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Homemade Vodka Wiccanstyle **UPDATED -- Now with Absinthe recipy**
#5269760 - 02/06/06 02:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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As my first serious contribution to this forum let me tell you about homemade Vodka Wiccanstyle! First, you need a "stilling wine" (called "wash" in the US) and I decided to make one using supermarket ingredients:
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2 liter capacity Cola bottle 1 liter water 250gr sugar 5ml liquid 575 plantfood
It took two runs to "do" the 6 bottles and I chose to distill off 1.5 liters of first-run vodka, which proved to be 42% (84 proof) and which took about 3 hours total.
I'm sitting here sipping my homemade Vodka. For a one run potstill-like thing it turned out rather well. It has a full alcoholic flavor and an undertone of yeast.
Turning 1.5kg sugar into two bottles of Vodka... Not bad!
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Re: Homemade Vodka Wiccanstyle ^_^ [Re: Asante]
#5269980 - 02/06/06 03:43 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I thought vodka had to be distilled from some sort of grain. IE Wheat, Rye, Barley.
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Re: Homemade Vodka Wiccanstyle ^_^ [Re: daussaulit]
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Depends on your definition, but technically you're right and I should've called it "neutral spirits".
It drinks like a grain vodka though, the usual vodkas (like smirnoff) are triple-distilled and lose alot of the grain-specific flavor.
LOL I'm a bit w00zy
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Re: Homemade Vodka Wiccanstyle ^_^ [Re: Asante]
#5274257 - 02/07/06 05:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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will you be more exact in how to assemble this oliver still and how it works? i'm definitely going to try this soon.
also- what kind of tray did you put the two liter bottles into?
and what is liquid plantfood? i've never heard of it.
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Re: Homemade Vodka Wiccanstyle ^_^ [Re: daussaulit]
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#5275120 - 02/07/06 08:45 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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You should be able to use that setup to make real distilled absinthe.
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Re: Homemade Vodka Wiccanstyle **UPDATED** [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#5276419 - 02/08/06 07:20 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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You should be able to use that setup to make real distilled absinthe.
Ab-so-fucking-lutely 
Today I decided to subject one liter of my palatable 40% vodka to a second distillation step. I ran the liter for 30min reflux.
LO AND BEHOLD 
I took the collection vessel out of the kettle and poured the distillate into a glass jug. Doing this I spilled a bit of the hot liquid. It stripped the varnish right off my woodwork  A drop, when lit, burned readily.
I collected about 0.33 liter of spirits, which I measured at room temperature and which turned out to be 80% ABV = 160 proof !!!
If I had subjected the entire batch I would've gotten:
1.5kg sugar in 6 liter --ferment 12 days--> --distill 2:30h--> 1.5 liter alcohol 40% --distill 0.45h--> 0.5 liter alcohol 80% Which means a yield of 44.4% total alcohol or 1.5kg sugar --> 0.5ltr alcohol 80%
The watery soup left in the kettle made it, by odor and taste, abundantly clear that I did well to distill it a second time as a LOT of fusels (mouse odor and sickly sweet flavor) were left behind.
The alcohol 80% was undrinkable, not because of fusels but because a sip bit my mouth as hard as it did the varnish  When I diluted some with water to yield 40% (vodka strength) it tasted very clear and pure, like a higher grade commercial vodka and I now recognise it to be *much* better as the initial distillation run.
NOTE: if I had steeped Absinthe herbs into the 40% alcohol of the first run and after a day or so had distilled that I would definately have a good quality absinthe!
I'll probably try a simple traditional Absinthe recipy to see how it works, but success is almost guaranteed.
You can still an Absinthe from scratch without a designated still!!
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will you be more exact in how to assemble this olliver still and how it works?
Ok, the Olliver Still aka Wok Still is an extrordinarily simple apparatus.
