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Is meditation for real? 1
#5269030 - 02/06/06 11:09 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Whenever I try to mediatate nothing happens I don't reach no higher level of consciousness but I do reach a higher level of boredom. What is supposed to happen when you meditate?
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: Jackattack]
#5269061 - 02/06/06 11:17 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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nothing.... literally. It's just to calm your mind so you think a bit clearer.... you probably won't get any weird "highs".... it helps one to learn intense focus when practiced properly. ....it also takes a lot of patience. Just go 15 minutes max at a time when you start out. It's hard to go much longer than that without losing focus completely. The mind does tend to wander.... meditation is the leash, kinda.
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: Jackattack] 1
#5269093 - 02/06/06 11:25 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nothing is supposed to happen to you.
Ok... In most people's heads, at any given time there are dozens of thoughts flying around for no real good reason; they tend to just clutter your mind. When you sit and focus on gently letting go of every thought that pops up in your head, after not too long, they won't pop up as often and your mind will be less focused on your thoughts and more on what is around you. When you learn to meditate, you learn that there is a level of awareness beyond and between these thoughts, where the mind is clear and relaxed. It helps to clear out the cobwebs by increasing and cultivating awareness in this way.
There are good resources on the web for meditation techniques. It isn't really something that can be understood until you get the hang of it. There are many forms of meditation, and they all take practice.
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: mediman0078]
#5269129 - 02/06/06 11:37 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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mediman0078 said: it helps one to learn intense focus when practiced properly. The mind does tend to wander....
the whole point in meditation is to not focus, it's to completely clear the mind, if it required concentration then you're mind is not clear, at the point that you reach the clarity of mind, you will feel something, it sometimes helps to let your mind wander to achieve your goal to not conciously think a single thought.
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: Jackattack] 1
#5269131 - 02/06/06 11:37 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Concentrate on the part of your brain that is sending "boredom" signals to you. Endure it and don't get swept away. Stay focused on the task at hand. Continue enduring these signals each time your brain sends these habit energy boredom signals to you. Eventually these habit energies will lose much of their control and you will gain greater control over your brain, which will make you feel good.
I need to start mediating more, myself. I've really gotten out of the habit lately.
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: Learyfan]
#5269146 - 02/06/06 11:42 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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mediman0078 said: without losing focus
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CyberChump said: When you sit and focus mind is clear and relaxed.
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Learyfan said: Concentrate Stay focused
how will your mind be clear if you are concentrating on remaining focused?
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#5269193 - 02/06/06 11:58 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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There are focusing meditations done in renzai zen schools... the concentration is on 1 single object which is to fill the entire mind. Many times this is just a candle flame, but it can be just about anything.
I always felt more focused afterward....
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#5269213 - 02/06/06 12:04 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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mediman0078 said: it helps one to learn intense focus when practiced properly. The mind does tend to wander....
the whole point in meditation is to not focus, it's to completely clear the mind, if it required concentration then you're mind is not clear, at the point that you reach the clarity of mind, you will feel something, it sometimes helps to let your mind wander to achieve your goal to not conciously think a single thought.
meditation is about intense focus. eventually through practice you might achieve the same level without focusing, but if you tell someone that is new to meditation to not focus, they will probably never get anything out of it. ive been meditating for about 3 months now, and i still have to intensly focus to keep my mind from wondering. but the longer i meditate, the less i focus and the more i enjoy the state im in. but i could never reach this stage without focusing.
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: bobjones]
#5269222 - 02/06/06 12:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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It is a bit of a paradox... you must concentrate on not concentrating, release and relax.... eventually it doesn't take that concentration, your mind just knows it's time to shut up and does so.
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: bobjones]
#5269243 - 02/06/06 12:16 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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bobjones said: meditation is about intense focus.
I guess this is why most that meditate have not felt anything...
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: mediman0078]
#5269252 - 02/06/06 12:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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mediman0078 said: you must concentrate on not concentrating, release and relax....
release is right, relax is also right, you cant do that if you're trying to concentrate
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: Jackattack]
#5269365 - 02/06/06 12:55 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Jackattack said: Whenever I try to mediatate nothing happens I don't reach no higher level of consciousness but I do reach a higher level of boredom. What is supposed to happen when you meditate?
