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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: kwikness]
    #5414576 - 03/17/06 09:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I didn't get a hygrometer because it wasn't supposed to be needed with the double tub tek, but I had needed to change thigs about it so I really should have tapped one to the inside or something. I had turned the fan up earlier, I'm still just waiting.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5416090 - 03/18/06 02:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Aight, so I have overlay, an oddly colonized casing layer,a nd no knotting or anything (except myc piss and water beads on the myc). Obviously I don't have a good intuition about casing, so I'll go with other opinions. I was thinking that since it's most likely that nothing will happen, should I maybe toss the top 1.5 inches and case with 1/2inch and maybe let it incubate more? Will that have any chance of helping? I'm up for any suggestions as I'd rather my months of work not go completely to waste. Shit this is disappointing. Just my luck to screw up at the very end.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5416192 - 03/18/06 03:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I scraped the casing off and tried to get down to the colonized subsrated... but it's like it never came, it was mostly brown substrate with a ting of white myc thrughout it... shouldn't I have encountered myc like before I cased it? The substrate felt really rubbery. I put casing into the gap the overlay had left, and recased it. It's not back under the blanket with no light or fan. I'm sure it's no use though, this casing is dead. So much for a successful first try.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5416212 - 03/18/06 03:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Sorry to hear that man. I don't get how you can have no colonization and yet have overlay at the same time? This isn't passing the sniff test.  :smile:

Wonder what the real problem was?


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: cappa]
    #5416247 - 03/18/06 03:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Me too, I really would like to know so I don't make it again next time. The only thing besides the need for the top holes to be higher (not THAT big of a deal as to make it stop) is that I should really ahve used a trash bag to line the tub liek the tek says. I cut a strip of the duct tape down to the bottom to get an idea of what the layers are like and I can see that there is water coming up the sides. Here is a picture of the layers with me me pressing the tub to the substrate and raising the water level (you can't really see the water level in the pics).



If someone that know more about this could tell me if that was my problem, I'd appreciate it. I'm definatly not giving up, but I would really like to know where I went wrong so I don't do it again. Although I definatly know to use the bag if I follow the double tub tek next time.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: cappa]
    #5416261 - 03/18/06 03:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Okay I just read your growlog from beginning to end. A few questions for ya.

Did you leave this in direct sunlight at any time?
Did you monitor the temps during the fruiting stage?
Was their overlay/myc on the top when you scraped it off and found nothing underneath?
Any 'strange' or foul stench when you opened the FC up and messed aroud in there?


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5416272 - 03/18/06 03:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'm gunna need to get a good hygrometer (I'm not satisfied with the Springfield ones at Home Depot, the max RH readings aren't very good) and I'm going to make a perlite tub with a computer fan and HEPA for FAE and to keep the rH down. I'll give the double tub tek a go some other time, but I'd rather try one that lets you incubate the trays after spawning and casing.

I went to a few cigar stores looking for a Cigar Perfect hygrometer, but no luck. Anyone have any links to a good hygrometer for the money? I should be able to pull off casings once I have one, I really should ahve bought one before.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: cappa]
    #5416294 - 03/18/06 03:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Did you leave this in direct sunlight at any time?



No, when I initiated pinning it was always under my bed right under the 14W CFL for atleast 10 hours. It turned off at 1pm, so it got a few more hours of *some* indirect sunlight.

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Did you monitor the temps during the fruiting stage?



No, it's usually about 72 in my room, and there's nothing I can do about ambient temps, so I just accepted it.

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Was their overlay/myc on the top when you scraped it off and found nothing underneath?



The top looked like it did when I took that picture after I took the blanket off (nothing more had colonized) except there was a little more myc piss and water beads.

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Any 'strange' or foul stench when you opened the FC up and messed aroud in there?



Nope. Nothing except the strange odor of myc.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5416319 - 03/18/06 03:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Pft.. got me.. on that last pic it looks like their is myc going all the way down. Is that what it looked like when you tossed it?

