 1/4 inch Hole drill bit - $5.99
Bag of Earthworm Castings - Osh - $13.99
Strainer - Already Had
Lysol - Already Had
*TiT* See Below


******Lighting (any method will need it)******
14Watt CFL - Osh - $4.49
Single Program Timer - Osh - $2.74 (Really bought a double program timer, I was only charge for a single tho)
Light Outlet Adaptor - Osh - $2.19
6' Extrention Cord - Osh - $1.39


******Cakes******
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! Vermiculite
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! Tyvek Envelopes 1st Class 10x13
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! Presto 18 QT Pressure Cooker/Canner
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! Hydrogen Peroxide
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! HBF Poly-down Bonded Quilt Batting
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! Coffee Filters
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! Mixing Bowl
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! Jar Tongs
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! Measuring cup
4cu.ft Therm-O-Rock Perlite (Way too much perlite) - Osh - Lost Receipt, ~$9-10
12 Kerr Wide Mouth Pint Jars (8 for Cakes, the other 4 for LCs) - Albertson's - $9.79
MistyMate - Already Had
*TiT* See Below


******Liquid Cultures******
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! Measuring cup
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! Jar Tongs
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! Coffee Filters
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! HBF Poly-down Bonded Quilt Batting
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! Presto 18 QT Pressure Cooker/Canner
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! 2 Syringes (Z 1ml left and 10ml replacement EQ)
!Note, mentioned in 'Cakes' already! 12 Kerr Wide Mouth Pint Jars (4 for LCs, the other 8 for Cakes)
!Note, mentioned in 'Helpful/Optional' My Weigh AXE 200g Scale (To weigh 12.4g of honey for each 300ml of Water)
Organic Clover Honey - Trader Joe's - $4.29
Siphon with tube (only bought for the tubing) - Kmart - $3.99
RTV Silicone Sealant - Kmart - $3.49
*Glove Box* See below
*TiT* See Below


******Glove Box******
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! Spray Bottle (for 10% bleach solution)
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! Chlorox Bleach
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! 70% Isopropyl Alcohol
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! Lysol Disinfectant
18 Gal Storage Tote - Kmart - $4.00
80mm Cooler Master Case Fan - PC Club - $9.99
Honeywell HEPA Air Filter - Home Depot - $14.97


******TiT******
!Note, mentioned in 'General' already! Zipties
Zoo-Med Terrarium Thermometer - PetHouse - $10.99 (what was I thinking?)
2 18Gal Rubbermaid Roughneck Containers - Home Depot - Don't Remember, Lost Receipt ~$4 each I believe
200W ViaAqua Aquarium Heater - PetHouse - $19.99
Blankets/Towels - Already Had


Pictures (more coming)

My TiT.  It goes from 86-89 on the bottom to 82 at the very top.  It can hold 30 Quart Jars, but I'm only using 24.


The type of WBS I got at Kmart




15lb for 60 minutes

I have access to stables and plenty of hpoo, but no good way of pasturizing it where I am, but my next grow in April will be WBS and hpoo with 50/50+.  For now it's just going to be the WBS cased with 50/50+.


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Edited by Solidcell (03/18/06 04:53 PM)


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5273325 - 02/07/06 12:43 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

long long post.....should be posted in "growing logs"


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: RemainRandom50]
    #5273337 - 02/07/06 12:45 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Ah true, I forgot that there were subsections in Cultivation. If a mod could move me over I would appreciate it. Thanks for the reminder RemainRandom.

It's long only if you care to read my supplies, but that's only there for anyone who wants to get a general idea of how much stuff costs.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5273376 - 02/07/06 12:53 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Fuckin' awesome man. You went all out on recording this stuff. Great way to start out a nice, detailed grow log.

Now, if I may be so bold, I've got a suggestion or two. For one, you said there's a pretty major temp fluctuation within your TiT. What I do to remedy that is first I line the bottom with a really fluffy towel, to help evenly distribute the heat, rather than in being concentrated on the bottom of your jars. Or you could also make a small rack or something for the jars to sit on, so there's some space b/t the jar bottoms and the tub bottom, like the towel this would dissipate the heat. Also, I drape a blanket over my TiT, to act as insulation and keep the temp steadier, with less of a difference b/t the temp at the top and the temp at the bottom.

In the future, just go to the USPS website and you can get tyvek envelopes shipped to you for free.

You said you're looking for a larger strainer. Well personally, I just use screen stuff from a screen door. You can buy a massive roll of it, big enough for a door, for like maybe 5 bucks at a hardware store, or the tools section of walmart/kmart. The screen stuff I got works awesome, the holes are just small enough to prevent the millet seeds from falling through.

That's all I can think of so far, but it looks like you're on the right track. Good luck.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
    #5273439 - 02/07/06 01:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yea, I realized the Tyvek thing too late.

I already do have a towel on the bottom and a towel that wraps around all the jars in the tub.

And as for the strainer, I had that exact same idea seeing as I'll have the screen for the drying process anyways.  I think the roll of screen was $4-5.  I just hadn't purchased it yet because I'm going to by the drying supplies later and at the time didn't think to use it as a strainer as well.  I could have gone back up the street to get it, but I was too lazy and did a lot more work because of it :crazy:


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5273447 - 02/07/06 01:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well the screen stuff I have is plastic, not wire. It doesn't really matter, it's just that the plastic screen is easier to work with when straining stuff, as it makes a nice, workable pouch, rather than staying rigid like metal.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: RemainRandom50]
    #5273603 - 02/07/06 01:59 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

RemainRandom50 said:
long long post.....should be posted in "growing logs"




I could be wrong, but I don't think they get put into the grow log section until they're complete.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: FooMan]
    #5273633 - 02/07/06 02:10 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You could always just use a pillow case as a strainer instead of mesh :smile:


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Jaeger]
    #5274213 - 02/07/06 05:15 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I just strained it in small batchs. I really didn't need to let it drain for 20-30 mins like it's been said, although I did stain for 20 just to be safe. towards the end I just take the strainer and move it up and down (abruptly changing direction at the bottom is what forces the water out). Not so much at the top (unless I want WBS all over the place). I've got the 3rd batch out of 4 going (the last is only 3 jars). Tomorrow when they're all cool, I'll inoculate and start incubating. I'm always open to suggestions along the way so keep them comments a'comin'!

