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Casing Layer Not Colonizing!
    #5269079 - 02/06/06 11:21 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

30gal and 18gal monotubs,
4 inches WBS spawned Hpoo,
5/8th inch of 50/50 peat/verm with crushed oyster and CaCO3


i cased last Monday and now a week later there are only a few small spots of myc. so slow. i know that that casing mix works, its the same one ive always used when i cant get coir.

but this time i hand shredded the peat, the stuff i get is still fairly intact, so i just made it finer. also, the verm i use pretty fine.
maybe the ingredients were too fine and made a very tight casing with little room for the myc to work through?
anyone ever had a problem with this?

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Re: Casing Layer Not Colonizing! [Re: Omnicracker]
    #5269204 - 02/06/06 12:01 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I like a little tighter casing layer myself. I make mine pretty thin (3in. subs, 3/8in. peat/verm/oyster casing) and pack it down just a little. I've got that fine verm, too, and my peat comes pretty ground up. I think it takes a few days longer to colonize and pin, but it really helps even out my pinset since my myc breaks the surface evenly across the casing layer.


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Re: Casing Layer Not Colonizing! [Re: Premedman1]
    #5269295 - 02/06/06 12:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

you're ok, just let it do its thing. It's possible you made your casing layer just a bit too thick, or had it too saturated with water.

When buying verm if you cant find the really chunky stuff look for the bags labeled horticultural grade. That grade of verm is a bit chunkier then the fine stuff and makes for a better casing.


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Re: Casing Layer Not Colonizing! [Re: coda]
    #5269629 - 02/06/06 02:17 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

What's your temperature set at?


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Re: Casing Layer Not Colonizing! [Re: Room4Shroom]
    #5270242 - 02/06/06 04:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe it's not wet enough (near saturation)? That will do it to. As long as you don't have standing water (pools) on your casing or runoff don't worry about being wet as many people don't realize just how much myc loves water and high moisture environments, really! You'll want your casings to "glisten" with moisture (optimum).


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Re: Casing Layer Not Colonizing! [Re: hyphae]
    #5270333 - 02/06/06 05:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

its plenty wet, and has been at perfect temp for a week (70ish degrees).

there are a few spots coming up around the edges, but nothing else, save for a small spot smaller than a penny. i know patience is key and all, but this is way longer than usual.

i dont know what to do from here...


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Re: Casing Layer Not Colonizing! [Re: Omnicracker]
    #5270383 - 02/06/06 05:18 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I agree that 7 days is way too long for the casing layer not to be adequately colonized. It has been my personal experience that tightly packed or finely ground casing mix suffocates the substrate and prolongs mycelium penetration.

What I do is use a good medium grade vermiculite, sphagnum peat moss thoroughly rinsed, coco coir, crushed oyster shell, and hydrated lime based on PH needs. I make sure that my casing looks aerated or fluffy to ensure air will penetrate it and reach the substrate.

One thing that I've learned is casing takes time to perfect. Spend some time using different mixtures and see what works for you.


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Re: Casing Layer Not Colonizing! [Re: Wronguy]
    #5270468 - 02/06/06 05:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

thanks.

that mix normally does work, but i normally dont shred up the peat.

should i remove the casing layer and replace it with a new batch of fluffier mix?
or maybe i can just add some more peat to the old mix and recase. damn.


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Re: Casing Layer Not Colonizing! [Re: Omnicracker]
    #5270526 - 02/06/06 05:45 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

If you do not have any pins going right now, if it were me, I would remove the casing layer, give the substrate a good 12 hour dunk, re-case with a thin 1/4" layer, and go immediately into fruiting. The dunk will negate any benefit of re-incubating after casing, as the substrate would take days to benefit from the incubating temperatures.


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Re: Casing Layer Not Colonizing! [Re: Wronguy]
    #5270646 - 02/06/06 06:01 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

about that...
how do you dunk a 30gal Monotub?
should i just weigh it down and cover with water, then drain after 12hours? i dont see an easy way to drain it either, besides just tipping it over.


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Re: Casing Layer Not Colonizing! [Re: Omnicracker]
    #5270737 - 02/06/06 06:26 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well first things first are you saying you cased and didn't incubate at all with a depth of 5/8" casing layer? That will slow things down quite a bit when using peat based casings as opposed to coir. You'd be about right timing wise at those temps. Have ya read my pinning strategy it may also help diagnose any possible problems. You shouldn't be having any problems besides your initial temps/timing, lightly patch those spots and simply have a little more patience and you'll be golden in a few more days bro. Trust me.


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Re: Casing Layer Not Colonizing! [Re: Omnicracker]
    #5270899 - 02/06/06 07:04 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Omnicracker said:
about that...
how do you dunk a 30gal Monotub? 
should i just weigh it down and cover with water, then drain after 12hours?  i dont see an easy way to drain it either, besides just tipping it over.




You simply pour water inside the tub until the substrate bobs around like a cork. Wait the 10-12 hours. When you're ready to drain, pull off the poly-fill on one of the lower holes and either drain into the toilet or in a bathtub. Keep one hand on the substrate so it doesn't fall out and that's it. A little tougher to do with the larger tubs, but I've done them that big with assistance.

By the way, Hyphae has a good point. You're already 7 days into this casing. It will take a bit longer to colonize a 5/8" casing layer. I don't necessarily agree 100% though. You already know what I would do, so the question becomes "What would Omnicracker do?".  :wink:


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Re: Casing Layer Not Colonizing! [Re: hyphae]
    #5270915 - 02/06/06 07:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

ive been incubating this whole week. since its hpoo substrate i was keeping the temps at 70-75 degrees since the hpoo is generating heat as well. or does that only apply while the actual sub. is colonizing?

should i go warmer during casing colonization?


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Re: Casing Layer Not Colonizing! [Re: Omnicracker]
    #5270981 - 02/06/06 07:18 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

"what would Omnicracker do?"
get high and kick my kitten around the house until i feel better, then maybe watch Dune.

Wronguy- the tub is lined with alum. foil, which is probably now good and stuck to the substrate, wouldnt this hinder my efforts while dunking? does that make sense... maybe i should start making crack.


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Re: Casing Layer Not Colonizing! [Re: Wronguy]
    #5271026 - 02/06/06 07:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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By the way, Hyphae has a good point. You're already 7 days into this casing. It will take a bit longer to colonize a 5/8" casing layer. I don't necessarily agree 100% though. You already know what I would do, so the question becomes "What would Omnicracker do?".  :wink:



Especially at 70ish degrees :wink:


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Re: Casing Layer Not Colonizing! [Re: hyphae]
    #5281087 - 02/09/06 09:35 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

a little update:

its now 10 days since i first cased. on my 18gal a few other spots of myc. broke through, and the 30ga didnt really change at all. i noticed knotting last night... i just pulled the 18gal out of the black bag to start fruiting, we'll see how well it does.
i opened the 30gal and scraped away all the uncolonized casing, which was most of it, and its being exposed to light and FAE as well.

once again i will fail to get a decent pinset. someday ill get it right.


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