You take a big cooking pot, a small one that fits in it, and a wok. You assemble them like so:
1..Put the big cooking pot on the stove. 2..Make a pedestal (for instance from drinking glasses) and put the small cooking pot on top of it in the center of the big cooking pot. 3..Pour the liquid which you want to distill into the big cooking pot. 4..Put a wok or glass bowl onj top of the big cooking pot and fill it with icecold water and metal objects (to absorb heat) 5..Put on the stove on a low fire
What will happen is that concentrated alcohol vapour will condense against the cooler bottom of the wok, trickle down the bottom to the center and drop into the small cooking pot.
If you distill 1/4 volume from the stilling-wine I discribed in my first post you will get roughly 40%, and if you distill 1/3 off of that you will end up with about 80% if you get the hang of it.
If you use the 40% to steep Absinthe herbs into, it will turn into Absinthe if you do the second run on it. If you use other herbs, it'll become another highly potent liquor.
It is as simple as that.
I have added Vitamin B complex tabs to my next experimental run (same recipy but with 100% RDA of B vitamins per 2 litres added) and this ferments much more eagerly, as you're providing coenzymes used in the yeast's sugar metabolism.
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and what is liquid plantfood? i've never heard of it.

The stuff you use to fert houseplants. Every garden center has them, use an universal or "green leaf" kind as concentrated as you can get it and make sure it has trace minerals!
Yeast is basically a plant after all!
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Re: Homemade Vodka Wiccanstyle ^_^ [Re: Asante]
#5276680 - 02/08/06 09:31 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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1.5kg of sugar in 6l will give 14.7% the first 1.5 should be about 48%
1.5 @ 40% should have been 500ml @ 76-77% if it was 48% like I said it would have been closer to 80%.
How are you measureing this. with an alcoholometer temperature is critical
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Re: Homemade Vodka Wiccanstyle ^_^ [Re: blackout]
#5276746 - 02/08/06 10:02 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm taking a precise amount (100ml) at room temperature and weigh it with scales of 0.1gr precision so I can get a d 0.xxx density measurement which I then look up in a water-alcohol table.
The volume measurement is more precise than 1ml/100ml so these figurea are pretty accurate. My second stilling was d 0.844 which is a wee bit under 80%
BTW I use 1.5kg added to 6 ltr of water so the final % will likely be less. I dipped my finger in the wash and it was potent and I tasted no sugar discernible from the sickly taste of the fusels. I took a 1/4 draft on my first run and a 1/3 draft on my second distilling.
But the stilling figures you mentioned.. Are they fixed, regardless of still? Is there a formula or FAQ for it?
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Re: Homemade Vodka Wiccanstyle ^_^ [Re: Asante]
#5277014 - 02/08/06 11:15 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Yeast is basically a plant after all!

yeast is a unicellular fungus.
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Re: Homemade Vodka Wiccanstyle ^_^ [Re: eric_the_red]
#5277612 - 02/08/06 01:26 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Homemade Vodka Wiccanstyle ^_^ [Re: Asante]
#5284819 - 02/10/06 07:31 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Another update: I took some of my Alcohol 80% and added the equivalent of 5ml/liter of glycerin as a smoothening agent, which really was unnecessary but proved a great finishing touch.
I then took 50ml thereof and diluted it with 50ml water, producing a "vodka" of 40%. I took this to a panel of three testers. The three of them agreed that the alcohol was tasty and had no excess sharpness or off-aroma to speak of. My father added that people would not be able to single it out as moonshine in a blind test of vodkas ^_^
My father gave me some homework: two liters of german white wine he found too sweet to drink, and if I'd like to have a go of stilling something tasty from it 
Using a wok-still is as easy as cooking but more fun as what you're "cooking" will last you a long time!
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Re: Homemade Vodka Wiccanstyle ^_^ [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:But the stilling figures you mentioned.. Are they fixed, regardless of still? Is there a formula or FAQ for it?
http://www.homedistiller.org/pot_calc.htm
that is under theory-interactive design calculations It is very good, it was tested empirically.