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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5277425 - 02/08/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Aight, so I inoculated 8 jars of each strain, and then put 4 on the bottom and 4 on the top of the incubator so no one strain has it better. Now we play the waiting game...











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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5279541 - 02/08/06 09:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Buying spores on the internet seems like the most unsafest way to grow. Won't they put yer a$$ on a list and come knocking on your door?


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Jeeter]
    #5279560 - 02/08/06 09:52 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Shroomery sponsors are totally discrete. So long as you use one of them, then you're safe.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Jeeter]
    #5279567 - 02/08/06 09:53 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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Buying spores on the internet seems like the most unsafest way to grow. Won't they put yer a$$ on a list and come knocking on your door?




Spores are legal to sell, but if you're really paranoid, mail your order in and pay by cash or money order. I don't know of any vendor that keeps records of mailed in orders. Credit card orders will leave a paper trail.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: FooMan]
    #5281416 - 02/09/06 11:18 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

So how many days should I wait to look in the incubator?


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5281429 - 02/09/06 11:20 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You can check on your jars as much as you want really. 4 times a day if you like. The only problem with that is you'll hardly notice any progress at all. If I were you, I'd try to wait an entire week. By that time there should be a bit of growth, but probably not that much, depending on how long it took the spores to germinate.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
    #5285410 - 02/10/06 10:53 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

So I've checked the temps with jars in the Tub this time. When the TiT is empty (jars are in it, but the jars are empty), the bottom is about 86 and the top is 82. With the inoculated jars inside, the bottom is 89 and the top is 84. The heater is set to 86 and in both cases (either empty jars or inoculated jars) I had them wrapped with a towel as you can see in some of my pictures.

Here's pictures of where I had the therm in both cases.

Bottom layer


The temp from the bottom layer (It dropped 1 degree from the time I took it out to the time got the picture right.


This is where the therm sits when on the top layer (when it reads 84). The temp in this pic is NOT right, it was taken right after I put it back and it had been outside for quite a while. This is just to show you where it's placed, it should be registering 84.


Also, What I think I'm seeing in some of the jars are the spores germinating.





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Edited by Solidcell (02/10/06 04:16 PM)


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5286560 - 02/10/06 04:44 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Wow, it's only been 2 days and the Equadors are already leaving the other strains in the dust. I'm past my upload limit for the day so i can only upload 2 of the 4 pictures I took. Check out these EQs:





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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5286737 - 02/10/06 05:45 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

what the hell i've never seen myc growing like that in little dots?? Looks good though. How dark were your syringes?


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: nuk1m]
    #5286759 - 02/10/06 05:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Hmm. Last time I had little dots like that, I believe it was a yeast contam. Better watch those jars.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: gourmetgrower]
    #5286770 - 02/10/06 06:05 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Should I keep them in the incubator with the others?


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: gourmetgrower]
    #5286789 - 02/10/06 06:10 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I'd watch them for a while. They may be OK, but should be removed if they fail to produce linear or rhyzomorphic growth.

It's hard to tell from photos, but that looks kinda like yeast to me.

Any other people have an opinion?


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: gourmetgrower]
    #5286801 - 02/10/06 06:14 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

gotta be a contam. its all over the jar. myc dosnt start off as dots all over the jar. First signs of myc are hard to see, very cloudy looking areas that thicken.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5286812 - 02/10/06 06:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I just got back from checking all of them, and it turns out that it's only like this (the pics were of the most speckled one of them all) with the Equadors. 5 of 8 show any sign of spots (even if its only 2-3 and not 1000's).

Nothing at all like this on the other jars/strains.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5289290 - 02/11/06 04:28 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well I've tossed all 8 of them (of the 3 that hadn't shown signs of yeast, 2 started to, and I'm sure the 3rd would have).  So now I've got 16 of Z and Transkis.  Bummer the 3rd strain had to drop out.  Cap max said he would send me a replacement syringe (hopefully not from the same print :wink:.  At least I lost the least potent of all the strains I have.  I'm pretty sure it was yeast and not mold because the spots weren't hairy, they were most like dried crusty spots eating into the seeds.

On a lighter note, In my inspection of all the jars I noticed that one of the Zs is just starting to colonize (just a little so far).

Here's the line-up of the soon to be off'ed EQs in order of inoc.  Sorry boys, another day, another grow.



oh and here's either myc starting or mold in one of the EQ jars, can anyone tell?







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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5289317 - 02/11/06 04:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

looks like myc, youll know in a few days for sure. Early myc tends to look greyish and smokey. kinda looks like cobweb. it will white'n up and thicken out if its myc.

bummer about the syringe. my last grow was f'd up casue the syringe was bad.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Drone]
    #5289338 - 02/11/06 04:36 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

def. mycelium in those later pics. In about 3-4 days youll notice the patch getting bigger and a few more forming in the jar


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: rygo796]
    #5289382 - 02/11/06 04:43 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

There were two jars with that stuff, and the one that looked more like mold was in one of teh EQs that I tossed (it was sorta hairy and not smokey like myc), and the other was in the Z (the smokey one). I'm starting to wonder which one I'll be trying first, Z or Transki (I'm holding off my first trip on shrooms to be with my own first grow).