Whenever I try to ride a bike, nothing happens I don't get around faster, I just fall on my face.
Like riding a bike, meditation is a skill you have to learn, and to succeed you have to put in a lot of work. The best thing to focus on is your breath. Either the air entering and leaving your nostrils, or the rising and falling of your stomach. Don't fight ideas, just let them go. Boredom is just an idea like all the others.
It may take a couple of months, it may take a year of regular practice before any real changes in your mind take place. Only when your thoughts have settled down, you begin "real" meditation and you can get into different states of mind. The first time this happens you will think "what's that?" or "finally something is happening!" and it's gone but after that happens a couple of times, you'll manage to stay in that consciousness longer and longer.
What it is like? I can only speak for my own experience:
I practice zazen (soto zen) in which the concentration is on your posture and on your outbreath. Zazen is practiced with eyes open. While concentrating on my breath, I start to get green and purple clouds in my vision, these get more and more intense with every long and slow outbreath. After 10-30minutes, depending on how calm my mind was when going in, slowly the clouds pull away and my vision gets very clear. The room seems very bright and I feel completely happy. I believe this corresponds to the first Jhana, and is the lowest "higher" state of consciousness, still in the body but filled with joy and highly focused. This is also where my knowledge ends as I have been meditating for less than two years, and this is the deepest I have managed to go in.
Wikipedia has some information on the deeper states that are supposed to exist. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jhana
Instructions for zazen in the soto tradition: http://www.sotozen-net.or.jp/kokusai/howtodozazen01.htm
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: Jackattack]
#5269393 - 02/06/06 01:04 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I copied this from another site and thought I'd post it here.
Meditation is one of those techniques that you will probably use all of your natural life. In fact, you've probably meditated without even realizing it! Meditation is the art of concentration.
Concentrate on one thing, and let everything else fall away. Breathing, sitting, standing, walking; an issue, an idea, an image ... you can meditate on anything.
~Here is a basic method~
Sit or lie down in a relaxed position. Begin breathing naturally. You'll probably find your chest rising and falling. Instead, try to shift this to your stomach. Let your stomach rise and fall; this is how you used to breath when you were very young. It is very natural.
Focus on the breathing. The sensation of in and out. When you exhale, feel the breath dissolve, and notice how your immediate instinct afterwards is to inhale. Do not force your breath. Relax. Smile.
Be aware of your breath. Thoughts will rise up in your mind. Do not push them down, just let them float by. They are thoughts, that is all. Regard them as a bubble on a swiftly-flowing river. Let them go. Return to your breathing.
Don't do anything else. Just let go. Just for a moment.
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: Jackattack]
#5269465 - 02/06/06 01:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Jackattack said: I don't reach no higher level of consciousness
my son, before you can fully appreciate the higher levels of consciousness, you must first pass the fourth grade.
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: mediman0078]
#5269530 - 02/06/06 01:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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mediman0078 said: nothing.... literally. It's just to calm your mind so you think a bit clearer.... you probably won't get any weird "highs"....
I've experienced profoundly altered states of consciousness after 3-4 hours of formal zazen... not quite as common as losing feeling in my ankles and feet, but definitely it has happened. open-eyed visual hallucinations, synaesthesia, you name it.... in japanese it's called "makyo" or "maikyo".
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: lukeboots]
#5269539 - 02/06/06 01:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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jonnywax said:
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Jackattack said: I don't reach no higher level of consciousness
my son, before you can fully appreciate the higher levels of consciousness, you must first pass the fourth grade.
but yo check it, he be wantin mad enlightenment dawg. yo ain't nobody need no schoolin for that anyhow.