Some recommend treating the alcohol with baking soda between distillations. It absorbs off tastes and is said to convert some bad stuff to good.
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Re: Homemade Vodka Wiccanstyle ^_^ [Re: Asante]
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Re: Homemade Vodka Wiccanstyle ^_^ [Re: sever]
#5297969 - 02/14/06 02:41 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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sever said: Do you know any websites that provide more detailed information on this specific procedure? (Everything I have found uses more ingredients.)
www.homedistiller.org
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sever said: What is the chance that this will produce methanol? Ive heard methanol can make you go blind.
A sugar wash has bare trace amounts of methanol in it. A glass of normal unfermented apple juice contains 100's of times more methanol than sugar alcohol. You should toss away the first bit of a large volume distillate. It only matters when distilling massive amounts of grain/fruit alcohol. the first bits will be high in methanol since it comes off first and will be a large amount if the initial wash is large.
All your other questions would be answered at www.homedistiller.org the website is absolutely massive it has a good layout and search function.
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Re: Homemade Vodka Wiccanstyle ^_^ [Re: sever]
#5298048 - 02/14/06 04:23 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I agree with Blackout: homedistiller.org = k3y!
As for methanol: methanol is formed from fruit pectins, and there are none present in sugar wash. On top of that, there is a maximum allowed intake of methanol of 600mg a day (12 drops) which nobody can ingest by drinking distilled spirits from grain, potatoes or fruits, and even if you could, drinking-alcohol is an antidote for methanol poisoning so you'd not nearly sustain the injury you would if you drank it neat. Methanol is ONLY a danger if you distill from unnatural sources (wood alcohol) or, which in essence is the origin: if you use denatured alcohol instead of fermenting your own.
Don't worry about toxicity: drinking distillate is *cleaner* than drinking brew like beer because you don't add chemicals, but rather leave so many behind in the residue. These are the "fusels" that cause off-aroma, harsh flavors and hangovers.
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You used 7 grams of yeast over 6 bottles, so if I want to start with just one bottle, it would be more like one gram?
Well that could be OK. Be reminded that I use a large excess of yeast, usually it's more like a quarter of that amount. If you however do not disturb the bottles after inoculation they won't foam, and if you distil properly the fusels go away - so you get away with using say a gr/liter of dried yeast and effectively decrease fermenting time.
But you REALLY should look into Turbo Yeast, it requires nothing but sugar and water on your part and it can produce your alcohol in 1-2 days, effectively eliminating the risk of contams.
What do you mean by tray? anything that will keep accidental foaming from spilling over onto the floor.
Do you seal the bottles during the fermentation process? Never EVER seal the bottles. Common sense dictates that if you close the cokebottles and the pressure builds, they will become the room-temperature equivalent of dry ice bombs. Nothing too dangerous but it may push out a window if it stands too close to it. To make sure this doesnt happen, use a piece of aluminium foil as the bottle cover, not a loose cap.
Can I use 10-15-10 plant food, and should I adjust the volume used? If your plantfood is liquid, you can use 2/3 of the amounts in the recipy if you make sure your fert is suitable for hydroponic growing of food plants The web usually has this information, or you can mail the manufacturer and ask "is it ok to use your fertilizer on my tomatoes?" If the answer is yes you're in the clear. Don't use "hydroponic" or they might suspect you grow weed. All hydroponic ferts are good so if you can get one, use that.
When using the Wok sill, how much heat (low medium high?)
Using medium heat until it boils, then going to low heat gives best results.
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"Today I decided to subject one liter of my palatable 40% vodka to a second distillation step. I ran the liter for 30min reflux." To do this second distillation, is it the exact same procedure as the first distill step? What does reflux mean?
Exact same procedure. I incorrectly use the word reflux because the wokstill basically is a reflux apparatus as found in labs.