Everything sounds right to me. Are you sure you just didn't get impatient? How long did you wait for pins?


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: cappa]
    #5416344 - 03/18/06 03:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Since the 11th, it had been a week and the casing wasn't getting myc in the vallies and hyphal knots were not coming. I still have 4 qt jars of Z colonized WBS. I'm going to order a Cigar Perfect hygrometer and make that tub with perlite. The Z jars have some myc piss in them, so I'd rather use them soon. I've heard they stay fine in the jars for months, so they should still be good to spawn, right?


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5416379 - 03/18/06 04:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Ya they'll be fine. Especially since they are so passive in your case.

What are you going to change?


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5416396 - 03/18/06 04:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Aight, I ordered a Cigar Perfect hygrometer, and I'm going to fiddle with the voltages going to the computer fan in conjunction with the HEPA filter and polyfill plugs to get a good rH in a perlite chamber. I'll just use aluminum trays this time. Thanks to everyone that gave me support and advice along the way, if it weren't for you guys I wouldn't have even made it this far and learned as much as I have. Now that I have my feet wet, I might as well just dive in!

Love to my fellow Shroomites,
Solidcell


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5416449 - 03/18/06 04:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Change? Instead of doing another double tub (and fixing what I did wrong) I'll make a perlite tub with a computer fan, HEPA filter, and polyfill plugs (above the perlite so CO2 can drain) and use aluminum trays. This way I'll be able to incubate the tryas in the TiT instead of having to let it sit and incubate in the room (where the temp is lower). I ordered the Hygrometer and I'm going to go to pick up a pump to improve my TiT. I also think I'm going to return my heater for a new one because this one has some dry green stuff growing on the individual coil tubes, if anyone wants a picture I can upload one.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5416472 - 03/18/06 04:26 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds good! Trying to get some FAE in there eh? Couldn't be a bad idea.

As for the green shit, that's probably just copper oxidizing.
Dunno why it would though unless moisture/air got into it or it wasn't evacuated properly when assembled. Getting a new one doesn't sound like a bad idea.

Keep us updated!


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: cappa]
    #5417222 - 03/18/06 09:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

lol im having the same problem with my lil guys......the yellow stuff i think that you see in the bottom of ur casing is water....you must have sprayed them to much within a short periode of time......it seems like ur casing layer is to thick so all the water seeped to the bottom makeing the top look dry, hence causing you too spray more water on the top layer. hyphae tek states that your supposed to stop misting after you see myc poking threw the top of the substrate. but this doesnt make sence to me because if you look at his pictures below it clearly shows that there is grips of myc all over his top layer?.....Im so confussed......


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: cougercruiser]
    #5417426 - 03/18/06 10:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You want it to stop colonizing with myc in the vallies of the casing layer (so it's a mix of uncolonized casing and myc poking through the vallies). So you patch and birth when it's not done so that it stops to fruit when it's colonized as it should.

I never misted once. The double tub tek doesn't require misting or patching if done correctly. It's set and forget once it's closed. It's only opened for harvesting. You could mist it once before closing it, but that's negligable.

The water was from the substrate being slightly too moist (although after the nuking it should have leveled off some, but still too much I bet) and from condensation dripping down the sides of the tubs between the substrate and platic walls (I didn't have a trash bag lining it like I should have). The yellow stuff is probably myc piss that's seeped down to the water and stained the myc at the bottom.

The reason you stop misting when the myc pokes through is because at this stage it has enough water to carry it through fruiting.

When I have the FC set up, I'll be following hyphae's tek.


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Re: First Grow Log, WBS and 50/50+ Casing [Re: Solidcell]
    #5432549 - 03/22/06 11:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yah i read hyphae's tek and to my suprise it helped a lot....now i have about one full casing that has a grip of mushies just popin up!!!!
yay yay yay~~~!!! i just wanna say thank you solidcell i wouldnt have shit thanks to you! .....ohh and thank you hyphae as well =p


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