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Lets do a small review class! *Pic update 2/8/6*
    #5270401 - 02/06/06 05:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Todays lesson is how not to be a dumbass 101.

First thing is first: AVOID WHITE CONTAINERS.  Go as dark as possible.

Second: If you have white containers DUCT TAPE SIDES, see above for why

Third: Use aluminum foil in your tubs before putting your spawn and poo in them.

So, what brings on this little lesson you might ask, why do i need to do these things?  Simple, one answer, SIDE PINNING.  To me this is the most ANNOYING, and easily AVOIDED, nusiances of cultivation.  Lets take a look at my most recent grow.

Strain: Texas
Substrate: WBS spawned to 5 LBS TN stud Poo
Container: 12 QT dishtub a la agar
FC: 64 qt sterilite, 8-10 1/4 inch holes with polyfill, handfanned 4-6 times a day
Dumbass: Coda






So today i was checking out the nice little pinset i had starting (see bottom pic).  You really cant see clearly how many pins i have going but there's a shit ton on the surface, so far i was pretty happy with what was going on top.  It was moving a bit slowly, but i paid no mind to that.

Today i was fanning out the chamber and i looked down to see how many knots have turned to primordia/pins and noticed on one of the sides that a fat pin had popped up.  Curious i pulled the side away from the substrate some more and was shocked to see how many pins had formed on the side.  So now, pissed off at myself for forgetting to block off the sides, i pulled the casing out of the container and have it sitting as a giant "cake" right now.  Keeping the RH as close to 95 as i can.

To me thats a huge fuck up and overlook, if i had the foresight (and 1/2 a brain) i would have remembered to block the light off, oh yah forgot to mention my famous last words.

"Oh shit, no alum foil, ah well i can get away with it this time"

:sigh: oh well, hopefully this bad boy will sprout well from the top and the sides.  This is just a reminder out there to you all you noobs that even experienced heads fuck up.  I guess im gonna have to start doing all this shit sober now heheh, no more bong hits during my spawn runs :laugh:

Ah well, class dismissed unless there is any questions :smile:

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Well, i was asked to take some more pics so i snapped some while i had a chance.  Hopefully ill have time to take pics during the harvest as well.








There ya go, texas sure puts out some small ass fruits.


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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: coda]
    #5270421 - 02/06/06 05:26 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You've got some serious pin-age on the sides there. By fruiting as one big ass cake you got more fruiting surface area.

I'd be happy with that even if it's a little bit of an in convenience.


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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: coda]
    #5270427 - 02/06/06 05:27 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

But those are some awesome pics...


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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: musher_420]
    #5270436 - 02/06/06 05:28 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, you can find the silver lining that way.  However i just DESTROYED the microclimate i was looking to achieve.  By removing it from the container i now have uncased exposed surface area.  This in turn requires a higher humidity and opens me up slightly more to contams.

It's also a pain in the ass that i have this giant ass cake to deal with.  I guess im just anal, i like things to go as they go in my head :smile:


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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: coda]
    #5270444 - 02/06/06 05:30 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Can you post a picture of that when its done


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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: Dr_Mcgillicuddy]
    #5270456 - 02/06/06 05:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

of the casing? sure.


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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: musher_420]
    #5270478 - 02/06/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe a little OT but, I noticed that my cases shrink more and more during the flushes, I know that they do, but mine seem to shrink like 5-15% and then the side pins come, I find it hard to keep the sides in contact the container/foil, to help against side pins.

Are there reasons for 'excessive shrinkage' that will leads to side pins?


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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5270492 - 02/06/06 05:38 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well actually... Agar has suggested that you LINE the INSIDE or your tray with tin foil and it will like STICK to the casing as it shrinks preventing any light from getting in on later flushes.


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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5270494 - 02/06/06 05:38 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

as the mycellium colonizes the substrate it shrinks it due to it absorbing the moisture and some of material. If you line the trays of your casings right the myc should grab onto the alum foil and pull it along with it.