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5289713 - 02/11/06 07:07 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

first trip? first grow? awesome, thats gonna be one memorable experience for you. Even better than you grew them youself and you have nothing to worry about.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Drone]
    #5289727 - 02/11/06 07:13 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Exactly, I figured it'd be the best first time I could possibly have, and enjoying the fruits of my own labor (pun intended  :tongue:) should feel rewarding.  I'm interested to see what strain everyone thinks I should first trip on, it's a shame this poll will be one strain short  :frown:.
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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5289737 - 02/11/06 07:16 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

And just to have as a reference in my log, here's a link I made in the contam forum about my EQs.
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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: FooMan]
    #5289909 - 02/11/06 08:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Buying spores on the internet seems like the most unsafest way to grow. Won't they put yer a$$ on a list and come knocking on your door?




Spores are legal to sell, but if you're really paranoid, mail your order in and pay by cash or money order. I don't know of any vendor that keeps records of mailed in orders. Credit card orders will leave a paper trail.






But you're also paying through a third party usually (paypal). PAypal keeps logs of your transactions


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: ke1n]
    #5290012 - 02/11/06 08:37 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

That's if you pay with paypal. You don't have to at all, you can pay w/ checks or money orders like fooman said. No paper trail there. Plus.. like he said, spores are totally legal to buy/sell. Sure, it can look suspicious, but such miniscule suspicions are rarely worth anyone's time.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
    #5290134 - 02/11/06 09:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

throw some cash in an envelope and leave special instructions to set fire to your order after read.  Make sure the bills are unmarked and nonsequential tho :wink:.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: ke1n]
    #5290190 - 02/11/06 09:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Buying spores on the internet seems like the most unsafest way to grow. Won't they put yer a$$ on a list and come knocking on your door?




Spores are legal to sell, but if you're really paranoid, mail your order in and pay by cash or money order. I don't know of any vendor that keeps records of mailed in orders. Credit card orders will leave a paper trail.






But you're also paying through a third party usually (paypal). PAypal keeps logs of your transactions




Most vendors don't use PayPal, but any type of credit card or check transaction will leave a paper trail, regardless of who processes it. A money order or cash is the only way not to leave a paper trail. Even then, you need to make sure that the vendor specifically states that they won't keep orders/addresses after the order is processed. This can be usually found in the FAQ on the website.

Spores are legal and most growing products are legal too (in most states). I would be cautious when buying from sites that sell both growing supplies AND spores together because common sense tells me that one day the feds will catch on or a pissed off parent will report them and they'll be shut down and most likely have their records seized too. Overgrow is an example and they weren't even selling anything.

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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
    #5290194 - 02/11/06 09:50 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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You don't have to at all, you can pay w/ checks or money orders like fooman said. No paper trail there.




I hate to tell you but a check will leave a definate paper trail!

But if your that worried about it, just have spores sent to a close friends house. My friend has his sent here, and if I get raided BFD, they wont find anything.


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    #5290208 - 02/11/06 09:54 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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    #5290319 - 02/11/06 10:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

nope.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5290342 - 02/11/06 10:54 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

cheack now? and if not send me a pm so that i can reply.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: cougercruiser]
    #5290700 - 02/12/06 02:07 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I wasn't liking how hot the bottom of the tub could potentially be, so I turned the Heater down to 84 from 86. I'll see how temps go now.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5291658 - 02/12/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Alright so I went over to Kmart and was checing out their clear tubs for the 2 double tubs I'm gunna be making, and these are the specks of the tubs I think would suit me best: 49qt 24.9 x 17.2 x 9 inches. The surface area would give me more pins than I could ask for and the height is perfect. The only problem is is that the bottom is not completely flat (the usual design with beveling and stuff). So to have a flat bottom, I'm either going to line the bottom with coco coir or verm. Which should I go with and how moist should they be?


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5291678 - 02/12/06 02:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Why does a flat bottom matter? So you have a quarter inch more depth in places. I can't see that having much effect.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Jaeger]
    #5291720 - 02/12/06 02:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Aside from a little uneveness, should I bother with a bottom layer of coir or verm?

So after just a little math, I'll be having about a 4 inch deep layer of substrate (casing and possible bottom layer aside) which means that according to the width and lenght of the tub, that will mean I need ~30qt of substrate. If each strain haas 8 qt jars of WBS (maybe 5.5qt of actual WBS) then I'll need 24-25qt of coco coir to spawn to. Is that an okay ratio? Any advice on what I should do?

Also, just to clarify, Wronguy's Double Tub Tek should work with the bulk I'm attempting right? With humidity and FAE I mean.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5291740 - 02/12/06 02:52 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Wow, I just thought, that much coco coir would cost more than the same amount of tenn stud most likely. Although I don't know how many quarts a certain weight will fill.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5293083 - 02/12/06 10:27 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Starting to see some spots of myc. Thank god germination is almost over, I was getting bored not seeing any changes.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5297539 - 02/13/06 11:43 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Here's a new pic. I've never seen a colonizing jar up close before, but something tells me this isn't right. It looks like cobweb to me, but my $.02 isn't worth much.







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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5298774 - 02/14/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

bump^


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5298824 - 02/14/06 11:25 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Myc usually starts out greyish like that and will get solid white with time. If it doesn't and your jars are completely colonized in a day or 2, it is cobweb. :frown:


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5298834 - 02/14/06 11:26 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Looks good to me dude. In the first and third pic you can see a dense area of myc. Now your jars should explode with growth in the next few days. Just be patient. I know it's incredibly hard, but it will all work out. Within 1-2 weeks you'll be casing those bad boys.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: FooMan]
    #5298835 - 02/14/06 11:26 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

At least there's hope its not cob, thanks guys, I'll be sure to post more pics with time.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5298850 - 02/14/06 11:30 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

These jars have been where they are for a while, so actually, correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't cobweb have most liekly shown up earlier (and all jars are showing these signs right about now)? Just a thought.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5300401 - 02/14/06 07:15 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I just checked up on the jars just now, the myc growth is coming along very nicely. The bottom layer however was noticably behind the top, nodoubtedly due to the heater temp now combined with the heat now being produced by the jars themselves. The heater was set to 86 and the bottom of the TiT was registering 90 degrees (the thermo might be a little +/-, bad thermo) while only registering 86 before. It's now set to a little under 84-84 (the heater goes in increments, so it's hard to say exactly).