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#5269570 - 02/06/06 01:59 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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mediman0078 said: you must concentrate on not concentrating, release and relax....
release is right, relax is also right, you cant do that if you're trying to concentrate
you have to concentrate on realeasing and relaxing. its hard to understand until you do it, although i dont think relaxing would be the right word.
its mainly concentrating on controlling random thoughts, thus learning to quiet those random thoughts when you need to concentrate.
although medicating is taught in different ways. one way is to concentrate hard to get rid of or silence these random thoughts. another is to actually let your mind wander and then for each thought you concentrate on it and eventually your mind can work out any issues it has with the given thought. you then push it asside and move on to the next, unil you have worked out all your major and minor dilemmas in your mind, and then have less mental distractions. another is to concentrate on one thing and quiet all other random thoughts. this thing youre concentrating on can be anything from an object (an image of it in your mind) or what i was told, and really like, a blue light starting at your tail bone, and going up your spine as you breath in, the light reching the back of your head where your spine ends and then your third eye opening and the blue light beaming out. then ypou begin to breath out in which you invision the third eye closing and the blue light travelling down your spine.
now, this is what ive heard, i could be well wrong since i dont actually read up on this stuff... (i got all this info from my dad back when he would do it...). the few times i actually tried, i did the blue light one, and by the third attempt, i could feel a tingling on my forhead where i had invisioned the third eye. but that was freakin years ago.
so, the main thing is to get rid of subsidairy thoughts, no matter the method.
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: eligal]
#5269643 - 02/06/06 02:19 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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No loss no gain. If you lose your thoughts, you gain wisdom, but achieving tranquility is not so easy, as it takes a strong will to depart from our postnatal acquired notions.
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#5269802 - 02/06/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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meditation is ALL about focus.
It takes focus to concentrate on nothing. But no one can concetrate on nothing, and if you can... congratulations.. you're a zen master.
moreso to me, meditation is more about training your mind to quiet down, and just passively observing the flow that is. The very simple act of meditation is a lesson in concentration. The basic thought behind it is, that if you control your thoughts, you control your actions.. and thus.. everything about your life that is within your control. meditation is simply a tool that gives you a chance anytime, to learn how to better control your thoughts. It's a bit of a paradox, meditation is... in that you are concentrating on releasing, but not.. good for mental discipline.
What has always helped for me in maintaining this focus, is to set my mind on one thing. Many times I have attempted to just "let go" and go into "nothingness".... but that has almost always resulted in my mind wandering out of control, subconscious thoughts going all over the place. My default protocol is to concentrate on my breathing. Breathing is something very real, a part of our daily existance.. and something we are not very often consciously aware of. Most people breathe too shallow, or off-rhythm, we learn to breathe this unnatural way at birth, by the harsh way we enter the world. Meditation is a good time to focus on your breathing, and control it. Let your breathing be your whole existance, focus on nothing but that. In, out pause. Very deep, steady, slow, and natural. Into the depths of your lungs.. so that your stomach is expanding more than your chest. Take your time, you're not in any rush. The cycle of breath is enough to focus on to keep you occupied for an eternity, if you are determined.
Someone mentioned a candle flame. This too is amazing and works wonders. As with the breathing.. (you should always be aware of your breathing... this is an essential part of meditation) .. meditation on the candle flame is similar. Observe the flame, be the flame. Watch it flicker, and let it consume your entire thought process. Nothing but the flame, and your breathing.
Everyone will have natural thoughts, cycling through their heads. This is a natural part of being a human. You will not be able to completely control all your thoughts overnight. The key here, is that when these thoughts come... to not personally engage in them and take them off into different directions... you are only the detached, passive observer. Observe this cycle of thoughts passing through your head as though you are watching clouds in the sky passing by. Nothing to do with you, really. Just associations of the ego..
Boredom is a defense mechanism of the ego. If you want to go anywhere with it, you need to take it more seriously. Or less seriously.. whichever seems more apt. In my experience, boredom leads to destruction. And it's kind of hard to be bored, when the universe is inside your head, and you are in control. So that's something to shoot for. Not being bored, when there is nothing, or close to nothing. I'm satisfied that I could keep myself entertained for a billion years if need be.. but I need human interaction from time to time.
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism said: meditation is ALL about focus.
It takes focus to concentrate on nothing.
Exactly!
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: Learyfan]
#5270194 - 02/06/06 04:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I find that if i lay down and listen to something loud like pantera's live 101 cd at full volume with headphones on i can reach some trance like moments in my life. the music is so loud that it downs out the thoughts in my head. so my brain can breath some freash air.
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: Learyfan]
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I have a problem sitting indian style or in the lotus position.My feet always fall asleep.Is there anyway to train your body parts not to fall asleep?Am I sitting improperly?.Or could it be my posture or what I am sitting on?