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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: coda]
    #5270508 - 02/06/06 05:41 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Here's the the link to original thread
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5154062#Post5154062

I know...I'm the best...LOL!

But seriously it's a it's a great idea by agar and it should get around..seeing as I had this problem for a while.


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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: coda]
    #5270598 - 02/06/06 05:55 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

The myc doesn't metabolize the aluminum foil?? I thought that this was the argument to not use disposable aluminum trays for casings.


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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: mky]
    #5270606 - 02/06/06 05:56 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

nah, you'll be ok, no worries.


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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: musher_420]
    #5270618 - 02/06/06 05:58 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Those are some pretty decent pinsets, even if they are on the side. Oh well, live and learn. Or live and re-learn. Whatever, you're still going to get an assload of mushies off of that.

Definitely a good lesson to remember though


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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: coda]
    #5270621 - 02/06/06 05:58 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)


Black opaque bus boy trays - need no lining.


Opaque Glad Oven Ware trays need no lining.



If you use any that are not OPAQUE (like those below)
Simply line with tin/foil.
Use another tray to mold it to shape, pressing down on the T/F.
Colonized sub will stick to T/F.
As sub shrinks, will pull T/F along with it.



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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: agar]
    #5270633 - 02/06/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

yah yah yah :P :wink:


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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: coda]
    #5270638 - 02/06/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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If you line the trays of your casings right the myc should grab onto the alum foil and pull it along with it.




AH, 'right' I think is the key word...lol...it does pull it but not after flushes...

I have notice and heard about the myc metabolize the aluminum foil, but I have not heard conclusively that there is an immediate harm....


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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5270681 - 02/06/06 06:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

>>>>>>I have notice and heard about the myc metabolize the aluminum foil, but I have not heard conclusively that there is an immediate harm.... <<<<<<

If you feel that A/foil is a risk.
Line with A/foil.
Then line again with plastic wrap.
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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5270698 - 02/06/06 06:14 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Mushrooms growing in ditches absorb pollutants from vehicles, so I certainly wouldn't want my substrates sitting in a product like aluminum foil for this very reason.

In later flushes, I pack dry verm into the crevices formed where the substrate pulls away from the fruiting container. This discourages side pinning (dry verm=no pins) and absorbs a minimal amount of moisture, as not to take a noticeable amount of moisture from the substrate. Combined with a good bulk dunk, this works very well.


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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: agar]
    #5272666 - 02/07/06 09:16 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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agar said:
Simply line with tin/foil.
Use another tray to mold it to shape, pressing down on the T/F.
Colonized sub will stick to T/F.
As sub shrinks, will pull T/F along with it.






Yep, good solution.

Even if the foil doesn't stick to the sub, you can just push it in tight with your finger. Or maybe dump some casing in the gap?

When they stop selling food/drink in aluminum and forbid cookware made of this metal then I will worry about poisoning. I bet I do worse things for my body then eating a few shrooms with trace amounts of an inert metal in them.

Here's a small tip for lining trays:
Set the tray upside down. Line the outside. Take off the foil and put it inside. Its just easier.


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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: coda]
    #5272698 - 02/07/06 09:27 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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:sigh: oh well, hopefully this bad boy will sprout well from the top and the sides.  This is just a reminder out there to you all you noobs that even experienced heads fuck up.  I guess im gonna have to start doing all this shit sober now heheh, no more bong hits during my spawn runs :laugh:





Ive just done exactly the same thing, trying to do one GIANT casing in the bottom of a big clear tub. I covered the bottom as best as possible, but got a little lazy and voila, pinned like shit on the sides.

Being lazy (realistically, 'bonging on') and mycology doesnt tmix - today I came home to find that the summer temps here at the moment combined with the experimental huge monotub im trying (only half heartedly though - :bongload:) has given me in the course of just one day a nice big cake of cobweb mould to deal with.

Back to the drawing board.... :nonono:


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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: _OttO_]
    #5272784 - 02/07/06 10:00 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

ouch, mist that shit with some h202 man, you can still save it. Cobweb is probably the easiest contam to deal with.


