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Abrainspot
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Growing Suggestions
#5271728 - 02/06/06 10:30 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I had halted my first grow because of my parents selling the house.
Im now going to have my own place, no worries of unexpected ppl.
For my first grow i just want to get a small batch of cubensis for me and a few friends to trip (I have Orissa India, and PES Amazon spores). I have a bunch of bird seed and i dont want to use brf.
Any suggestions on this first grow?
Can i grind up the bird seed; inplace of the brf, and grow them as cakes? Should i inoculate plain wbs and spawn to poo in casings?
Any suggestions would be helpful, thanks
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musher_420
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Re: Growing Suggestions [Re: Abrainspot]
#5271743 - 02/06/06 10:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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This is pretty comprehensive http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5078282/an/0/page/0
If you don't want to use poo just use the coir as a substrate tek.
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Rahz
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Re: Growing Suggestions [Re: Abrainspot]
#5271776 - 02/06/06 10:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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>>>>I have a bunch of bird seed and i dont want to use brf.
You might as well go bulk if you're going to use seed. Bird seed will colonize quickly, and pasturizing straw or poo is easy. You can do a log, or a casing. For simplicity, I'd spawn to straw and fruit it as a log. Casings are easy, but that's more supplys to buy, vermiculite if you don't already have it, peat (or coir), oyster shell, and hopefully some calcium carbonate or high calcium lime. If you can get ahold of it, it's not really that much more work.
If you're using seed, I'd recommend avoiding cakes, simply because you can get so many more shrooms spawning to bulk, with the same, or less, effort (less time too). Also, consider starting an LC. A syringe is good for innoculating 4-6 quart jars, a LC would let you inoculate 10, and have more for later.
Final suggestions: read up on using tyvek on your jars if you haven't already, and buy a PC if you don't have one 
Rahz
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Premedman1
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Re: Growing Suggestions [Re: Rahz]
#5271814 - 02/06/06 10:53 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Rahz said: If you're using seed, I'd recommend avoiding cakes
Seed cakes?
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Abrainspot
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Re: Growing Suggestions [Re: Rahz]
#5271815 - 02/06/06 10:53 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Musher420- Thanks for that link, i added it to my favorites now. Ill definitely be looking through all those teks. I appreciate the time u put into that.
Rahz- An LC is a good idea, im check some teks about them; I want to test 2 or 3 wbs pint jars first, see if i can get them to colonize, if i can then ill prob use 1 or 2 to use to spawn to more jars, and use the extra jar for a small casing (maybe even grow sright outa the jar). Then in the mean time ill have a few LC jars growin.
Thanks for the replys, ill keep progress posted.
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Abrainspot
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Re: Growing Suggestions [Re: Premedman1]
#5271831 - 02/06/06 11:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah i was thinking grind up the wbs into a fine consitancy like brf, add some verm and try to grow them as cakes.
Im not nessecarily looking for a lot of shrooms, just a good amount for me a my friends to trip; good potency. As of now, atleast.
Althought i wouldnt mind having an near-unlimited supply, ha
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Rahz
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Re: Growing Suggestions [Re: Premedman1]
#5271833 - 02/06/06 11:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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>>>>seed cakes?
Ground up WBS might make better cakes than BRF, but I'd avoid cakes all together.
Whole seed cakes would work... you'd probably be pulling seeds off at harvest, but it would work. You could fruit the seed cakes and then use them for spawn ... or just go bulk.
Rahz
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Rahz
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Re: Growing Suggestions [Re: Abrainspot]
#5271843 - 02/06/06 11:05 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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>>>Im not nessecarily looking for a lot of shrooms... Althought i wouldnt mind having an near-unlimited supply, ha
Well, in my opinion, spawning to straw and getting 1-2 nice flushes is easier than tending a bunch of tiny cakes for months on end. It's faster, easier IMO, AND you get more shrooms, what's not to like? Straw is easy to find, get a few good flushes, and then take your time going on to better things.
Rahz
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Abrainspot
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Re: Growing Suggestions [Re: Rahz]
#5271895 - 02/06/06 11:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Do you mean straw and h/poo, or just straight wbs spawned to straw.
I search for some teks
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Rahz
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Re: Growing Suggestions [Re: Abrainspot]
#5271940 - 02/06/06 11:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Straight straw will work, that's what I was suggesting. Do a search for "straw log". If you have the desire to find a source of hpoo, or are willing to pay (sponsors sell pre-pasturized hpoo), that would be even better, though h-poo grows generally use casing layers. I haven't read about "poo logs"... makes sense though 
Rahz
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Drone
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Re: Growing Suggestions [Re: Rahz]
#5272120 - 02/07/06 12:54 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I just moved into my own place too. Do what im doing, go big. Your friends will eat more than you think 
Make a glove box, Buy a PC.
LC --> WBS quart jars --> Double Tub
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agar
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Re: Growing Suggestions [Re: Drone]
#5272158 - 02/07/06 01:14 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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LC --> WBS quart jars-or bags->h/poo-or compost-->cased 50/50 in trays->Double Tub
 Or, upright dead fridge or freezer. 
  
 
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Re: Growing Suggestions [Re: Premedman1]
#5272326 - 02/07/06 04:58 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Premedman1 said: Seed cakes?

I've done them before. They don't hold as much moisture as BRF cakes, but they work pretty good. You do need a PC for this.
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