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    #5300439 - 02/14/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Good documentation!

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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: cappa]
    #5300506 - 02/14/06 07:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Leave your jars alone, you are going to make it seem like a long time if you keep checking those jars everyday. Don't check them for a few days.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: DHJH]
    #5300699 - 02/14/06 08:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yea seriously dude, its way cooler to leave them alone for 3 days and then when you go to check on them your like, "Holy shit look at that business! I'm astounded at the amount it has progressed during my leave of abscence!!!"


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: JustK]
    #5300765 - 02/14/06 08:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

The possibility that it was mold got me way paranoid, and the last check was to see how much hotter the bottom was. It was at the highest I would let it get and I was sure the jars would have made it hotter, I got the temps where they should be now, so I won't be checking so often anymore.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5303754 - 02/15/06 04:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I have the wbs down pretty good now, atleast colonizing it in the jars, I have quart sized jars totally done in 5 days max, not using Lc.I think ur moisture content is low, they should be going faster, or ur incubator temp is too low.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: liloldme]
    #5303821 - 02/15/06 05:01 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

The temp is about 82-84 on top, and 86 on bottom, the temps might not be optimal, but its hard to keep them constant especially recently. The mositure might be to low, but it seems like the ones that have more moisture are doing worse.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5303831 - 02/15/06 05:04 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

what should the range be for the TiT on the bottom and top, max and lows?


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5303843 - 02/15/06 05:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

What you have sounds like it is great to me :smile:


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Jaeger]
    #5303849 - 02/15/06 05:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I can tilt the jars pretty far and none roll easily, and nothing dry if that. chunks will usually crumble off if it's tilted far enough.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5309368 - 02/17/06 12:44 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I figured I should shake the jars about now.


These are the Transki, the Z are not so well off..


This is an old pic, but it's almost exactly how well off the majority of Z are.

The Transki are all about the same. Regardless of strain, all the jars were shook (hopefully that spreads what little Z myc there is around).


Shaken Transki jars.

And I've now situationed the jars one one level instead of stacked. I've gotten the space by adding another bottom towel and raising the jars (which I needed to do anyways to get more even temps). Is Transki known for being a stronger colonizer?


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5309865 - 02/17/06 09:29 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

bump^, mourning everyone.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5310650 - 02/17/06 02:22 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I just checked the temp in the TiT (w/out looking at the jars! :rolleyes:) and the temp for all the jars is at a stable 85.5.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5310797 - 02/17/06 03:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

i would turn it down just a hair, i do mine @ a constant 82-83 degrees f.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: liloldme]
    #5311584 - 02/17/06 06:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well it's been what? 9 days since you inocc'ed?
How's that transki coming?

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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: cappa]
    #5311806 - 02/17/06 07:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

The Transki colonized like you see above, and I've shaken them all. I'm setting up my space for the two FCs right now and I'll be back with pictures. I have a 14W CFL on a Timer with 2 sets of on and off pieces, any recommendations? Right now I just have it set to ON 9am, OFF 9pm. The other set isn't being used.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5313377 - 02/18/06 01:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Here's a picture of the holes I cut, I made sure to be acurate to within 1/16th of an inch for all of the holes.


If you can't see the numbers on the bit, the holes are 1 1/4 inches.

Here's where the FCs will go. I'm not sure if they'll get enough AE under there, so I might have to have a fan oscillate somewhere nearby but not under the bed with them.
Actually, if I were to postition the fan (a 12 inch) on top of the subwoffer near the FCs facing away from the FCs at a wall a foot away, would that be good enough for FAE while not being too direct of the draft? I'll come back with a pic later if it's even a possibility.


Here's The two FCs, one isn't done yet because they were the wrong tub size. I picked up 4 from KMart and the top two inside the bottom two, were 27qt and not 49 which I didn't notice. It's actually a good thing because as you can see, the top wholes might be a little too low when inverted.



I'm going to pick up 2 more 49qt tubs which can now be the top tubs if I should indeed make the holes higher up.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5314027 - 02/18/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You shouldnt be checkng the jars so much from my understanding, the constant exposure to the light will slow down the mycelium growth. You should check them once a day at the most, but i like to check every 2-3 days.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Akira]
    #5314173 - 02/18/06 06:14 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

It's my first go at growing and I just want to make sure to get the temps right, the TiT got hotter as the myc started to grow. I won't be checking nearly as often on my next grow as I'll have the temps under control more or less.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5314217 - 02/18/06 06:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

It weird, even with all the towels under the jars and the TiT at 85.5, the tops of the jars are doing much better than the bottoms, so I turned the heater down to 81. I'll see how that affects the inside.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5316503 - 02/19/06 01:45 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I lowered the heater down to 80 from 81 becasue the Z seems to be doing much better since I lowered it yesturday. The Z now has spots of myc all over, hopefully with the lower temps they will spread. The Transki still has the myc on top and no myc on bottom. While I had the top tub out. I swirled the H2O with my hand and I can feel the different temps, so for the next time I use the TiT, I'm gunna throw in a pump as Onetime swears by. I hope the high temps thus far hasn't done anything irresversible, although I doubt it as the Z is doing much better after showing hardly anything.

It's weird, even after having the heater at 81, the inside temps were still at 85. Those jars produce a ton of heat!