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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: coda]
    #5272946 - 02/07/06 11:07 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

what percent of h202? just mix it with water?


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    #5273245 - 02/07/06 12:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

About a capful H2O2 per 20 fluid ounces of water seems to be the norm.


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    #5273326 - 02/07/06 12:43 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

yah, i use a misty mate sprayer and i throw about 1/2 a capful of h202 in there and shake it up after i add the water.

When soaking stuff in h202 a good ratio is about 1/4 cup of h202 to a gallon of water.


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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: agar]
    #5273362 - 02/07/06 12:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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If you feel that A/foil is a risk.
Line with A/foil.
Then line again with plastic wrap.
:grin:




Will mycelium adhere just as well to plastic wrap as to foil?


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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: Holydiver]
    #5273815 - 02/07/06 02:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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In later flushes, I pack dry verm into the crevices formed where the substrate pulls away from the fruiting container.  This discourages side pinning (dry verm=no pins) and absorbs a minimal amount of moisture, as not to take a noticeable amount of moisture from the substrate.  Combined with a good bulk dunk, this works very well.




That's a great idea, I'll give that a go  :thumbup:


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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: coda]
    #5274105 - 02/07/06 04:40 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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ouch, mist that shit with some h202 man, you can still save it.  Cobweb is probably the easiest contam to deal with.




A small mist with H202 and a drop in temp seems to have saved it - but things are definately not looking the BEST, and the whole bulk tub has taken SO much longer than if I just used individual trays to begin with - and it doesnt look like the harvest will be much better either.

The beautiful thing is you live and learn - going to stick with the easy to manage and fast to colonise black casing trays next time -



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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: _OttO_]
    #5280105 - 02/08/06 11:53 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

update :wink:


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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: coda]
    #5280983 - 02/09/06 09:06 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

i harvested the side from the first picture in the update. These suckers grow together like concrete, ive never had this much of a problem harvesting mushies. Its like the stems fused together lol, these are also the first batch ive had where they've blued this quickly. I know it doesnt mean shit, but still, its pretty neat to see the stems go almost instantly black after you cut the cap off.

Dont have a wet weight but i figured it to be around 120-150 grams give or take. Still have a lot left on that casing which should be ready in a day or two.


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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: coda]
    #5281581 - 02/09/06 12:22 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Not a bad looking cake you made yourself.

Something I've always found interesting about side pinning. Why is it that when a casing pins from the sides ALMOST ALL the pins end up at the sides. I mean.. just because there are pins on the sides, why does it alway lack on top?


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Re: Lets do a small review class! *Pic update 2/8/6* [Re: coda]
    #5281637 - 02/09/06 12:37 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I'm just so damn lazy. never cover or block em off from the light (like I said lazy). My problem is I never find the extra shrooms a problem
I had a little energy and put foil on the outside of these

I use to cover in foil (silly me extra work) That's about as much work as I'm gonna put into this. The whole reason I came up with the PMP and Martha is there automated and do the work for ya. Like I said I'm lazy.  :tongue: :cool: :wink: :grin:


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Re: Lets do a small review class! *Pic update 2/8/6* [Re: Magash]
    #5283881 - 02/09/06 10:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I harvested almost the entire casing tonight.  Snapped a few more pics, there's a bunch of small ones i want to give one more night before i pick everything off and clean off the aborts.  Well, that and the fact that i filled every rack in my dehydrator :wink:






The way these shrooms grew made them a bitch to harvest.  Even using scissors i still took out big chunks of substrate.  This grow definitely turned out better then i thought it was going to, im wondering what the second flush is gonna look like.


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Re: Lets do a small review class! *Pic update 2/8/6* [Re: coda]
    #5283896 - 02/09/06 10:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

That is not a bad yield at all, especially for that not being your original growing intentions. You know you're a kickass cultivator when even your fuckups are successes.


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Re: Lets do a small review class! *Pic update 2/8/6* [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
    #5283907 - 02/09/06 10:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

thanks man, i forgot to mention that i already dried 2 racks previously :laugh:  Can't wait to try em out :wink:


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