Can anyone help with my horrible blood circulation in my legs and feet while meditating.
Maybe I need to meditate on blood circulation in my lower body.Maybe I shouldnt focus on my feet falling asleep while meditating.But it is very hard to concentrate while your toes are freezing and your l;egs and feet are tingling.
Any ideas?
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: Learyfan]
#5270464 - 02/06/06 05:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: meditation is ALL about focus.
It takes focus to concentrate on nothing.
Exactly!
ah yes, thats what i was trying to say
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism said: meditation is ALL about focus.
It takes focus to concentrate on nothing. But no one can concetrate on nothing, and if you can... congratulations.. you're a zen master.
maybe it just comes easily to me but I have no problem clearing my mind, I sit a few moments and I'm blank, for me it;s like a state of deep sleep in which I can feel, hear, smell and see but the senses dont feel like they're mine, when I return I feel euphoric, there is no concentration or focus involved
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Get a zafu and some support cushions. You can buy them here. Possibly over-priced? It's a family business and they supply a Zen center near where I live. There's a number of lotus positions outside the full lotus, find one that works for you.
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: bobjones] 1
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It should also be noted that meditation, being an act of inner concentration, can be practiced virtually anytime, anywhere.. as it is really only a focused state of mind. We have many states of mind, that we go through every day. These are generally categorized as brainwaves.. from the delta vibrations of deep sleep to the visual theta between sleep and consciousness.. to the beta of external stimuli and logic.. to the alpha waves of relaxation, day dreaming and self introspection. Deep states of meditation are a combination of alpha waves and theta waves.. and learning to control your states of mind can never hurt.
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: Shroomism]
#5270578 - 02/06/06 05:53 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: It should also be noted that meditation, can be practiced virtually anytime, anywhere..
I agree, just dont try it while operating power tools or machinery
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#5270589 - 02/06/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I thought that was a given
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: Jackattack]
#5270607 - 02/06/06 05:56 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I find that group meditation works better than individual meditation, as you feed off the collective energy of the group, helping you reach a deeper state of consciousness.
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: Silversoul]
#5270626 - 02/06/06 05:58 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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aNeway2sayHooray, try a meditation bench... they prop your weight up off your legs... kinda like a kneeling postion. They are tilted slightly foward to help you keep your back straight. Some soto schools keep these around in case you don't want to use a traditional mat.
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: Silversoul]
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Paradigm said: I find that group meditation works better than individual meditation, as you feed off the collective energy of the group, helping you reach a deeper state of consciousness.
I agree... I tend to commit more to the experience when others as dedicated to it are near.
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: mediman0078]
#5270650 - 02/06/06 06:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks for the suggestions.
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: Shroomism]
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: Jackattack]
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>> What is supposed to happen when you meditate?
>> I have a problem sitting indian style or in the lotus position.My feet always fall asleep.Is there anyway to train your body parts not to fall asleep
It's difficult for things to happen in meditation when you are looking for or expecting things to happen. Just keep doing it. Eventually the mind will open, and eventually you will find a comfortable posture.
I didn't try sitting full lotus right away. I started with my left leg infront of my right. When that became comfortable, I moved my left leg in to the half lotus position. After about a year, I was able to sit in the full lotus position without difficulty in my legs. It took another year to sort out all the problems with my pelvis and back. It's perfectly normal for meditation to be both physically and mentally uncomfortable in the beginning.
A lot of the physical discomfort has to do with the pelvis. The way the pelvis is situated can affect how much of your body's weight sits on the legs, and how much sits on the spine. What you're aiming for is a balance between these. All of your weight should be centred straight down in to your coushin, as though you had extended a root in to the ground. If your pelvis is rolled too far back, your back will arch outward and you'll slump over, putting all your weight on your knees and ankles. If your pelvis is rolled too far forward, your back will arch inward, and you'll have to keep a tense back to fight the tendency to fall backward.
Another great tip is on finding your centre of gravity. Once you've found a good posture, gently tip your body forward, then backward, then forward again, slowly reducing the length of these movements until the body settles on it's own centre of gravity. This can also be done side to side. It feels almost as though a pivot exists in your chest, and as you move you can feel this pivot taking on different loads in different proportions. It's a neat feeling once you find it, and it can be a great guide to finding the best posture.