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5316635 - 02/19/06 02:26 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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I have a 14W CFL on a Timer with 2 sets of on and off pieces, any recommendations? Right now I just have it set to ON 9am, OFF 9pm. The other set isn't being used.




If you want to try to save electricity I would run on a shorter cycle. I have done fine with 4 hours a day. But lately I just put monotubs stacked in a spare bedroom with some indirect light and they do fine.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: rawtoxic]
    #5320123 - 02/20/06 02:18 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

The bottom of the jars still seem to be having a hard time as the temps have still not gone down from 85 (except for a few that are not as close to the heater as the others). Since I'm not getting a pump just yet, to get around the bottoms being too hot, I've taken disposable paper bowls and used them upside down to cover the bottom. Now the jars sit ontop of upturned bowls, hopefully that will eliminate the problem by giving them a layer of air underneath them. They are still insualted to keep the overall temp the same.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5333096 - 02/23/06 09:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Here are more up to date pictures of the two strains. The transkis are almost there by the looks of it, except for a few that have nothing on the bottoms, but the Zs are having a hard time.

Transki:


Tranki with the bottom problem, a few are like this:


Z, one of the better ones:


Z, one of the worst:


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5333175 - 02/23/06 09:27 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

looking good! (except for that last one...) i cant wait till i get my spores in the mail =D


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Delusionz]
    #5333420 - 02/23/06 10:15 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Im excited to see pics from the fruits!!


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    #5333424 - 02/23/06 10:15 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Im excited to see pics from the fruits!!


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: liloldme]
    #5333489 - 02/23/06 10:26 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

ahhh yes solid cell i think has helped us all out in a way.....thanks....cant wait keep us updated =)

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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: cougercruiser]
    #5333537 - 02/23/06 10:39 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Nice GL. Hope to see some more pics soon!


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: inv3rse]
    #5333662 - 02/23/06 11:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

yea its always exciting to see pics of mushies growing, grow logs are never really interesting unless there are pics =D Great Job! :yourock:


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    #5333723 - 02/23/06 11:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

yes the pictures are where its at, without the pictures we wouldn't have anything to touch ourselves over....


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: liloldme]
    #5334326 - 02/24/06 08:18 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

think that maby the stalled growth in that one jar is due to CO2 concentrations being too high... well, either way, heat, or CO2 being that factor, there is a quick and easy fix for it, flip that jar, if the top is going quicker than the bottom, and the top is already colonized, put the sucker on its head and let is ass have a go at those optimium conditions.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: _Lucid_]
    #5334569 - 02/24/06 10:57 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Nice. Are you going to wait till all the jars are colonized till you case?


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Akira]
    #5334788 - 02/24/06 12:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I'm gunna have a look right now to see if enough are colonized to case now, if not then I'll flip and wait until tomorrow.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5335121 - 02/24/06 02:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Two of the Transkis were flipped, the other 6 were fine. The Zs will be behind the Transkis. I'm getting my coir/castings ready right now for sterilization so I can spawn later on tonight. I still need to exchange the two smaller tubs for the right size to use as the top tubs, which I can do while sterilizing before I mix later. The coir is cooling down a bit right now as it's still too hot to the touch to drain the excess moisture. I'll be adding castings to make a 60/40 of coir/castings.

I'd post pictures so far but I'm over my limit right now.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5335545 - 02/24/06 05:17 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I put tick marks a little less than 1/2 inch below all the polyfill holes where the casing will come up to, and then 3/4 inch below that where the substrate will come up to. I used 1.5 bricks of Bed-A-Beast Coco Coir bars to get 60% of the volume to the first tick mark. After I evened it out, I laid Worm Castings over the Coir to the tick mark. When spreading out the Castings and crumbling all the clumps, I found 2 worms, sorry fellas, in the trash you go (and to any still in there, sorry, but the microwave is no spa). I mixed everything up to an even consistency. I started putting the substrate into all the tubberware I had to get it ready for the nuking. I eventually needed to use the extra quart jars I had (from the EQs that didn't make it earlier, RIP). I filled 8 of them up to about the level that the WBS is filled to and then set that amount aside for my next casing (The volume of the WBS will now replace that substrate I took out). I'm nuking every container for 2.5 mins 2 times with a mixing in between each nuke. I'm goign to let all the containers sit overnight until tomorrow when I spawn.

Sorry for the lack of pictures, I have them on my computer but I'm over my upload limit, so I'll have to come back and add pictures when I'm allowed to.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5335573 - 02/24/06 05:28 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You could use photobucket or image shack to host some pics. Its all free and should work in times you reach you limit here. As you can tell im anxious to see how this is going  :biggrin:


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Delusionz]
    #5335609 - 02/24/06 05:37 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

True, I could use one of those sites, or even my University page (haha, right). The reason why I wouldn't tho is because if the image gets too much traffic, they replace the image with theirs, and I have all my pictures on the forums organized in folders in my Pics section. I have an OCD about things like that (once I organize things a certain way, I like to keep it consistant). Sorry to keep you waiting, but I should be able to up pictures within a few hours.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5336352 - 02/24/06 10:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

i have had problems with jars that have the bottom uncolonized.

one of 2 probs, not enough gas exchange

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contamination.... nasty little fuckers


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Oatman2000]
    #5336680 - 02/25/06 12:31 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

its all good, i think i can wait a 1/2hour till its "technically" tomorrow =D i dont want to mess with your OCD  :biggrin:


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Delusionz]
    #5336795 - 02/25/06 01:10 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Here's the coco coir being brewed. That's some fuckin' hot water.


Here's the coco coir already mixed with the worm castings filled to the first tick mark.


Here's all the jars and containers ready for nuking.


These rubbermaid lids became flimsy as hell afterwards and most are now caved in like this permanently (although most are just caved in on top, not disturbing the seal like this one). They caved in because vacuums were formed shortly after removing them from the microwave.


