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Re: 14 worst Corporations [Re: wilshire]
    #5302732 - 02/15/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

what is wrong with modifying rice to provide vitamin A?

So why not simply give them enough nourishing food and forget about Monsanto's profit margin? Is Vitamin A enriched rice really a serious solution to malnourishment? What if the child is deficient in half a dozen other vitamins too? What if his ribs are still sticking out when you've paid Monsanto for his vitamin A rice? What does he eat then?

Why does the "solution" to this always have to involve large GM firms making a fortune? What other work do these "caring" GM firms do to end malnourishment? What percentage of their profits do they give to the hungry?

How balanced in other nutrients is "Vitamin A enriched rice?" What long term effect does gene-spliced rice have on human beings?


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Re: 14 worst Corporations [Re: Alex213]
    #5302754 - 02/15/06 11:17 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)







Plants created by natural reproduction take over ecosystems all of the time. Take Kudzu, for instance.


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Re: 14 worst Corporations [Re: Redstorm]
    #5302764 - 02/15/06 11:19 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Don't you think that car looks a little clean to have been sat there long enough to be consumed by the triffids?

It looks like it's just gone through the carwash to me.


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Re: 14 worst Corporations [Re: Alex213]
    #5302806 - 02/15/06 11:29 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I think it's an abandoned car. Regardless of what the deal is with the car, Kudzu is one of the worst "weeds" to grow in the United States. The only way you can deal with it is by burning it, since pieces of it cut or broken off will grow into new plants. On a website I read earler, it said a kudzu vine can grow 60 feet in one year.


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Re: 14 worst Corporations [Re: Alex213]
    #5302807 - 02/15/06 11:30 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Don't you think that car looks a little clean to have been sat there long enough to be consumed by the triffids?

It looks like it's just gone through the carwash to me.



That's the point. Kudzu grows like wildfire.


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Re: 14 worst Corporations [Re: Redstorm]
    #5302893 - 02/15/06 12:03 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Your point being what exactly? That because nature sometimes produces weeds we should allow Monsanto to introduce whatever plants they like into the ecosystem?


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Re: 14 worst Corporations [Re: Alex213]
    #5302941 - 02/15/06 12:15 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Your point being what exactly? That because nature sometimes produces weeds we should allow Monsanto to introduce whatever plants they like into the ecosystem?



Actually, he was simply refuting your false confidence in nature to always be safer than genetically engineered products.


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Re: 14 worst Corporations [Re: Alex213]
    #5302985 - 02/15/06 12:24 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I was addressing this:

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No, it's based on the belief that similar species mating over many thousands of years results in a plant capable of existing in harmony with the ecosystem. If it doesn't, it dies out.




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Re: 14 worst Corporations [Re: Redstorm]
    #5303019 - 02/15/06 12:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

That shit does grow like crazy but I wanna say I saw something like a goat or something along those lines loves to eat it. The animal just chomped away.

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Re: 14 worst Corporations [Re: WhiteBunny]
    #5303025 - 02/15/06 12:44 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, goats love that shit.


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Re: 14 worst Corporations [Re: WhiteBunny]
    #5303031 - 02/15/06 12:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I was right it was a goat take a look HERE

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Re: 14 worst Corporations [Re: WhiteBunny]
    #5303303 - 02/15/06 02:05 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

They need to be careful, though. Goats will not only eat the kudzu, but it will also eat pretty much everything else. Feral goats are a big problem in many tropical areas that have fragile ecosystems.


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Re: 14 worst Corporations [Re: Redstorm]
    #5303417 - 02/15/06 02:49 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I was addressing this:


But you didn't address the second point I made that nature tends to balance such things out over the long term. If the plant grows, goats start doing well, predators on goats do well etc.

BTW, you can hardly compare the growth of Kudzu in populated areas with what would happen in nature. Obviously if the wild goat population started increasing they would be rapidly killed by humans.


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Re: 14 worst Corporations [Re: Alex213]
    #5303441 - 02/15/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, I was just giving an example. I wasn't trying to prove you wrong, just to provide an instance where mother nature didn't do so well. I'm wayyyyy out of league when it comes to science, anyways. I haven't taken a real science class since high school. :grin:


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Re: 14 worst Corporations [Re: Alex213]
    #5303447 - 02/15/06 02:56 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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But you didn't address the second point I made that nature tends to balance such things out over the long term. If the plant grows, goats start doing well, predators on goats do well etc.



And the same would occur just as easily with genetically engineered products.


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Re: 14 worst Corporations [Re: Redstorm]
    #5303468 - 02/15/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

just to provide an instance where mother nature didn't do so well.

Sure, I get your point. And perhaps GM crops will be benign too. But at the moment no-one knows if they are or not, they're just being thrown into the ecosystem so a few executives can make enormous profits.


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Re: 14 worst Corporations [Re: Alex213]
    #5303518 - 02/15/06 03:19 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Fair enough. I'm not entirely sure where I stand on GM crops. It could have very, very good benefits, but I'm a bit cynical about the benevolence of the parties involved.


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Re: 14 worst Corporations [Re: Alex213]
    #5303792 - 02/15/06 04:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

so it's bad because corporations do it and make a profit. i see.


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Re: 14 worst Corporations [Re: wilshire]
    #5305056 - 02/15/06 10:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

its all about the bottom line
stock price


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Re: 14 worst Corporations [Re: wilshire]
    #5305174 - 02/15/06 11:53 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

so it's bad because corporations do it and make a profit. i see.

Are you actually reading what I write or just listening to the voices in your head?

Read what I wrote again and this time think about it before replying.


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