Just try to sit comfortably. When you move to find a posture, don't think about it too much. Don't pressure yourself. Allow your body to find a comfortable position. If you force anything with meditation, physically or mentally, you will definitely run in to problems. It might even be helpful to use a chair in the beginning. What matters is finding a position that best allows you to concentrate and clear your mind of it's usual clutter. As you succeed with this, your posture will become more and more refined, more natural, and more conducive to your practise of meditation.
Above all, don't expect great results right away, either with your body or your mind. Meditation is about creating causes, not experiencing effects. The more patience you can develop toward your meditation practise now, the more benefit you will experience in the future.
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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The quick answer is no. Meditation is not for real. It's entirely psychosomatic. People apparently involved in "deep meditation" are only doing so in their minds.
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: Mitchnast]
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>> People apparently involved in "deep meditation" are only doing so in their minds.
Sounds like every other aspect of our waking experience.
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: Jackattack]
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the best definition of meditation that I have heard was : it is the opposite of concentration.
The first part to it, that I have found, is to stop analyzing everything.... we have done it for so long, because it was an integral part of infancy and being a 4 year old... but we need to break that first.... also, Carlos was basically talking about the same thing when he wrote "stopping internal dialogue".
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You have to meditate every day for months before you reach any higher states of consiousness. To reach a state such as dyana where you loose your ego could take years. Aleister Crowleys book 4 or 8 limbs of yoga is a good manual for the undertaking.
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: Ped]
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Ped said: >> What is supposed to happen when you meditate?
>> I have a problem sitting indian style or in the lotus position.My feet always fall asleep.Is there anyway to train your body parts not to fall asleep
It's difficult for things to happen in meditation when you are looking for or expecting things to happen. Just keep doing it. Eventually the mind will open, and eventually you will find a comfortable posture.
I didn't try sitting full lotus right away. I started with my left leg infront of my right. When that became comfortable, I moved my left leg in to the half lotus position. After about a year, I was able to sit in the full lotus position without difficulty in my legs. It took another year to sort out all the problems with my pelvis and back. It's perfectly normal for meditation to be both physically and mentally uncomfortable in the beginning.
A lot of the physical discomfort has to do with the pelvis. The way the pelvis is situated can affect how much of your body's weight sits on the legs, and how much sits on the spine. What you're aiming for is a balance between these. All of your weight should be centred straight down in to your coushin, as though you had extended a root in to the ground. If your pelvis is rolled too far back, your back will arch outward and you'll slump over, putting all your weight on your knees and ankles. If your pelvis is rolled too far forward, your back will arch inward, and you'll have to keep a tense back to fight the tendency to fall backward.
Another great tip is on finding your centre of gravity. Once you've found a good posture, gently tip your body forward, then backward, then forward again, slowly reducing the length of these movements until the body settles on it's own centre of gravity. This can also be done side to side. It feels almost as though a pivot exists in your chest, and as you move you can feel this pivot taking on different loads in different proportions. It's a neat feeling once you find it, and it can be a great guide to finding the best posture.
Just try to sit comfortably. When you move to find a posture, don't think about it too much. Don't pressure yourself. Allow your body to find a comfortable position. If you force anything with meditation, physically or mentally, you will definitely run in to problems. It might even be helpful to use a chair in the beginning. What matters is finding a position that best allows you to concentrate and clear your mind of it's usual clutter. As you succeed with this, your posture will become more and more refined, more natural, and more conducive to your practise of meditation.
Above all, don't expect great results right away, either with your body or your mind. Meditation is about creating causes, not experiencing effects. The more patience you can develop toward your meditation practise now, the more benefit you will experience in the future.
with the sitting thing, i know a lady who doesnt bother with the legs crossed shit. she sits in a lazy-boy or even laying down and meditates. techincally meditation is a mental activity, so how your body is positioned should be to important (as long as you dont cut off circulation or something bad for your back etc...) so why does everyone do it with the legs crossed? im not sure. lol. but i have the feeling its because, it was started in asia, where everyone sits like that! they dont have rocking chairs... they basically just sat down and did their mental excercises. so why do westerners sit like that as well? because they learned it from asians or from asian pictures and so they sat the way the asians did, thinking it had something to do with posture...
meditate in a position you can feel comfortable in for long periods of time is my thoughts.