They're just cooling in the FC tonight until I spawn tomorrow. We'll see how the two flipped Transkis are doing by the time I spawn them.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5337054 - 02/25/06 02:43 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

ouch... were they supposed to be "microwave safe" rubbermaids? well at least all of them didnt turn out as bad as that one.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Delusionz]
    #5337068 - 02/25/06 02:58 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

The whole bundle was $10, the bowls themselves are all good anyways, no big loss.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5337073 - 02/25/06 03:04 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

well at least it was cheap. i think i have some microwaveable tupperware lying around somewhere that ill use. but i need my spores first :biggrin:


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Delusionz]
    #5339832 - 02/26/06 12:04 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

This all happened at about 1pm today, I was late to post pics and an update because some people came by, but here it is.

Here's the 8 jars of Transki WBS about to be spawned.


You gotta be sure to be sterile. I couldn't take down any of the posters in the bathroom cuz I don't want to mess with my roommates shit, but I sprayed a bleach solution and lysol on all surfaces and in teh air. I cleaned my gloved hands with 70% alcohol before I did anything different like opening the jars to tilling the WBS in with the substrate.


Here's the spawned substrate up to the first tick mark (the WBS made up for the substrae I took out perfectly).


Then I taped the outside up to the level the casing will go. I taped down about an inch under the bottom of the tub, but I don;t figure I need to tape the underside.


I've got a fleece blanket that I'm using to block out light, I have it drooping over the Polyfill holes by the duct tape.


Now it's just a matter of days, 5 I guess, probably more. in the mean time I'm working on a project that I'll post about soon and I just got some pint jars that I'm gunna prepare agars two tube way. This EQ syringe is gunna get some use!


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5340058 - 02/26/06 02:29 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

So I got all the stuff together that I needed to start some LCs. Here's everything I used.


And here's how much Polyfill I rull up to plug each tube. you kinda twist it in as you push, that gets all the frays in.


Heres the end of the drill bit I have pushed int the tube. When just end to end, the tub is slightly larger than the bit. After drilling, it still helped to take my pliars and rotate and press it into the hole to widen it just a bit more.


I applied the silicone to the top and bottom and then used my finger to smoothen the seal.


Sorry for the bad focusing, I don't know what was up with the camera, and I was taking pictures of small things, I guess that contributed to it focusing on the wrong things.

I made 4 pint LC jars like this. They'll be done setting tomorrow and I'll OC some honey and then inoculate the next day when they're cooled. The other 8 jars I'll make some cakes with in a perlite tub, might as well have some fun with cakes, couldn't hurt.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5340503 - 02/26/06 10:13 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Looking good, can't wait to see those transkei's grown out.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: fader]
    #5355268 - 03/01/06 09:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

wheres our update!!!?


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: cougercruiser]
    #5355578 - 03/01/06 10:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'm going to check on the substrate tomorrow, but I'm guaranteeing you it will take atleast 3 more days than that, the ratio of WBS to substrate was fairly low. We'll see tomorrow!


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5355887 - 03/01/06 11:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i just relized that you started ur inoculation last month on the 8....its goin on a month....is that a long process?


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: cougercruiser]
    #5356098 - 03/02/06 01:09 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

damn man, i cant wait to see what kinda dry weight you end up with. I bet its gonna have you set for a while ;-) Nice log man, best of luck, FUCK THOSE CONTAMS! you got a crazy one though, all cool red and shit. anyway, GL.
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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: shroomr4life]
    #5357127 - 03/02/06 11:35 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks Shroomr4life!

Quote:

i just relized that you started ur inoculation last month on the 8....its goin on a month....is that a long process?




It seems like it, it could have gone faster, but it's my first time. I'll be checking on it in a little bit, I need to get ahold of the camera first.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5357189 - 03/02/06 11:58 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I cut away a section fo the duct tape to see the substrate. I kinda got a view on to the surface when using the pre-flash red light on the camera to see thru the condesation, but I couldn't get a good picture of it, only this one. The top looked creamy but I couldn't tell that well since everything had a red hue and looking thru the condensation didn't help. If I took the blanket off and brought it into the light I'm sure I could see it and get a picture, but I don't think I'm supposed to.



If anyone has any better ideas on how to get a better view, I'll give it a try, I just cant open the actual container yet. By the loks of it, it might not need 3 days more, but I do think it needs a little more time. I think I'll give it 2 days extra, I want it nice and colonized before I case.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5365907 - 03/04/06 10:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I just got my spore print from FSRC, it's a SA from April of 05. I'll be putting it in the GB, and making a few LCs of it. I'm expecting a print from the FSP in Italy. I got the confirmation email and I have a Hypholoma capnoides coming in the mail.

On a side note, I've decided to do 60/40 verm/coir, I don't have any hydrated lime, so its the next best thing I guess. I was looking forward to using 50/50+, bummer.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5368034 - 03/05/06 05:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Update?

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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: cappa]
    #5368253 - 03/05/06 06:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I went to Osh to get some gypsum but they only had it in 40lb bags for $6. The price isn't my worry, it's getting too much that worries me, and I'd hate to just toss a lot of it. I probably should have bought it anyways, but I didn't, so here is the mix I'll be going with:

20% Coir
50% Verm
25% Peat
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I only needed like a cup of gypsum, so you can see how 40lb would be a tad wasteful. I pulled that mistake with the 4 cubic foot bag of Perlite -- whcih I'm not even using right now.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5369470 - 03/06/06 01:07 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I've finished mixing and now finished nuking all the quart jars of casing mix.
Here's the final mix:
10.75 cups coco coir
19 cups vermiculite
10.1 cups peat moss
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It's all in quart jars now and I'm going to wait until noon to case.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5371575 - 03/06/06 04:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I've just finished casing and putting the covered double tub back under the bed. I only used 6 of the 13 jars of casing mix, so for next time I mix, a 3/4inch casing layer takes about half of what I mixed up.

