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coda
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Lets do a small review class! *Pic update 2/8/6*
#5270401 - 02/06/06 05:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Todays lesson is how not to be a dumbass 101.
First thing is first: AVOID WHITE CONTAINERS. Go as dark as possible.
Second: If you have white containers DUCT TAPE SIDES, see above for why
Third: Use aluminum foil in your tubs before putting your spawn and poo in them.
So, what brings on this little lesson you might ask, why do i need to do these things? Simple, one answer, SIDE PINNING. To me this is the most ANNOYING, and easily AVOIDED, nusiances of cultivation. Lets take a look at my most recent grow.
Strain: Texas Substrate: WBS spawned to 5 LBS TN stud Poo Container: 12 QT dishtub a la agar FC: 64 qt sterilite, 8-10 1/4 inch holes with polyfill, handfanned 4-6 times a day Dumbass: Coda




So today i was checking out the nice little pinset i had starting (see bottom pic). You really cant see clearly how many pins i have going but there's a shit ton on the surface, so far i was pretty happy with what was going on top. It was moving a bit slowly, but i paid no mind to that.
Today i was fanning out the chamber and i looked down to see how many knots have turned to primordia/pins and noticed on one of the sides that a fat pin had popped up. Curious i pulled the side away from the substrate some more and was shocked to see how many pins had formed on the side. So now, pissed off at myself for forgetting to block off the sides, i pulled the casing out of the container and have it sitting as a giant "cake" right now. Keeping the RH as close to 95 as i can.
To me thats a huge fuck up and overlook, if i had the foresight (and 1/2 a brain) i would have remembered to block the light off, oh yah forgot to mention my famous last words.
"Oh shit, no alum foil, ah well i can get away with it this time"
:sigh: oh well, hopefully this bad boy will sprout well from the top and the sides. This is just a reminder out there to you all you noobs that even experienced heads fuck up. I guess im gonna have to start doing all this shit sober now heheh, no more bong hits during my spawn runs 
Ah well, class dismissed unless there is any questions 
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Well, i was asked to take some more pics so i snapped some while i had a chance. Hopefully ill have time to take pics during the harvest as well.






There ya go, texas sure puts out some small ass fruits.
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Edited by coda (02/08/06 11:52 PM)
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musher_420
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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: coda]
#5270421 - 02/06/06 05:26 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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You've got some serious pin-age on the sides there. By fruiting as one big ass cake you got more fruiting surface area.
I'd be happy with that even if it's a little bit of an in convenience.
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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: coda]
#5270427 - 02/06/06 05:27 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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But those are some awesome pics...
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coda
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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: musher_420]
#5270436 - 02/06/06 05:28 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes, you can find the silver lining that way. However i just DESTROYED the microclimate i was looking to achieve. By removing it from the container i now have uncased exposed surface area. This in turn requires a higher humidity and opens me up slightly more to contams.
It's also a pain in the ass that i have this giant ass cake to deal with. I guess im just anal, i like things to go as they go in my head
-------------------- To get really high is to forget yourself. And to forget yourself is to see everything else. And to see everything else is to become an understanding molecule in evolution, a conscious tool of the universe. And I think every human being should be a conscious tool of the universe. . . . -JG i really am glad you came back to us instead of taking the other path. *hug* -A_S (RIP your final words to me will never be forgotten)
 Don't fuck with the laughing jesus.
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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: coda]
#5270444 - 02/06/06 05:30 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Can you post a picture of that when its done
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coda
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of the casing? sure.
-------------------- To get really high is to forget yourself. And to forget yourself is to see everything else. And to see everything else is to become an understanding molecule in evolution, a conscious tool of the universe. And I think every human being should be a conscious tool of the universe. . . . -JG i really am glad you came back to us instead of taking the other path. *hug* -A_S (RIP your final words to me will never be forgotten)
 Don't fuck with the laughing jesus.
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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: musher_420]
#5270478 - 02/06/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Maybe a little OT but, I noticed that my cases shrink more and more during the flushes, I know that they do, but mine seem to shrink like 5-15% and then the side pins come, I find it hard to keep the sides in contact the container/foil, to help against side pins.
Are there reasons for 'excessive shrinkage' that will leads to side pins?
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musher_420
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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: Snaggletooth]
#5270492 - 02/06/06 05:38 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well actually... Agar has suggested that you LINE the INSIDE or your tray with tin foil and it will like STICK to the casing as it shrinks preventing any light from getting in on later flushes.
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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: Snaggletooth]
#5270494 - 02/06/06 05:38 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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as the mycellium colonizes the substrate it shrinks it due to it absorbing the moisture and some of material. If you line the trays of your casings right the myc should grab onto the alum foil and pull it along with it.
-------------------- To get really high is to forget yourself. And to forget yourself is to see everything else. And to see everything else is to become an understanding molecule in evolution, a conscious tool of the universe. And I think every human being should be a conscious tool of the universe. . . . -JG i really am glad you came back to us instead of taking the other path. *hug* -A_S (RIP your final words to me will never be forgotten)
 Don't fuck with the laughing jesus.
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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: coda]
#5270508 - 02/06/06 05:41 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Here's the the link to original thread http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5154062#Post5154062
I know...I'm the best...LOL!
But seriously it's a it's a great idea by agar and it should get around..seeing as I had this problem for a while.
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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: coda]
#5270598 - 02/06/06 05:55 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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The myc doesn't metabolize the aluminum foil?? I thought that this was the argument to not use disposable aluminum trays for casings.
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coda
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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: mky]
#5270606 - 02/06/06 05:56 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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nah, you'll be ok, no worries.
-------------------- To get really high is to forget yourself. And to forget yourself is to see everything else. And to see everything else is to become an understanding molecule in evolution, a conscious tool of the universe. And I think every human being should be a conscious tool of the universe. . . . -JG i really am glad you came back to us instead of taking the other path. *hug* -A_S (RIP your final words to me will never be forgotten)
 Don't fuck with the laughing jesus.
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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: musher_420]
#5270618 - 02/06/06 05:58 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Those are some pretty decent pinsets, even if they are on the side. Oh well, live and learn. Or live and re-learn. Whatever, you're still going to get an assload of mushies off of that.
Definitely a good lesson to remember though
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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: coda]
#5270621 - 02/06/06 05:58 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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 Black opaque bus boy trays - need no lining.
 Opaque Glad Oven Ware trays need no lining.
  If you use any that are not OPAQUE (like those below) Simply line with tin/foil. Use another tray to mold it to shape, pressing down on the T/F. Colonized sub will stick to T/F. As sub shrinks, will pull T/F along with it.
 