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: eligal]
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eligal said:
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Ped said: >> What is supposed to happen when you meditate?
>> I have a problem sitting indian style or in the lotus position.My feet always fall asleep.Is there anyway to train your body parts not to fall asleep
It's difficult for things to happen in meditation when you are looking for or expecting things to happen. Just keep doing it. Eventually the mind will open, and eventually you will find a comfortable posture.
I didn't try sitting full lotus right away. I started with my left leg infront of my right. When that became comfortable, I moved my left leg in to the half lotus position. After about a year, I was able to sit in the full lotus position without difficulty in my legs. It took another year to sort out all the problems with my pelvis and back. It's perfectly normal for meditation to be both physically and mentally uncomfortable in the beginning.
A lot of the physical discomfort has to do with the pelvis. The way the pelvis is situated can affect how much of your body's weight sits on the legs, and how much sits on the spine. What you're aiming for is a balance between these. All of your weight should be centred straight down in to your coushin, as though you had extended a root in to the ground. If your pelvis is rolled too far back, your back will arch outward and you'll slump over, putting all your weight on your knees and ankles. If your pelvis is rolled too far forward, your back will arch inward, and you'll have to keep a tense back to fight the tendency to fall backward.
Another great tip is on finding your centre of gravity. Once you've found a good posture, gently tip your body forward, then backward, then forward again, slowly reducing the length of these movements until the body settles on it's own centre of gravity. This can also be done side to side. It feels almost as though a pivot exists in your chest, and as you move you can feel this pivot taking on different loads in different proportions. It's a neat feeling once you find it, and it can be a great guide to finding the best posture.
Just try to sit comfortably. When you move to find a posture, don't think about it too much. Don't pressure yourself. Allow your body to find a comfortable position. If you force anything with meditation, physically or mentally, you will definitely run in to problems. It might even be helpful to use a chair in the beginning. What matters is finding a position that best allows you to concentrate and clear your mind of it's usual clutter. As you succeed with this, your posture will become more and more refined, more natural, and more conducive to your practise of meditation.
Above all, don't expect great results right away, either with your body or your mind. Meditation is about creating causes, not experiencing effects. The more patience you can develop toward your meditation practise now, the more benefit you will experience in the future.
with the sitting thing, i know a lady who doesnt bother with the legs crossed shit. she sits in a lazy-boy or even laying down and meditates. techincally meditation is a mental activity, so how your body is positioned should be to important (as long as you dont cut off circulation or something bad for your back etc...) so why does everyone do it with the legs crossed? im not sure. lol. but i have the feeling its because, it was started in asia, where everyone sits like that! they dont have rocking chairs... they basically just sat down and did their mental excercises. so why do westerners sit like that as well? because they learned it from asians or from asian pictures and so they sat the way the asians did, thinking it had something to do with posture...
meditate in a position you can feel comfortable in for long periods of time is my thoughts.
There is something to the idea of a perfect balance. You can explore the concept of balance deeply - to an infinite extent. This balance will help you acheive a greater sense of power to fight against gravity + energize yourself for an extreme sense of relaxation. I find that opening up my chakras is all about this balance. And it's a very tangible effect.
I was meditating 2 days ago and my dog distracted me by barking at a mongoose. It sucked because I had to get up and help her back up onto the ledge we were on because she was choking herself after jumping off. So I sit back down and I'm bummed out because I lost the balance I was working for for about a half hour. So I just sat in a meditative position, not worrying so much about a perfect balance and just relaxing while shifting sand through my hand and hearing the waves crash and seeing the nature around me. After about 45 minutes, it felt like something turned back on and I felt the energy to seek a balance again. So I'm doing that for a short while when all of the sudden I feel a deep connection within myself.. one of those moments where you just shoot into an extreme awareness and you're able to look out at everything all at once and see it all and feel it all without any thought - just perfect perception. This is the state I always strive for. But in this case something happened that never happened to me before. I started to breath very deeply and I felt a rush of energy all throughout my body. I was kindof swaying left and right and just breathing, while experiencing a euphoric state. I was thinking about thoughts of self realization like.. this is what life is. I'm so glad to finally feel like this again. etc etc. I just felt like I was kindof turned off after being lazy for a while. But this experience turned me back on all the way. For a minute or so, I was experiencing this awesome moment, feeling my whole body come alive and being amazed by it all.
