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InvisibleRavus
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Spacetime Path
    #5269415 - 02/06/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I was thinking about my ancestors today (and far back enough, all of our ancestors) and it occured to me how it seems to be a straight path from the present all the way to beginning of time, for each and every one of us. The nature versus nurture debate is entirely flawed, because both "nature" and "nurture" are arbitrary distinctions. To the present, we follow the path not only we have taken, but that of our ancestors, because there was a time when we were part of the father and the mother, before unifying inside the womb of the mother and being born. Yet each of them is the same way, and their decisions ultimately led to our modern-day genetics. It's like the egos constantly rise and fall, with some early primate's ego rising as a young fighter, reproducing and giving his haploid to the female's haploid, and then dying, letting the world go to the next generation.

But the next generation was him, ironically enough. It isn't separate organisms, so much as gradual changes, the rise and fall of the genetic and biological line, as the child was, at one time, simply part of the body of the father. The only life that has died is that life whose genetic lines have ended- otherwise, they have been basically immortal, even if we can't see it in the gradual changes that come about.

We go back further to the age of the reptiles, and see different ways of living and reproduction, but still the same progress of entities, seemingly separate but actually in one straight path through space and time. We go back even further, to the very beginning of life itself, and find that everything has a common ancestor, and everything springs out from that path like veins in our body. Most paths, even the vast majority, ended and failed, either from chance encounters, mutated genetics or an unsuitable environments, but for those that continued on, it only fertilized the soil ever more. Every one of us is billions of years old, with our own individual indentations on the spacetime continuum. This is simply the latest look of a line that we have all been directly a part of, like a limb falling off and growing a new body- no matter how many times the limbs fall off, it still ultimately was the same path to the latest descendent.

We go back further, and we are still part of the spacetime path, right through the formation of the solar system, the galaxy, the creation of all elements heavier than lithium, and ultimately, the beginning of the universe itself.

I don't know that this has any relevance, but it's amazing how few people actually stop to think about the magnificence of the situation. We're not separate entities from our ancestors, and neither will we be separate entities from our descendents (assuming we survive); it's simply a matter of when we choose to look. The face may be different, but the path is the same.


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Re: Spacetime Path [Re: Ravus]
    #5269424 - 02/06/06 01:17 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

When forty winters shall besiege thy brow,
And dig deep trenches in thy beauty's field,
Thy youth's proud livery so gazed on now,
Will be a tattered weed of small worth held.
Then being asked, where all thy beauty lies,
Where all the treasure of thy lusty days,
To say within thine own deep sunken eyes,
Were an all-eating shame, and thriftless praise.
How much more praise deserved thy beauty's use,
If thou couldst answer, "This fair child of mine
Shall sum my count, and make my old excuse,"
Proving his beauty by succession thine.
This were to be new made when thou art old,
And see thy blood warm when thou feel'st it cold.

-- Shakespeare


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Re: Spacetime Path [Re: Ravus]
    #5269458 - 02/06/06 01:26 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

By the way,
Great post :thumbup:

I don't know that this has any relevance, but it's amazing how few people actually stop to think about the magnificence of the situation.

I think the few people who do contemplate this are Taoists.


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Re: Spacetime Path [Re: Ravus]
    #5269472 - 02/06/06 01:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Ravus said:
We go back further, and we are still part of the spacetime path, right through the formation of the solar system, the galaxy, the creation of all elements heavier than lithium, and ultimately, the beginning of the universe itself.




Following this line of thought, it seems that we could logically conclude that we are all still essentially composed of the nothingness out of which the Big Bang and everything thereafter came to be.


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Re: Spacetime Path [Re: it stars saddam]
    #5269894 - 02/06/06 03:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

"and in the end you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all thats imagined and all concievable.."

Open your third eye far enough and this is easily seen, rarely however does that occur today

"Our body is light, we are eternal, our body is love, we are imortal..."

we are gods, or more importantly gods mind, or perhaps gods eye?

its all the same :P

except me, i have finally broken off, AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! you may not believe me, but it doesnt really matter if you believe me, as long as i believe me enough

(I can see my thoughts)

or more directly i can access much more of my brain than most people can... ahh yes

as einstein said "Imagination is more important than intellect"

:laugh:  but i say you have to have the same amount to understand what you can do with the imagination you aquire  :P


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Re: Spacetime Path [Re: it stars saddam]
    #5270493 - 02/06/06 05:38 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Nothingness doesn't exist. :wink:


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Re: Spacetime Path [Re: Ravus]
    #5270663 - 02/06/06 06:05 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Spacetime Path [Re: Ravus]
    #5271059 - 02/06/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Ravus said:
Nothingness doesn't exist. :wink:




True.  So the spacetime path began at the precise moment that something came to be?


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