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Re: 14 worst Corporations [Re: Alex213]
    #5307538 - 02/16/06 03:38 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

the nutrition argument is kinda weak. which do you believe offers better nutrition for malnourished people = normal rice, or rice that contains everything normal rice does, and also elevated levels of vitamin A?

"Monsanto's profit margin"

"paid Monsanto for his vitamin A rice"

"large GM firms making a fortune"

"What percentage of their profits do they give to the hungry?"

you certainly seemed to be more concerned about the fact that someone is making money than anything else.

maybe you missed this:

"GM rice patents given away

The biotechnology giant Monsanto has announced it will give away the patents to a genetically modified rice grain that could help stop blindness and malnourishment.

It says it will provide royalty-free licences to help the development of "golden rice" and other rice varieties with enhanced pro-vitamin A.

The lack of vitamin A is estimated to lead to a million child deaths a year and 300,000 cases of blindness. "


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/865946.stm

"Monsanto Offers Patent Waiver

By Justin Gillis
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, August 4, 2000; Page A01

Monsanto Co. said last night that it would give away certain patent rights to speed use of a genetically modified rice that could save millions of malnourished children in poor countries from dying or going blind.

The company said it would grant patent licenses at no charge to the developers of "golden rice," a variety of genetically modified rice enriched in beta carotene, the building block of Vitamin A. More than a million children weakened by Vitamin A deficiency die every year in poor countries, and at least 300,000 more go blind."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A33142-2000Aug3

pure evil.  :smirk:


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Re: 14 worst Corporations [Re: wilshire]
    #5309231 - 02/16/06 11:39 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

the nutrition argument is kinda weak.

I think the weakness is trying to put forward GM modified rice as a solution to malnutrition.

pure evil

Presumably you've never heard of  a "loss-leader"  :wink:


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Re: 14 worst Corporations [Re: Alex213]
    #5309497 - 02/17/06 04:17 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

How dare they use our superior technology to help needy people and not make a profit from it!

Do liberals only like things like this when it occurs at the barrel of the governments gun?


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Re: 14 worst Corporations [Re: Alex213]
    #5309834 - 02/17/06 09:05 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I think the weakness is trying to put forward GM modified rice as a solution to malnutrition.

i never argued that GM rice was a solution to malnutrition. i did point out that it can be used to help prevent vitamin A deficiency.

would you agree or disagree with the statement that rice with enhanced vitamin A content is more nutritious than rice without enhanced vitamin A content?

do you believe that this rice helps or harms people?

if you believe it is harmful, to whom is it harmful, and in what way?


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Re: 14 worst Corporations [Re: wilshire]
    #5309918 - 02/17/06 09:52 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

do you believe that this rice helps or harms people?


Do you or Monsanto have the remotest idea whether or not GM rice is safe for human consumption? Can you link me to the research proving it's long term safety?

Do you or Monsanto have the remotest idea whether or not GM rice is safe to introduce into the environment? Can you link me to the research proving it's long-term safety?

Read up on the work of the group Social Change and Development in India who have eradicated problems arising from Vitamin A deficiency by returning to a traditional health science called "siddha". Growing papaya, pumpkins and carrots. There's certainly no need to reduce crop diversity by planting GM rice and making villagers dependent on buying Monsanto seed. That would be a step in the wrong direction.


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Re: 14 worst Corporations [Re: MisterMyco]
    #5309961 - 02/17/06 10:08 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

How dare they use our superior technology to help needy people and not make a profit from it!


:grin: :grin:

Monsanto helping the needy for no profit.

:grin:

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Re: 14 worst Corporations [Re: Alex213]
    #5310018 - 02/17/06 10:35 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

who, specifically, is put at risk by this, and what, specifically, are those risks?

Growing papaya, pumpkins and carrots. There's certainly no need to reduce crop diversity by planting GM rice

those silly poor people.... going blind and dying by the hundreds of thousands from lack of vitamin A when they could just get some pumpkins and carrots instead of eating all that rice...


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Re: 14 worst Corporations [Re: wilshire]
    #5312445 - 02/18/06 12:18 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

who, specifically, is put at risk by this, and what, specifically, are those risks?


Er..that's what I'm asking you. Where is the research for the safety of GM rice?

those silly poor people.... going blind and dying by the hundreds of thousands from lack of vitamin A when they could just get some pumpkins and carrots instead of eating all that rice...

Certainly a far healthier and more sustainable method than becoming dependent on paying whatever price Monsanto wish to charge for their seed.


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Re: 14 worst Corporations [Re: Alex213]
    #5313080 - 02/18/06 11:12 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Where is the research for the safety of GM rice?

i would ask you that question, seeing that you're saying it's so dangerous it isn't worth using even if it has the potential save millions of people from blindness and death.

i can't prove a negative. where is the research showing that it is dangerous?


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