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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: agar]
#5270633 - 02/06/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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yah yah yah :P
-------------------- To get really high is to forget yourself. And to forget yourself is to see everything else. And to see everything else is to become an understanding molecule in evolution, a conscious tool of the universe. And I think every human being should be a conscious tool of the universe. . . . -JG i really am glad you came back to us instead of taking the other path. *hug* -A_S (RIP your final words to me will never be forgotten)
 Don't fuck with the laughing jesus.
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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: coda]
#5270638 - 02/06/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
coda said: If you line the trays of your casings right the myc should grab onto the alum foil and pull it along with it.
AH, 'right' I think is the key word...lol...it does pull it but not after flushes...
I have notice and heard about the myc metabolize the aluminum foil, but I have not heard conclusively that there is an immediate harm....
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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: Snaggletooth]
#5270681 - 02/06/06 06:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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>>>>>>I have notice and heard about the myc metabolize the aluminum foil, but I have not heard conclusively that there is an immediate harm.... <<<<<<
If you feel that A/foil is a risk. Line with A/foil. Then line again with plastic wrap.
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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: Snaggletooth]
#5270698 - 02/06/06 06:14 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mushrooms growing in ditches absorb pollutants from vehicles, so I certainly wouldn't want my substrates sitting in a product like aluminum foil for this very reason.
In later flushes, I pack dry verm into the crevices formed where the substrate pulls away from the fruiting container. This discourages side pinning (dry verm=no pins) and absorbs a minimal amount of moisture, as not to take a noticeable amount of moisture from the substrate. Combined with a good bulk dunk, this works very well.
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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: agar]
#5272666 - 02/07/06 09:16 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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agar said: Simply line with tin/foil. Use another tray to mold it to shape, pressing down on the T/F. Colonized sub will stick to T/F. As sub shrinks, will pull T/F along with it.
Yep, good solution.
Even if the foil doesn't stick to the sub, you can just push it in tight with your finger. Or maybe dump some casing in the gap?
When they stop selling food/drink in aluminum and forbid cookware made of this metal then I will worry about poisoning. I bet I do worse things for my body then eating a few shrooms with trace amounts of an inert metal in them.
Here's a small tip for lining trays: Set the tray upside down. Line the outside. Take off the foil and put it inside. Its just easier.
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Re: Lets do a small review class! [Re: coda]
#5272698 - 02/07/06 09:27 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
coda said:
:sigh: oh well, hopefully this bad boy will sprout well from the top and the sides. This is just a reminder out there to you all you noobs that even experienced heads fuck up. I guess im gonna have to start doing all this shit sober now heheh, no more bong hits during my spawn runs 
Ive just done exactly the same thing, trying to do one GIANT casing in the bottom of a big clear tub. I covered the bottom as best as possible, but got a little lazy and voila, pinned like shit on the sides.
Being lazy (realistically, 'bonging on') and mycology doesnt tmix - today I came home to find that the summer temps here at the moment combined with the experimental huge monotub im trying (only half heartedly though - ) has given me in the course of just one day a nice big cake of cobweb mould to deal with.
Back to the drawing board....
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