It was really cool. It's actually the same exact feeling that I had when I was on shrooms experiencing a perfect euphoria because I thought I was in a goo of reality having sex with everyone. It's like breathing when you are feeling so happy that you could laugh or cry or scream or anything.
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: The_Hobbit]
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>> techincally meditation is a mental activity, so how your body is positioned shouldn't be too important
Certain postures are much more condusive to developing concentration than others. If the aim of your meditation is to achieve of a kind of dazed, relaxed state, then I suppose a La-Z-Boy or a bed might be a good place for that practise. If the aim of meditation is to develop one's inner qualities, or to deepen one's connection with reality, it is helpful to have a posture that contributes to an alert mind. The full lotus position is, in my opinion, the best posture for this aim.
Once you have experience with meditation you'll find that even small things like the placement of the hands can have a tremendous impact on the quality of your meditative state.
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: Jackattack]
#5273306 - 02/07/06 12:38 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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get a didgeridoo... they help if you get bored...
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: AliceDee]
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really all you have to do is breathe consciously, in and out, deep at first to get a feel for it then just let your breathe guide you while you stay in it.
if you do this for 30 minutes a day, you might get bored, but you're disciplining your mind.
the breath (and the heartbeat) is a middleman between the conscious and unconscious, you can use the breath to ride into and out of any altered state conceivable to man.
if you just practice conscious breathing, while trying to let go of distractions and paying attention to your body, and whatnot.....
you will sooner or later find a clear mind state, or feel "high", etc, etc.
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: Jackattack]
#5274219 - 02/07/06 05:18 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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"You need not do anything. Remain sitting at your table and wait. You need not even wait. Just listen. You need not even listen. Just learn to become quiet and still and solitary. And the world will freely offer itself to you to be unmasked. It has no choice. It will roll in ectasy at your feet."
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I don't konow bout' err body else on this forum , and I don't judge either, but when I Meditate I LISTEN to GOD, and HE SPEAKS BACK. THATS what MEDITATION IS. Then I get ALL DAZED AND CONFUSED Yea it's GREAT!!! PEACE & LOVE
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And I do not agree with most modern churches, but I do believe in exercising Religion. God is in everything around us.Peace
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: Learyfan] 1
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sorry, mind zwiRL (editing)
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Shroomism said: meditation is ALL about focus.
It takes focus to concentrate on nothing.
Exactly!


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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: Jackattack]
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It's a long exercice,be patient
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: champimagik]
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i never mediatate i lose stress for relaxedation
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: Agarico] 3
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It's both focus and defocus. To become single-minded, and then to use dhyana, or the defocussing of mind outward from that single-pointedness, while remaining calm, is just about the greatest feeling of unity.
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The process of meditation lends itself to the facilitation of greater refinement of one's perceptual awareness interfacing, awareness of the aspect of one's innate metaphysicality and a greater degree of connectivity & receptivity to one's higher density energetic essence.
It allows for the recognizance of the machinations which are the foundation for one's beingness and comprehension of the capacities and functionalities which blueprint one's existential networking grid; to dismantle the preconceived notions of what attributes define one's nature and the manner in which one's consciousness interfaces with the existential nexus one is embedded in and provide leeway into less distorted vistas of awareness of one's environmental experience emerges once entheofocus & theoawareness achieve activation as primary paradigmatic programming components in one's baseline perception as an experiential node along one's personal evolutionary trajectory through existence.
Meditation is the key shuttle to states of being informed by intimate knowledge of the composition of the interconnecting facets of one's consciousness.
I'd also like to share an older writing of mine that I intuit might be benefactorial to your entheonautical/psychonautical pilgrimage:
One of the most important and powerful faculties inherent in the consciousness of Man is that of attention, which gains its empowering fuel and attains streamlining of focus from the disciplined configuration of intention.