Here's the tub before it was opened, lots of condensation.


Here's the opened tub.

There was a couple areas with a good amount of puddled water, but that was from the water falling from the top when I moved it to the bathroom, I won't be moving it like that again until harvest, so it shouldn't pose a problem.

There were porous clusters of myc that looked almost like caulk which you can see here.

The discoloration is myc piss I'm fairly sure.

Here is more of what I think is myc piss.


And here is the final picture before I closed her up.


Does all that myc piss mean I should have cased earlier? I think I might have waited a day longer than I should have, but I was waiting until that little bit of substrate I had a view of was colonized.

I also was planning on getting another 49 qt tub from Kmart to use as the top tub (and move the hole a few inches higher than they are now), but their "Come back in 2 days and we should have more in" and more of my phone calls has resulted in them only having 45qt tubs in. yay. So my tops holes are not as high as they should be, but nothing can be done about that now. Next time.

Aside from that, the casing layer should be done in 5 days, so expect an update then.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5374213 - 03/07/06 01:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

bump, anyone care to elaborate? This is my first grow, so I'm seeing this all in person for the first time.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5374383 - 03/07/06 02:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It looks good man. I think you could have cased a little sooner, but what the hell huh? Are you planning on cold shocking and light shocking the pinset? Or are you going to put them in optimum conditions and wait for it to happen by itself?

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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: cappa]
    #5375696 - 03/07/06 08:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

when the casing is done, I'm just gunna take off the blanket and turn on the light w/timer. I'm in no rush.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5382565 - 03/09/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

so far so good....nice job man....cant wait....im just waiting for my 4 casing's to finish up myself.....damn mine almost cought up to urs.....sporelab is da shit~


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: cougercruiser]
    #5390470 - 03/11/06 09:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

At noon today the blanket was taken off, the light was turned on, and the 12' oscillating fan was turn on (the fan faces the wall with its back to the tub on the lowest setting. The light's being turned off at around 9. I'm still considering light on/off times to use with the timer. I think from 4am-2pm (not so early as to wake anyone up, and not so late as to have the glow under the bed noticable later in the day. I wasn't home today, so I had my roommate turn on all the stuff I had set up earlier for him. When I get back tomorrow mourning, I'll post pictures.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5392128 - 03/12/06 02:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Here's some pictures of the setup. I was hoping to see the top more evenly colonized. There's some pretty big clumos of myc., I don't know why is colonized so oddly, any input?





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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5392298 - 03/12/06 03:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I figured I'd take pictures of the Z jars to show how they ended up (I'll spawn them eventually, but I figure I'll learn from this casing before I case the Zs).  I also took pictures of the LC jars, I'll be using some of the myc to inoc 8 pint jars to be used as cakes.  I skipped cakes altogether but I still would like to have some fun with them seeing as I have so much Perlite anyways :wink:.

The Z Jars


One of the LC jars (pint size).  They all look roughly the same.  One or two have a little bit of sediment stuck to the bottom of the myc because I never filtered and re-PCed, but the stuff isn't big enough to clog a needle even if I did suck some up.



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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5392373 - 03/12/06 03:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Nice man your really putting effort into this. Hope to see some shrooms soon :wink:


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Akira]
    #5406350 - 03/15/06 10:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

any update?


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: cougercruiser]
    #5406922 - 03/16/06 01:16 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'm just waiting for pins.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5412497 - 03/17/06 12:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I don't know about this casing... it looks too moist in there (there're beads of water on the myc poking through in clumps) and the myc is, as you could see, in clumps and not in the vallies of the casing... I still see no knots and definatly no pins. *sigh* next time I guess. Sorry to disapoint you guys that were wanting to see some shrooms.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: kwikness]
    #5414576 - 03/17/06 09:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I didn't get a hygrometer because it wasn't supposed to be needed with the double tub tek, but I had needed to change thigs about it so I really should have tapped one to the inside or something. I had turned the fan up earlier, I'm still just waiting.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5416090 - 03/18/06 02:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Aight, so I have overlay, an oddly colonized casing layer,a nd no knotting or anything (except myc piss and water beads on the myc). Obviously I don't have a good intuition about casing, so I'll go with other opinions. I was thinking that since it's most likely that nothing will happen, should I maybe toss the top 1.5 inches and case with 1/2inch and maybe let it incubate more? Will that have any chance of helping? I'm up for any suggestions as I'd rather my months of work not go completely to waste. Shit this is disappointing. Just my luck to screw up at the very end.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5416192 - 03/18/06 03:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I scraped the casing off and tried to get down to the colonized subsrated... but it's like it never came, it was mostly brown substrate with a ting of white myc thrughout it... shouldn't I have encountered myc like before I cased it? The substrate felt really rubbery. I put casing into the gap the overlay had left, and recased it. It's not back under the blanket with no light or fan. I'm sure it's no use though, this casing is dead. So much for a successful first try.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5416212 - 03/18/06 03:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Sorry to hear that man. I don't get how you can have no colonization and yet have overlay at the same time? This isn't passing the sniff test.  :smile:

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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: cappa]
    #5416247 - 03/18/06 03:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Me too, I really would like to know so I don't make it again next time. The only thing besides the need for the top holes to be higher (not THAT big of a deal as to make it stop) is that I should really ahve used a trash bag to line the tub liek the tek says. I cut a strip of the duct tape down to the bottom to get an idea of what the layers are like and I can see that there is water coming up the sides. Here is a picture of the layers with me me pressing the tub to the substrate and raising the water level (you can't really see the water level in the pics).