During the second distillation, is the liquid flammable? (160 proof obviously is, but cooking the 80 proof obtained from the first distill makes me a bit nervous)
Yup, and the fumes are highly flammable too. Use common sense ^_^ 80 proof liquid however is not flammable and if you want to make and store a LOT of alcohol storing it as 80 proof effectively eliminates firehazard. You wanbt to store some 80 proof once-distilled anyway, because you can use it to steep herbs in, which will turn to hard liquor the second time you distill it.
With 2 liter cokebottles you can get away with putting 1.5 liter in and you can put 3 liters in a one-gallon milk jug. Water cooler bottles make excellent fermentation vats!
If your wokstill has virtually no leakage there is nothing to worry about. If you are unsure you can make a rubber ring (for instance from a bicycle inner tube. To make a seal, but this usually is unnecessary. If it does catch fire and you use a common stovbe setup on low heat it will simply burn with a flame which you can put out with a plant mister. But really, this does not happen if you do it even a bit right.
Never open the apparatus while there is open fire
But really, it's all common sense. If you think every step through the first times you do it it will become as casual as cooking.
Remember: even if your setup should catch fire (which it wont) there is no reason for panic. It won't explode, just be a calm big flame which you can extinguish with a plant mister or a wet towel. It's panic that causes accidents. You fry in vegetable oil and animal fat every day, they are as combustible as diesel, and you never give it much thought. (hold a lighter flame to a potato chip: you'll never think of "calorie" in the same way! Potato chips are an excellent tinder to get a campfire going)
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This sounds nifty. Im going to give it a try.
3 liter sugarwash --1:15h still--> 0.75 liter 80 proof --0:25h still--> 0.25 liter 160 proof or 0.75 kg sugar --1:40 stilling--> 0.25 liter 160 proof
That *is* rather nifty, no?
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I had no idea it could be this easy. After this Im going to give homebrewing a shot.
Google is your friend ^_^ Homedistiller.org is your friend too, it has almost all information you need. Hey, welcome to the hobby!
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Re: Homemade Vodka Wiccanstyle ^_^ [Re: Asante]
#5298049 - 02/14/06 04:25 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Good afternoon, today we'll be making a psychoactive Absinthe. First off there are three kinds of Absinthe: Macerated, distilled and composed.
Macerated Absinthe consists of herbs steeped in alcohol. The downside to this is that wormwood contains unessential compounds that are bitter as bile, often making the resulting drink unpalatable.
Then there is distilled absinthe. This is where it is at. The herbs are steeped in diluted alcohol for a day, and this is then distilled together to yield "classical" absinthe, the one of the finest flavour.
Then finally there is composed Absinthe. Composed Absinthe is made by adding (hopefully high grade) essential oils to alcohol of 60+ percent (over 120 proof) in the manner customary in perfumery and the modern liqueur industry. This can produce an Absinthe that is as fine as the oils are, but are generally considered to be "lesser" than classical Absinthe because of the method of preparation. Most Absinthes that were drunk ion the late 1800s, early 1900s were of this variety.
Today we'll be making a composed Absinthe.
I came up with this recipy by studying "classical" Absinthe recipies, extrapolation to essential oils and comparing this with recipies for commercial composed Absinthe from the times of old.
The thujone content is approximately 150mg/liter which corresponds with the very most potent modern-day commercial Absinthes. ACHTUNG: your liver may go offline if you use this to excess. This is something to be drank incidentally and in moderation. It is ten times higher in thujone than most commercial Absinthes that are considered good, and contains wormwood oil to the point of showing the faint authentic green color of the Green Goddess. No commercial absinthe will show the authentic wormwood green nowadays.
I've studied thujone and found it to be mainly a local irritant and a convulsive poison, the latter not unlike Strychnine. I feel, but this is an opinion, that 150mg/liter thujone can very probably be drank in moderation without health effects worse than let's say drinking twice the amount of alcohol. There are, however, no guarantees and some people may be more sensitive than most.