By the proper attuning of one's volition via the milestone discovery and subsequent incessant assurance that the primary guiding motivations responsible for the informed commandeering and navigation of one's perceptual awareness through the sea of consciousness remains in proper alignment and accordance with one's moral values, centralizing belief system, core psychological distortions and the predominate governing philosophical infrastructure comprised of and stemming from the collective interconnected accumulated amalgamation of all factors working in tandem and the resultant overall coordination thereof, one can then rest in the certainty that what will emerge from then on from the existential continuum which the perceptual awareness is interfaced within will be manifestations imbued with supreme significance, where, just beneath the surface of mundane circumstances lay messages of extreme spiritual guidance, where at the heart of every single scenario playing out in absolutely any environment one passes through the purest degree of holy communion and providence shines through, with even the most seemingly trivial of experiences being transformed into that of divine profundity.
When one effectuates the refinement of the very meaning that one projects upon every nuance perceived and brings the manner of the application of definitions to a state which recognizes a sense of innate spiritual purity structuring the conceptual emergence of each situation, the notion that all factors present in every experiential read-out encompasses, to various levels of intensity in both meaning and urgency of attention and direction, direct messages being relayed to the conscious aspect of being from the control panel of One's subconscionsness, from the omnidimensional metaphysical source module to the physical bio-vehicle utilized by the consciousness, to the human arena of existence in all aspects of its multifaceted infrastructure from the divine domain.
Optimal stabilization between each of the various ornamental persona grid factors (emotion, belief, perspective, sensory input, memory, perceptual processing, essentially one's entire psychological make-up and overall existential database composing one's intertwining sense of reality and beingness and their means and modes of relating) responsible for one's existential network programming is summarily propelled to anchorage points jettisoned to and by quickening points of enthroned accession.
Once it is conceptually relayed to the deepest levels of one's psychospiritual disposition and perceptual filtering with an overarching emotional comprehension of fierce conviction, and it is understood not only from the intellectual standpoint of mind but, more importantly, is ardently conceptually processed emotionally, that your sphere of awareness, one's field of consciousness, the seamless interplay between the senses, the sensory input, the external convening of outwards perceptual mobility via the implementation of the material bio-vehicle, the vast inner sensorium assembled by the seemingly limitless range of invisible forces forged, synthesized and rearranged within the mind chamber with roots which extend deep down into a basically bottomless well of being, the infinite rabbit hole of one's underlying essence, translates to boundless profundity, a new lens with which to perceive "the world" arises; though simple it may appear to be, your moment-to-moment sightful perception, which oftentimes gets taken for granted, the systematic waltz between the characteristics which you attribute to your definition of "you" and the stage of "life" playing out in your visual field as the physically-based senses of touch, taste, smell, and hearing as well as the extra psychically-oriented modalities sublimely bleedthrough and are pooled into the permeating, overarching category of sight which acts as the predominate determining mainstay of the nexus of reality which the fulcrum of incarnated being is formulated of and within is nothing less than the extension and manifestation of a transcendental agency.
In essence, your very process of observation of reality is direct evidence of a divine process, mapping out Its evolutionary blueprint over an infinite multitude of experiential nodes, branching out in a vast imperial exploration of as of yet unmanifest frontiers becoming familiar territories, furthering Its psychical and metaontological dominion over all emergent bioscapes and potential beings.
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 fascinating stuff, though I like to allow for the possibility of also having absolutely no idea of what's going on, and knowing absolutely nothing, so as to avoid any delusions! God does everything, put that in the middle and keep on truckin'!!!
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: Jackattack]
#22973025 - 03/04/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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There's a man named Lionel who can help you find what you need. He also gives away free power crystals. Send him a message here:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/sendprivate.php?Cat=&User=167878
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Re: Is meditation for real? [Re: John Nada]
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I can vouch for his power crystals. My life....particularly my sex life has dramatically improved since I began collecting those crystals.
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I hav been meditaitng for 2-3 years now and it is a really good tool. It hasn't made me a different person but be patient. It took about 20-50 minutes for 2 months at least to get anywhere. Patience and maybe get a good teacher. Use guided meditations and really give it your fullest
Don't do it high. Don't be hungover. Come to your meditation mat in the freshest possible mindstate for 30-60 minutes daily and be patient and consistent
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