If someone that know more about this could tell me if that was my problem, I'd appreciate it. I'm definatly not giving up, but I would really like to know where I went wrong so I don't do it again. Although I definatly know to use the bag if I follow the double tub tek next time.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: cappa]
    #5416261 - 03/18/06 03:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Okay I just read your growlog from beginning to end. A few questions for ya.

Did you leave this in direct sunlight at any time?
Did you monitor the temps during the fruiting stage?
Was their overlay/myc on the top when you scraped it off and found nothing underneath?
Any 'strange' or foul stench when you opened the FC up and messed aroud in there?


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5416272 - 03/18/06 03:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'm gunna need to get a good hygrometer (I'm not satisfied with the Springfield ones at Home Depot, the max RH readings aren't very good) and I'm going to make a perlite tub with a computer fan and HEPA for FAE and to keep the rH down. I'll give the double tub tek a go some other time, but I'd rather try one that lets you incubate the trays after spawning and casing.

I went to a few cigar stores looking for a Cigar Perfect hygrometer, but no luck. Anyone have any links to a good hygrometer for the money? I should be able to pull off casings once I have one, I really should ahve bought one before.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: cappa]
    #5416294 - 03/18/06 03:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Did you leave this in direct sunlight at any time?



No, when I initiated pinning it was always under my bed right under the 14W CFL for atleast 10 hours. It turned off at 1pm, so it got a few more hours of *some* indirect sunlight.

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Did you monitor the temps during the fruiting stage?



No, it's usually about 72 in my room, and there's nothing I can do about ambient temps, so I just accepted it.

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Was their overlay/myc on the top when you scraped it off and found nothing underneath?



The top looked like it did when I took that picture after I took the blanket off (nothing more had colonized) except there was a little more myc piss and water beads.

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Any 'strange' or foul stench when you opened the FC up and messed aroud in there?



Nope. Nothing except the strange odor of myc.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5416319 - 03/18/06 03:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Pft.. got me.. on that last pic it looks like their is myc going all the way down. Is that what it looked like when you tossed it?

Everything sounds right to me. Are you sure you just didn't get impatient? How long did you wait for pins?


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: cappa]
    #5416344 - 03/18/06 03:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Since the 11th, it had been a week and the casing wasn't getting myc in the vallies and hyphal knots were not coming. I still have 4 qt jars of Z colonized WBS. I'm going to order a Cigar Perfect hygrometer and make that tub with perlite. The Z jars have some myc piss in them, so I'd rather use them soon. I've heard they stay fine in the jars for months, so they should still be good to spawn, right?


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5416379 - 03/18/06 04:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Ya they'll be fine. Especially since they are so passive in your case.

What are you going to change?


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5416396 - 03/18/06 04:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Aight, I ordered a Cigar Perfect hygrometer, and I'm going to fiddle with the voltages going to the computer fan in conjunction with the HEPA filter and polyfill plugs to get a good rH in a perlite chamber. I'll just use aluminum trays this time. Thanks to everyone that gave me support and advice along the way, if it weren't for you guys I wouldn't have even made it this far and learned as much as I have. Now that I have my feet wet, I might as well just dive in!

Love to my fellow Shroomites,
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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5416449 - 03/18/06 04:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Change? Instead of doing another double tub (and fixing what I did wrong) I'll make a perlite tub with a computer fan, HEPA filter, and polyfill plugs (above the perlite so CO2 can drain) and use aluminum trays. This way I'll be able to incubate the tryas in the TiT instead of having to let it sit and incubate in the room (where the temp is lower). I ordered the Hygrometer and I'm going to go to pick up a pump to improve my TiT. I also think I'm going to return my heater for a new one because this one has some dry green stuff growing on the individual coil tubes, if anyone wants a picture I can upload one.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5416472 - 03/18/06 04:26 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds good! Trying to get some FAE in there eh? Couldn't be a bad idea.

As for the green shit, that's probably just copper oxidizing.
Dunno why it would though unless moisture/air got into it or it wasn't evacuated properly when assembled. Getting a new one doesn't sound like a bad idea.

Keep us updated!


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: cappa]
    #5417222 - 03/18/06 09:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

lol im having the same problem with my lil guys......the yellow stuff i think that you see in the bottom of ur casing is water....you must have sprayed them to much within a short periode of time......it seems like ur casing layer is to thick so all the water seeped to the bottom makeing the top look dry, hence causing you too spray more water on the top layer. hyphae tek states that your supposed to stop misting after you see myc poking threw the top of the substrate. but this doesnt make sence to me because if you look at his pictures below it clearly shows that there is grips of myc all over his top layer?.....Im so confussed......


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: cougercruiser]
    #5417426 - 03/18/06 10:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You want it to stop colonizing with myc in the vallies of the casing layer (so it's a mix of uncolonized casing and myc poking through the vallies). So you patch and birth when it's not done so that it stops to fruit when it's colonized as it should.

I never misted once. The double tub tek doesn't require misting or patching if done correctly. It's set and forget once it's closed. It's only opened for harvesting. You could mist it once before closing it, but that's negligable.

The water was from the substrate being slightly too moist (although after the nuking it should have leveled off some, but still too much I bet) and from condensation dripping down the sides of the tubs between the substrate and platic walls (I didn't have a trash bag lining it like I should have). The yellow stuff is probably myc piss that's seeped down to the water and stained the myc at the bottom.

The reason you stop misting when the myc pokes through is because at this stage it has enough water to carry it through fruiting.

When I have the FC set up, I'll be following hyphae's tek.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5432549 - 03/22/06 11:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yah i read hyphae's tek and to my suprise it helped a lot....now i have about one full casing that has a grip of mushies just popin up!!!!
yay yay yay~~~!!! i just wanna say thank you solidcell i wouldnt have shit thanks to you! .....ohh and thank you hyphae as well =p


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