Good quality costs money. This is especially true for essential oils. Often they are low grade, or even diluted (called essences) or replaced by chemicals with an (often remotely) similar aroma. You should expect to pay a lot of money for good oils, for the ones I mentioned expect something like $1/ml or more. Again, make sure you are getting the genuine article.
As for the alcohol: you can brew and distill your own like I did or you can use Everclear 95%/190 proof grain alcohol, diluting it down to 80% with distilled water.
As for the psychoactivity of Absinthe, it is mild and differs from that of mere alcohol. If you drink it there is an inner stillness, colors appear brighter and depth perception is enhanced. It can be roughly compared to a drink with a small amount of cannabis. If you take too much you get more *drunk* and the specific character of the Absinthe suffers greatly.
This said, time to get to the recipy:
Absinthe Porte de la Caravane
Aniseed oil.......................4 drops Wormwood oil......................4 drops Sage oil (Dalmatian)..............2 drops Peppermint oil....................2 drops Tarragon oil......................2 drops Glycerine.........................5 ml Alcohol 80%.......................1 liter
Do not drink Porte de la Caravane neat. You *never* drink Absinthe neat. And don't set it on fire, you'll spoil the taste and burn off Green Goddess. And don't slam it down, Absinthe is meant to be enjoyed in small sips, savouring the aroma. At first it might repel, but as the aroma takes your mouth and the Absinthe takes your mind it becomes evermore enjoyable. Remember that it in its diluted state still is a 16% abv (32 proof) beverage!
You can best serve yourself a drink consisting of 15ml of Absinthe diluted with 60ml icecold water (if you are using a lump of sugar) or 60ml of a 5% sugar solution from the fridge.
The correct way to prepare Absinthe (if you lack an Absinthe spoon and fountain) is like so:
--Pour the measured quantity of Absinthe in a glass. --Hold a small fork over it, on which you have placed a lump of sugar. --Slowly trickle four volumes of icecold water over the lump of sugar into your glass. --Stir the remaining sugar into the diluted Absinthe with the fork. --Drink the liqueur slowly with conversation and laid-back enjoyment, best enjoyed on a calm evening after a warm summer's day and a good meal.
Absinthe is a drink conductive for relaxing and making yourself comfortable, for laid-back conversation with long pauses between profound exchanges. It's for calm enjoyment of stillness. If you're having a wild party or hectic interaction, don't drink it. If you're in a foul mood, prepare for melancholia. A mental picture that fits Absinthe rather well is chillin' with your favorite grandparent on the veranda after a long hot day.
This Absinthe barely louches at all, but as a contrast it has an uniquely mild flavor and aroma, as well as packing the punch of a strong Absinthe.
Use it in moderation!
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Re: Homemade Vodka Wiccanstyle ^_^ [Re: Asante]
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Re: Homemade Vodka Wiccanstyle ^_^ [Re: sever]
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I had my soda bottle sealed all night! And it was hard as a rock!
CHRIST ALLMIGHTY 
Please use common sense more often, that could've become a *mess*, someone clearly hasnt been following the instructions to the letter.
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Im not getting much foaming really though... certainly not enough to erupt out of the bottle. Did I mess up by keeping the bottle sealed the first 24 hrs?
It shouldn't foam, but if it slightly fizzes like soda that has been in a glass for quite a while then it is OK. You almost messed up with closing the bottles (think wall-to-wall splatter of yeasty sugarwater throughout the room) but it has at least proven that you are having fermentation, or it wouldn't have evolved gas.
How much sugar did you use in how much water?
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You recommend just purchasing these oils to make Absinthe? In the spirit of the forums here (and of this thread), I wonder if there is a plausible way to start with raw materials.
You could, but then again it would be better if you used the real herbs properly. Hardest ingredient to get would be the Wormwood herb, but it's not beyond a decently stocked herbalist's shop. There also are "absinthe kit" merchants who sell kits containing the right herbs in the right quantities.
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